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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "i think it is a step along the road to a properly constructed championship with no provincials and league followed by playoffs.
This really removes the importance of the provincial championships and they are forcing the provinces to run them off very quickly and there is no benefit to winning one anymore apart from the trophy." Completely wrong.
It doesn't do anything to the importance of the provincial championships.
4 provincial champions still qualify for the last alongside 4 qualifiers. Same as the existing system.
The quarterfinal round is the only stage being changed.
We'll see how it goes, it gives more games. Could end up still being boring.
Good to see the Provincial championships reduced in length. The old system was too drawn out. That's the big win here.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 25/02/2017 13:40:38
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Replying To The_Fridge: "Just thinking. Could you lose 3 games and still win the all Ireland? Say lose first round off championship. Go though qualifiers to super 8's. win 1 game, lose 2 but still go though to semi's. unlikely to happen but could I suppose." You could Draw the 3 round robin games and still qualify for the Semi.
How are the scoring averages worked out? Same as National league ? Or will there be playoffs?
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 25/02/2017 14:31:32
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GAA will now go the same way as rugby union now. A very small clique getting all the rewards and attention to the detriment of the grassroots. For all his faults Joe Brolly is right, Gaelic Games are now elitist and all about money. The new Championship will only suit Dublin, Kerry, Mayo and maybe Tyrone. The rest can eat cake. No wonder Belfast and Derry are soccer strongholds, the GAA has done NOTHING for these urban centres.
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Replying To Whammo86: "Completely wrong.
It doesn't do anything to the importance of the provincial championships.
4 provincial champions still qualify for the last alongside 4 qualifiers. Same as the existing system.
The quarterfinal round is the only stage being changed.
We'll see how it goes, it gives more games. Could end up still being boring.
Good to see the Provincial championships reduced in length. The old system was too drawn out. That's the big win here." I meant it reduces the importance of them by running them off quickly.There will be no self importance around any provincial championships tolerated now.Ulster for example will have to play games on the same weekend whether they like it or not.Provinces can't have big delays before their games.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 25/02/2017 15:08:14
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Duffy's plan ignore's the elephant in the room.....the Man City-like Dublin, who have come from also-rans to winning 4 in 6.....and all it took was €16m.
Let's ignore the 11/12 Leinster titles and 4/6 All Irelands.....before that, Dublin won 4/12 Leinsters and 0/6 All Irelands....that's where Dublin were in the GAA world.
There is absolutely no rhyme or reason in over-loading one county like this, unless it was about money. GAA should be about ability on the field, not who has the most money to spend. This financial doping has to stop.
Cully (Laois) - Posts: 375 - 25/02/2017 15:32:11
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The arrogance of the Gaa is astonishing, the majority players rejected this yet it got 76% approval at congress, remember Fr Dick Byrne smugly giving the fingers to Ted, that's what this reminds me of.
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Replying To Htaem: "The arrogance of the Gaa is astonishing, the majority players rejected this yet it got 76% approval at congress, remember Fr Dick Byrne smugly giving the fingers to Ted, that's what this reminds me of." Why should the players decide everything in the GAA.
Their job is to play.
They were just throwing their toys out of the pram because their idea wasn't put forward for consideration, which was a really childish stance.This proposal is a step along the road to something even better the players should remember that.
I'm all for them having a say but it doesn't mean that just because they want something it should be approved.They first and foremost only care about themselves.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 25/02/2017 15:50:51
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The GPA left it late in the day to announce they were against it. Super 8 was was announced last summer. GPA only came out against it in the last week when most counties would have decided which way they were going to vote.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 25/02/2017 15:53:24
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Why should the players decide everything in the GAA.
Their job is to play.
They were just throwing their toys out of the pram because their idea wasn't put forward for consideration, which was a really childish stance.This proposal is a step along the road to something even better the players should remember that.
I'm all for them having a say but it doesn't mean that just because they want something it should be approved.They first and foremost only care about themselves." I never said the players should "decide everything in the Gaa", where did that come from?
Intercounty players put in a huge physical effort and make a lot sacrifices for our entertainment, the least the Gaa could have done is allowed their opinion go forward for consideration but they didn't even afford them that courtesy. I'd be pretty pissed off if I was an intercounty player and so would you if you were being honest.
Also did you never consider that maybe their reason for opposing this Super 8 proposal wasn't actually just to be childish. Maybe they believe that it just isn't a very good structure, and they'd right, because it isn't a very good structure.
