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Replying To lilywhite1: " Replying To witnof: "Hold on. Louth, Westmeath and Leitrim have never been strong contenders no matter the format, and most likely never will. So lets stop blmaing the formats for their problems or lack of success.
No format will make a weaker county stronger.
Secondly the arguement that the proposed pool takes up extra Sundays and leaves club players twiddling their thumbs. I call BS on this. Every year 24 counties are finished in the championship by the time the Q-Finals start first weekend of August. YET they still cannot or will not run off their local county champtionships. They wait to September and October.
This is also, for me, why the CPA makes no sense. The problems are often within the counties, blaming the 'GAA' or 'Croke Park' is often an easy excuse." Spot on witnof, The elephant in the room so to speak, the issue that nobody seems to be addressing in the Club v County debate is the inability of counties who are long out of the championship to run off their own internal championships in a timely manner."
Every county needs to be finished sooner for the system to work. Either that or play Provincial and AI club in the new year and don't start the NFL until later.
Even then there'd still be uncertainty at the start of the season as to when club players can take holidays.
I'd really like the AI to always be played August bank holiday and for club championships all around the country to start the week after. Give club players time to take holidays at the start of July and then come back to prepare for the championship.
August and September are great months for football.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 24/02/2017 14:41:25
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Replying To lilywhite1: " Replying To witnof: "Hold on. Louth, Westmeath and Leitrim have never been strong contenders no matter the format, and most likely never will. So lets stop blmaing the formats for their problems or lack of success.
No format will make a weaker county stronger.
Secondly the arguement that the proposed pool takes up extra Sundays and leaves club players twiddling their thumbs. I call BS on this. Every year 24 counties are finished in the championship by the time the Q-Finals start first weekend of August. YET they still cannot or will not run off their local county champtionships. They wait to September and October.
This is also, for me, why the CPA makes no sense. The problems are often within the counties, blaming the 'GAA' or 'Croke Park' is often an easy excuse." Spot on witnof, The elephant in the room so to speak, the issue that nobody seems to be addressing in the Club v County debate is the inability of counties who are long out of the championship to run off their own internal championships in a timely manner."
manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts: 541 - 24/02/2017 14:55:27
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Could not agree more, spot on from TheHermit (Kerry) , the issue is getting serious enough so as to theraten Gaelic Games but the 'suits'(that goes for all county board adminsitrators) won't buck up until it is too late... if the will was there within the GAA to bring everybody together they could do it but there's too much power grabbing, vested interests to do that- as I wrote earlier in the thread:
If the GAA was a proper sports organisation they would convene a forum with all parties, county boards, provincial boards,Colleges, GPA, CPA, managers etc. and sit down and have an open discussion, you'd soon see who had players welfare in mind and who had the bottom line in mind, come up with options, put it to each club in the country and make a binding decision at an EGM. Instead of that it will be backroom deals between croke park and county/provincial boards to divide power and revenues and screw the players
73forever (Limerick) - Posts: 89 - 24/02/2017 15:20:48
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The club fixtures issue is an issue of incompetency at county board level.The majority of club championship involve about 6 games.
Are people honestly saying there are not 6 weekends free in the year to play club games?
You could easily find enough time to play club matches and have the championships completed by the middle to of October in every single county in the country.some counties that were knocked out of the championship in July and still couldn't get their championship completed earlier than late October.Thats pure incompetency not the problem of intercounty football.
Why can't teams play matches on consecutive weekends the players do that much training that it would be no bother but seemingly interminable breaks between matches are the way the GAA want to run things at county and club level and these breaks between matches are completely daft.
Some people whining about these new proposal need to accept there are a lot of supporters and players who actually prefer intercounty football to club football and that perhaps not everyone goes along with the club being the be all and end all of everything.The intercounty championship are an incredibly important advertising tool for the GAA as a whole and this should never be forgotten.
This Super 8 idea was the first thing thats happened in GAA administration in a long time that had me genuinely excited.It exactly what a lot of people want and intercounty football exists as entertainment first and foremost and it would provide a great boost to the championship having more games between high quality even;ly matched teams and it could be a step along the road to something even better.
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Offaly were knocked out of the senior football championship on 9th of July 2016 (hurlers were knocked out the week before) and it took until the 16th of October to play the county championship football final.
The Offaly county football championship consists of 6 games and it took 14 weeks to play 6 games.There was a 3 week break between round 2 and 3 of the championship and a 4 week break between the final group game and the semi finals.
there is no reason why matches cannot be played on consecutive weeks, no reason whatsoever and there is definitely no reason why there should ever be a 3 or 4 week break between games if counties are going to blame inter county activity for delaying club championships.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 24/02/2017 21:06:44
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Offaly were knocked out of the senior football championship on 9th of July 2016 (hurlers were knocked out the week before) and it took until the 16th of October to play the county championship football final.
