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Replying To thelongridge:  "The 6 team divisions work, but I have one problem. In theory a team in 4th place in 1B could win the league, but in reality that won't happen. This weekend's final round of games will determine the top and bottom places in the 2 divisions.

One from Offaly, Kerry, or Laois will reach a quarter final v the top team in 1A, the other teams play off in a relegation match. Last year Cork with no points beat Galway who had won games in 1A, Cork won. Galway are in 1B

I think the top teams in 1A and 1B play off in the league final, and the bottom team in each division are relegated. This second chance is unfair, a few years ago Offaly played league 2a champions in a relegation game,Offaly won, and played in 1B to date. Kerry should have been in the higher division.
A repeat of that match could happen this year depending on results. Alternatively if Offaly beat Kerry, and Laois lose, Offaly on 2 points reach a quarter final, crazy!!"
Ya I said that in an earlier post. A 4th team in 1b can win div 1 and not be promoted.
But where's your logic for winners of 1A and !B playing each other in the final? I'm a bit baffled that 1st against 7th is fair!!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 22/03/2017 10:43:45    1969872

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Allianz HL Division 1A round 5
Clare v Waterford, Cusack Park, 3pm Draw
Cork v Tipperary, Pairc Ui Rinn, 3pm Cork
Dublin v Kilkenny, Parnell Park, 3pm Kilkenny

Allianz HL Division 1B round 5
Kerry v Offaly, Austin Stack Park, 3pm Offaly
Limerick v Galway, Gaelic Grounds, 3pm Galway
Wexford v Laois, Innovate Wexford Park, 3pm Wexford

Possibly the most difficult week to predict so far. Going to do a treble of Cork (+3), Offaly and Wexford (-7) 5.5 /1"
poor auld limerick and galway,as davy said it was all set up for this to be the promotion decider,oh well maybe next year :)

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 22/03/2017 12:00:01    1969905

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Replying To perfect10:  "
Replying To tiobraid:  "Allianz HL Division 1A round 5
Clare v Waterford, Cusack Park, 3pm Draw
Cork v Tipperary, Pairc Ui Rinn, 3pm Cork
Dublin v Kilkenny, Parnell Park, 3pm Kilkenny

Allianz HL Division 1B round 5
Kerry v Offaly, Austin Stack Park, 3pm Offaly
Limerick v Galway, Gaelic Grounds, 3pm Galway
Wexford v Laois, Innovate Wexford Park, 3pm Wexford

Possibly the most difficult week to predict so far. Going to do a treble of Cork (+3), Offaly and Wexford (-7) 5.5 /1"
poor auld limerick and galway,as davy said it was all set up for this to be the promotion decider,oh well maybe next year :)"
perfect10

What are your expectations for Wexford in Championship? To be honest I wasn't one bit surprised that Davy got you past Limerick & Galway. This is his forte - beating sides with a questionable mentality, where he gets players fit, playing to his plan, creates a tight battle and edges it.

But as a Manager, he has struggled with Tipperary & Kilkenny losing by 21 & 23 points to them in finals respectively. His one notable win over them was when his Waterford lads caught Tipp on the hop in the 2008 semi final. In the 2010 quarter final he played with one inside forward for the whole game v Tipp & lost by 7 points. He has struggled to come up with plans to beat Kilkenny & Tipp. Galway have managed it in championship as have Cork in the last 5 years.

As an inter-county Manager, Davy has won his finals against Cork (2010 & 2013) and Waterford (2016) so while winning 1B is excellent and Wexford deserve to be where they are, do you foresee a Leinster championship?