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how much were the county boards promised?
the GPA coming out against it meant a few county boards would probably do the opposite.
Some county boards don't like the GPA
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Replying To manfromdelmonte: "how much were the county boards promised?
the GPA coming out against it meant a few county boards would probably do the opposite.
Some county boards don't like the GPA" It's all about money despite what Duffy says. Let's see how many 'Super8' games are on Sky only - this is the progression to pay-per-view where the real bucks are.
Duffy says won't debate on Twitter - problem is he won't debate anywhere. It's all behind closed doors with promises to keep the delegates sweet. Tearing the heart out of the GAA for the Murdoch money - Duffy will always be remembered for this...
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Replying To Awwwwnow: "Seems now you don't have to win a provincial title or even win a game in the quater final round robin and you can still win the all Ireland.
Only in Ireland could you win a semi final without winning a quarter final!!" portugal won a european championship without wining a game til the semi finals, only in europe i guess
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Replying To opa01: "It's all about money despite what Duffy says. Let's see how many 'Super8' games are on Sky only - this is the progression to pay-per-view where the real bucks are.
Duffy says won't debate on Twitter - problem is he won't debate anywhere. It's all behind closed doors with promises to keep the delegates sweet. Tearing the heart out of the GAA for the Murdoch money - Duffy will always be remembered for this..." In all fairness why would the head of an organization get into a debate with gobshites on twitter.He's 100% right to avoid such nonsense.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 27/02/2017 12:58:26
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Can I quote Antrim senior county footballer Sean McVeigh, in today's Irish News?
"Congress didn't take into account the views of the bodies that represent the players (GPA and CPA) and it's going to affect the players the most. I can't see it (Super 8) being anything other than a way for the GAA to make money. I just fear for Gaelic football and hurling, I fear for where the organisation is going. We're losing our ethos. I think the middle counties are going to get weaker and the likes of us (Antrim) are going to fall behind. It's going to be elite Gaelic football - it's going to be 8 teams and that's it. I don't know what that's going to do to club football, it's quite worrying. Gaelic football is peoples lives, it's a game we ALL love".
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "In all fairness why would the head of an organization get into a debate with gobshites on twitter.He's 100% right to avoid such nonsense." I didn't recommend a debate on Twitter but believe there should be a debate with all interested parties including players and fans. This has not happened. Here's a story from a Meath representative:
A few weeks ago Paraic Duffy came to Dunganny to talk to Meath club delegates about the Super 8 proposals. That night the club delegates voted in favour of backing the proposal. Surely the proper process should have been for delegates to bring what Paraic presented to them back to their clubs and for each club to discuss the proposal and send their delegate back to another meeting mandated as how to vote. Not for club delegates to vote using their personal opinion based on the presentation given by the Director General. If this happened in one county, how many other counties and delegates carried out their business in a similar manner? Also that night Mr. Duffy promised delegates that Croke Park would financially support the redevelopment of Pairc Tailteann. A nice sweetener to throw in…
So you can see Duffy likes to operate behind the scenes - doesn't want any debate in public. Sweet-talk the delegates into voting for. With the Sky deal they didn't even bring it to Congress as if they knew better. Where are the players views? Donegal intercounty players voted overwhelmingly against but delegates still voted for. It's all about the Sky deal and squeezing more money out of the public. Duffy thinks he's operating at Premier League level dreaming of millions from Sky while their objective is locking in every house in Ireland to Sky Sports.
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GAA politics is a murky world!
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Everyone seems to know what they are against but nobody knows exactly what they are in favour of.
- D. Early is in the paper complaining about what this does for clubs and weaker counties but their proposal last year would have added a heap of games, and surely that would always favour stronger counties and done little for clubs. Their proposal was so radical that it never stood a chance of passing. They need to be realistic in terms of what can be achieved
- Weaker counties complaining that this does nothing for them are right. But they shoot down every proposal that is ever put out to try and give them more games complaining about segregation. But how many games can you give counties and still have them all in the same competition? Those games become meaningless after a while.
- People saying this does not help clubs at all, of course it helps clubs. Nearly all club championships are now played in Aug / Sept/ Oct when counties are knocked out. This change frees up those months far more, and for more counties. County boards can now plan for their championships at that time of year and play away at league games from March thru summer ensuring football for all during the summer months.
