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Tyrone's system is the exact same as Down's, the prize for winning the league and championship is the same you move up to the next tier of football. Perhaps if Tyrone structure was the same as Kerry's we'd have more winners of the All Ireland series, as our level of club football is every bit as high as kerry's as Sunday proved. We would struggle to compete in div 1 in Tyrone and would take a few hidings along the way so it's surprising to see Glenbeigh Glencar cope in senior league in Kerry. I genuinely believe we were every bit as good a team as those boys there was nothing it, I'll say little about the ref as how we had 3 men sent off I am still struggling to fathom, we were physical yes dirty no. rockman1 (Tyrone) - Posts: 6 - 21/02/2017 14:21:35 1959168 Link 0 |
Agreed. In Kerry, traditionally in yesteryear it would be very difficult for county managers to view every Junior and intermediate team play. However, with the divisional system, any player from any club can have a chance to play senior and have the opportunity to be in the shop window for wantvof a better phrase. Players like Pat Spillane and Mick O'Connell would never have played senior championship if it was not for divisions, and may have never graced the county game. Imagine how many top players may have been missed in your own counties down the years that wouldn't have in a divisional system. BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 21/02/2017 14:33:44 1959171 Link 0 |
Certainly a major reason in the success of their teams in the All-Ireland junior club anyway, especially as it seems it is Junior Premier winners not Junior winners that represent them in the interprovincial and All-Ireland series. Feel sorry for the genuine small junior clubs in Kerry to be honest.
benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 21/02/2017 14:35:38 1959174 Link 1 |
Down here county players play only 2 or 3 county league games while they will play all championship games - both county and district board. So in Glenbeigh's case they were only missing Darren while Dr. Crokes or Legion could have been missing 3 or 4 players on a given weekend. What do you mean by Senior League?? - maybe I missed it. countyBounds (Kerry) - Posts: 5 - 21/02/2017 14:43:18 1959178 Link 0 |
They only brought in the 'Junior Premier' designation lately, before that it was 'junior' and 'novice' championships/clubs now its 'junior premier' and 'junior'.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 21/02/2017 14:47:56 1959179 Link 0 |
They were renamed 2 or 3 years ago previously Senior, Intermediate, Junior, Novice
countyBounds (Kerry) - Posts: 5 - 21/02/2017 14:49:43 1959180 Link 0 |
By Senior league, I am referring in Division 1 which is what we call it at home. Ulster football is the same across the board, if you play Division 1 league your play Senior championship etc. I am not doubting kerry club football is very good, I'm just suggesting if someone like an Edendork/Eglish/Greencastle who are lower level Division 1 in tyrone teams they would certainly think of themselves as too strong to compete in the all ireland junior series. Then again Cookstown Div 2 team at the time, were much too strong for Finuge in the intermediate final that night looked fairly comfortable and Spa when they played and as far as I am aware both teams played their league football in Div 1 at the time. rockman1 (Tyrone) - Posts: 6 - 21/02/2017 15:09:15 1959186 Link 0 |
Hermit, as a matter of interest, how many Junior football club All-Irelands have Kerry won?
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 21/02/2017 15:14:41 1959190 Link 0 |
It's the same in Laois, Offaly, Kildare - your league division has no bearing on what championship you play in. Heraf (Laois) - Posts: 316 - 21/02/2017 15:17:23 1959191 Link 0 |
I watched the Junior Club final on Sunday and then watched the Intermediate Club final. The difference in skill level and strength was glaring. There was only one stand out player in the Junior game and that was the midfielder Griffin. Pure junior football. The Inter game was excellent football.
Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 749 - 21/02/2017 15:27:56 1959196 Link 0 |
Yes if rock got promoted to div 1 they would be senior team . It is wrong system in Kerry
Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 21/02/2017 15:29:50 1959197 Link 0 |
The league isn't necessarily meaningless because if you win the league in Kerry and a divisional team wins county championship then the league winners represent Kerry in the Munster and allireland senior club championship .
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 21/02/2017 15:30:18 1959198 Link 0 |
How many of theae winners have been senior teams ?? Wht is a senior team proving having beat dr crokes in the league had they not the bottle to face them in champinship qhat next will ucd drop down to the hogan cup !! Fair play to the rock and i have very little love for the rock but hats off
hoopman (Tyrone) - Posts: 105 - 21/02/2017 15:35:24 1959202 Link 0 |
In 15 seasons, Kerry clubs have won 8 and appeared in 10 finals.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 21/02/2017 15:38:55 1959204 Link 0 |
Surely then the ;league is completely irrelevant in Kerry? I thought someone above said they take it deadly serious. How can you if county players only play 3 games? This issue crops up all the time and was the same a few years ago. It definitely doesn't seem to be alevel playing field. redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 21/02/2017 15:42:09 1959207 Link 0 |
Thats the way the DOWN league is set up i think its v simple to run and understand,
Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 706 - 21/02/2017 15:43:27 1959209 Link 0 |
I think all leagues in ulster our the same all teams in div 1 enter senior championship, div 2 inter and div3 junior championship, i didn't relise other counties have teams in div 3 playing in there senior championship i find this weird sure if there playing junior teams why our they playing in the senior championship? who decided that? Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 706 - 21/02/2017 15:54:13 1959214 Link 0 |
So Glenbeigh/Glencar winning the junior is kinda like say, Offaly Senior hurlers winning the Lory Meagher? Fair play to them all the same. Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12121 - 21/02/2017 15:54:34 1959215 Link 0 |
How many off them played in the junior league! These days are forcthe wee clubs to have there day not for senior teams to get a cheap medal its up to croke park to do whats right and fair but then dubs and kingdom have there own rules
hoopman (Tyrone) - Posts: 105 - 21/02/2017 15:54:56 1959216 Link 0 |
And won 5 intermediate clubs as well. The story is similar in hurling where Kilkenny and Cork clubs dominate. Most of these Kerry wins at junior club level were by no more than 2-3 points, it's not as if they are blowing teams away. The exception were Caherciveen who were way too good for junior level but found themselves down there. How long have Glenbeigh been a junior club? Were they recently relegated? Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 21/02/2017 15:56:13 1959217 Link 1 |