The Offaly county football championship consists of 6 games and it took 14 weeks to play 6 games.There was a 3 week break between round 2 and 3 of the championship and a 4 week break between the final group game and the semi finals.
there is no reason why matches cannot be played on consecutive weeks, no reason whatsoever and there is definitely no reason why there should ever be a 3 or 4 week break between games if counties are going to blame inter county activity for delaying club championships." what did the clubs in Offaly vote for?
most clubs still want to be playing championship football in late August and into September.
it makes them feel like the year was worthwhile. nobody wants to be knocked out by July. that is a huge issue
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Offaly were knocked out of the senior football championship on 9th of July 2016 (hurlers were knocked out the week before) and it took until the 16th of October to play the county championship football final.
The Offaly county football championship consists of 6 games and it took 14 weeks to play 6 games.There was a 3 week break between round 2 and 3 of the championship and a 4 week break between the final group game and the semi finals.
there is no reason why matches cannot be played on consecutive weeks, no reason whatsoever and there is definitely no reason why there should ever be a 3 or 4 week break between games if counties are going to blame inter county activity for delaying club championships." Indeed - the system employed by the Kerry County Board is that at the start of January, a master fixture calendar is drafted for the year, setting out dates for County Leagues, the various grades of County Championships, and the various district championships. Of course, the hope each season is to reach the All-Ireland Final, but the aim is to have every tournament run off by late October/early November at the earliest, so surely football counties at least could copy this (admittedly, somewhat more complicated for dual counties)?
anciarraioch82 (Kerry) - Posts: 33 - 24/02/2017 22:15:41
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Offaly were knocked out of the senior football championship on 9th of July 2016 (hurlers were knocked out the week before) and it took until the 16th of October to play the county championship football final.
The Offaly county football championship consists of 6 games and it took 14 weeks to play 6 games.There was a 3 week break between round 2 and 3 of the championship and a 4 week break between the final group game and the semi finals.
there is no reason why matches cannot be played on consecutive weeks, no reason whatsoever and there is definitely no reason why there should ever be a 3 or 4 week break between games if counties are going to blame inter county activity for delaying club championships." Ive mentioned this before about this situation. The Leinster club championship doesn't start until after the all Ireland. If the Offaly championship was played straight after Offaly were put out it would be finished by, say, mid/late July. Say Dublin reach the all Ireland final and St Vicents win the Dublin championship it is November before the Offaly champs would play St Vicents. The Offaly champs would be have to wait 3 months to play the first round of the Leinster. Also it would be very very difficult to win a game after not playing for 3 months.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 24/02/2017 22:22:28
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Replying To manfromdelmonte: " Replying To lilywhite1: "[quote=witnof: "Hold on. Louth, Westmeath and Leitrim have never been strong contenders no matter the format, and most likely never will. So lets stop blmaing the formats for their problems or lack of success.
No format will make a weaker county stronger.
Secondly the arguement that the proposed pool takes up extra Sundays and leaves club players twiddling their thumbs. I call BS on this. Every year 24 counties are finished in the championship by the time the Q-Finals start first weekend of August. YET they still cannot or will not run off their local county champtionships. They wait to September and October.
This is also, for me, why the CPA makes no sense. The problems are often within the counties, blaming the 'GAA' or 'Croke Park' is often an easy excuse." Spot on witnof, The elephant in the room so to speak, the issue that nobody seems to be addressing in the Club v County debate is the inability of counties who are long out of the championship to run off their own internal championships in a timely manner."
lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2991 - 24/02/2017 22:45:04
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Offaly were knocked out of the senior football championship on 9th of July 2016 (hurlers were knocked out the week before) and it took until the 16th of October to play the county championship football final.
The Offaly county football championship consists of 6 games and it took 14 weeks to play 6 games.There was a 3 week break between round 2 and 3 of the championship and a 4 week break between the final group game and the semi finals.
there is no reason why matches cannot be played on consecutive weeks, no reason whatsoever and there is definitely no reason why there should ever be a 3 or 4 week break between games if counties are going to blame inter county activity for delaying club championships." How can you play football championship games in consecutive weeks when alot of club players in Offaly play both hurling and football? A club like St Rynaghs will play championship football one weekend, championship hurling the other. Unless you are saying these lads should play both a hurling and football game each weekend. Was it 2 clubs that played competitive championship in Offaly in October, and one of them was going on to compete in the provincial anyway?