I see this as a decent change. I also think when it proves to be hugely successful, in 3 or 4 years 'weaker counties' will lobby for some kind of plate or shield competition for counties knocked out earlier in the championship
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This was my proposal - similiar to Colm Parkinson's. Much more about narrowing the gap between top and bottom rather than creating an elite.
It's the Provincial Championships that is holding a lot of counties back. Ulster is too competitive compared to the other provinces and the weaker counties in all provinces will get 2 championship games every year where they'll usually get well beaten.
The current thoughts of tinkering at the edges will make no material difference other than making the stronger counties stronger and weaker counties weaker - the GAA, in my mind, is all about inclusiveness not just money as the hierarchy seem to believe.
If a proper revamp of the Championship were to happen the Provincial Championships would have to be separated from the AI series or counties would have to be moved to other provinces (like hurling) to even out the number of counties. But my preference is for 8 groups of 4 based on National League standings with every group having one team from each division.
The Div 4 team could then have 3 home games in the group stage, Div 3 team 2 home games, Div 2 team 1 home game with the Div 1 team playing all group games away. The National League would then become important again and be a really good competition.
Top 2 teams would qualify for the last 16 while bottom 2 teams would drop into second tier competition. The 2nd tier competition would need to have a level of importance with QF through to final being played in Croker. Last 16 games at a neutral venue. This way all counties are guaranteed 4 championship matches every year with at least two being winnable. Group games could be run over last two weeks in May and all of June. The last 16 through to final of both competitions played through July and August freeing up the rest of the year for the clubs. Top teams in each group to play second-placed teams from another group.
This year you could have a group of Roscommon, Down, Tipperary and Westmeath. All four teams would believe they have a realistic chance of qualifying in the top two. Most games would be competitive and would draw the crowds.
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Replying To opa01: "I didn't recommend a debate on Twitter but believe there should be a debate with all interested parties including players and fans. This has not happened. Here's a story from a Meath representative:
A few weeks ago Paraic Duffy came to Dunganny to talk to Meath club delegates about the Super 8 proposals. That night the club delegates voted in favour of backing the proposal. Surely the proper process should have been for delegates to bring what Paraic presented to them back to their clubs and for each club to discuss the proposal and send their delegate back to another meeting mandated as how to vote. Not for club delegates to vote using their personal opinion based on the presentation given by the Director General. If this happened in one county, how many other counties and delegates carried out their business in a similar manner? Also that night Mr. Duffy promised delegates that Croke Park would financially support the redevelopment of Pairc Tailteann. A nice sweetener to throw in…
So you can see Duffy likes to operate behind the scenes - doesn't want any debate in public. Sweet-talk the delegates into voting for. With the Sky deal they didn't even bring it to Congress as if they knew better. Where are the players views? Donegal intercounty players voted overwhelmingly against but delegates still voted for. It's all about the Sky deal and squeezing more money out of the public. Duffy thinks he's operating at Premier League level dreaming of millions from Sky while their objective is locking in every house in Ireland to Sky Sports." I feel that for years to come, the GAA will be paying for what can only be classed as 'Duffy's Folly'.
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 27/02/2017 17:35:21
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Replying To himachechy: "Everyone seems to know what they are against but nobody knows exactly what they are in favour of.
- D. Early is in the paper complaining about what this does for clubs and weaker counties but their proposal last year would have added a heap of games, and surely that would always favour stronger counties and done little for clubs. Their proposal was so radical that it never stood a chance of passing. They need to be realistic in terms of what can be achieved
- Weaker counties complaining that this does nothing for them are right. But they shoot down every proposal that is ever put out to try and give them more games complaining about segregation. But how many games can you give counties and still have them all in the same competition? Those games become meaningless after a while.
- People saying this does not help clubs at all, of course it helps clubs. Nearly all club championships are now played in Aug / Sept/ Oct when counties are knocked out. This change frees up those months far more, and for more counties. County boards can now plan for their championships at that time of year and play away at league games from March thru summer ensuring football for all during the summer months.
I see this as a decent change. I also think when it proves to be hugely successful, in 3 or 4 years 'weaker counties' will lobby for some kind of plate or shield competition for counties knocked out earlier in the championship" So the likes of Kilcar with 5 on the County panel and 2 county minors have to play without their County players from May to August.Or Gweedore with about 5 players basically playing without there players in the League for the full summer.
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