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 24/02/2017 23:00:20
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Replying To Soma: "How can you play football championship games in consecutive weeks when alot of club players in Offaly play both hurling and football? A club like St Rynaghs will play championship football one weekend, championship hurling the other. Unless you are saying these lads should play both a hurling and football game each weekend. Was it 2 clubs that played competitive championship in Offaly in October, and one of them was going on to compete in the provincial anyway?" You could play 2 rounds of football 2 weeks in a row and then 2 weeks of hurling.Then back to remaining group stage matches.It is not that difficult to find 12 free weeks in the year.
My example was just showing how the gaps between matches are too big.It happens in other counties aswell. We need to get round to idea of matches being played on consecutive weeks.The default setting in GAA is to have big gaps between matches but the players do so much training and are so fit these days that it really should be no problem to play matches on consecutive weeks.
in order to clear up the mess for everybody sacrifices have to be made.Tough on dual players but then being a dual player is not supposed to be easy.
the problem with the GAA is nobody wants to upset anyone else but sometimes this has to happen for the better good of the games.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 25/02/2017 09:21:06
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Replying To The_Fridge: "Ive mentioned this before about this situation. The Leinster club championship doesn't start until after the all Ireland. If the Offaly championship was played straight after Offaly were put out it would be finished by, say, mid/late July. Say Dublin reach the all Ireland final and St Vicents win the Dublin championship it is November before the Offaly champs would play St Vicents. The Offaly champs would be have to wait 3 months to play the first round of the Leinster. Also it would be very very difficult to win a game after not playing for 3 months." The provincial club football championships should start in the new year.That's that issue solved straight away.
Can't really understand why they don't.It should count as a separate competition like the champions league in soccer does.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 25/02/2017 09:23:08
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Passed. The GAA is going to kill the golden goose. Unless this is a segue towards a properly constructed championship, it's a shockingly short-sighted call. Boo to Croke Park and the shenanigans going on there at the moment.
Cully (Laois) - Posts: 375 - 25/02/2017 11:10:46
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The Super 8 idea has passed with 76% in favour. All Ireland finals to be played in August also passes.
Looks like the provinces are going to have to do away with dragging out provincial championships for so long.The provincials will have to by the end of june first week of July now and the Super 8 take place after that.
Looks like both rules passing could be a good idea as it tightens up the season significantly and we get proper football much earlier in the championship season.
The players can't really complain as they've got the all ireland finals moved back to earlier in the year so there is absolutely zero excuse about delaying county championships anymore.
In spite of the fact I would have liked the AI finals to remain in September for promotional reasons maybe the tightening up of the intercounty calendar is the best thing that can be done and there can be massive focus on GAA during this period with more matches each week for the media to concentrate on.
Both rule changes could be a win win and hopefully a step along the road to even better changes.
There should be no complaining about this be realistically I;m expecting a barrage of whinging from numerous groups in the GAA.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 25/02/2017 11:25:17
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Seems now you don't have to win a provincial title or even win a game in the quater final round robin and you can still win the all Ireland.
Only in Ireland could you win a semi final without winning a quarter final!!
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 25/02/2017 11:38:34
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Replying To Cully: "Passed. The GAA is going to kill the golden goose. Unless this is a segue towards a properly constructed championship, it's a shockingly short-sighted call. Boo to Croke Park and the shenanigans going on there at the moment." i think it is a step along the road to a properly constructed championship with no provincials and league followed by playoffs.
This really removes the importance of the provincial championships and they are forcing the provinces to run them off very quickly and there is no benefit to winning one anymore apart from the trophy.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 25/02/2017 11:43:07
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It has become that bit harder to win an all ireland that's for sure,an example would be kerry and mayo in group 1 if it was last game to decide placing in your group,you would be watching the other group to see would it be an advantage to finish
1st or 2nd.still makes for some exciting games and who ever wins an all ireland will well and truly have earned it.
cornetto (Galway) - Posts: 223 - 25/02/2017 11:59:37
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Like the Sky deal all about money!!
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "The provincial club football championships should start in the new year.That's that issue solved straight away.
Can't really understand why they don't.It should count as a separate competition like the champions league in soccer does." Is that not adding another competition into an already extremely busy period? McKenna cup, NFL,Sigerson, schools, club football. Don't think it would work
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Just thinking. Could you lose 3 games and still win the all Ireland? Say lose first round off championship. Go though qualifiers to super 8's. win 1 game, lose 2 but still go though to semi's. unlikely to happen but could I suppose.
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