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 24/03/2017 10:44:11    1970643

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Do not foresee a Leinster title this year, but I do think Davy could win one in the next 3 years for us.
He has given hurling in the fantastic boost, changed many people's minds (yours truly included) about him and really has us hurling with belief and confidence that we have only shown sporadically in recent years.
I think it was so blatant of the GAA to fix the Limerick Galway as the last match and it has turned out to not be the gate filler they expected, but I do wonder if playing both these teams in the opening games and the other 3 after it (no disrespect intended on Laois/Offaly/Kerry) could hurt us when we hit the 1A team in the quarter final.
Still, absolutely euphoric about our league campaign and sorry I only got to make 1 match due to illness and work commitments, but back for Sunday and the quarter final now.
I always felt there was a truck load more in that Wexford team which Liam Dunne, legend as he is, did not get out of them.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 24/03/2017 12:49:25    1970677

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Oh and weekend predictions?

Clare v Waterford, Cusack Park, 3pm Clare
Cork v Tipperary, Pairc Ui Rinn, 3pm Tipp
Dublin v Kilkenny, Parnell Park, 3pm Kilkenny

Allianz HL Division 1B round 5
Kerry v Offaly, Austin Stack Park, 3pm Offaly
Limerick v Galway, Gaelic Grounds, 3pm Limerick
Wexford v Laois, Innovate Wexford Park, 3pm Wexford

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 24/03/2017 12:50:25    1970679

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Clare v Waterford CLARE
Cork v Tipperary, TIPP
Dublin v Kilkenny, KILKENNY
Kerry v Offaly, KERRY
Limerick v Galway, GALWAY
Wexford v Laois, WEXFORD

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 24/03/2017 14:32:37    1970715

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Allianz HL Division 1 quarter-finals
Offaly v Tipperary, O'Connor Park, 4pm Tipp
Cork v Limerick, Pairc Ui Rinn, 4pm Cork
Galway v Waterford, Pearse Stadium, 4pm - TG4 Waterford
Kilkenny v Wexford, Nowlan Park, 4pm - TG4 (deferred) Kilkenny

Hard to judge as I've seen nothing of 1B. I'd expect home advantage for KK will rule out any chance of an upset in Nowlan Park. Waterford have disappointed me but I'd expect them to raise their game and they love playing Galway. From Limericks results you'd expect Cork to win, however never rule Limerick out so this will be close.
No disrespect to Offaly but you'd expect Tipp to win.

Clare to win the relegation but it to go right down to the wire and Kerry to win 1B in a close game too

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 31/03/2017 08:29:19    1973427

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Offaly v Tipperary, O'Connor Park, - Tipp
Cork v Limerick, Pairc Ui Rinn, - Cork
Galway v Waterford, Pearse Stadium - Galway
Kilkenny v Wexford, Nowlan Park, - Kilkenny

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 31/03/2017 14:07:16    1973550

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1b is the place to be lads!!

mike03 (Limerick) - Posts: 2000 - 02/04/2017 17:38:21    1974218

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Allianz HL Division 1 quarter-finals
Offaly v Tipperary, O'Connor Park, 4pm Tipp
Cork v Limerick, Pairc Ui Rinn, 4pm Cork
Galway v Waterford, Pearse Stadium, 4pm - TG4 Waterford
Kilkenny v Wexford, Nowlan Park, 4pm - TG4 (deferred) Kilkenny

Hard to judge as I've seen nothing of 1B. I'd expect home advantage for KK will rule out any chance of an upset in Nowlan Park. Waterford have disappointed me but I'd expect them to raise their game and they love playing Galway. From Limericks results you'd expect Cork to win, however never rule Limerick out so this will be close.
No disrespect to Offaly but you'd expect Tipp to win.

Clare to win the relegation but it to go right down to the wire and Kerry to win 1B in a close game too"
You nailed it :-)

ColinWex (Wexford) - Posts: 901 - 03/04/2017 08:13:53    1974562

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Replying To ColinWex:  "You nailed it :-)"
Ha...not exactly! Huge result for Wexford in Nowlan Park to be fair. No one happier than me to be wrong. Splitting hairs now but if they can improve their shooting then Leinster could be there for them this year.
I think the result is a huge blow to KK and they needed big games this year more than ever and Cody would've been hoping to get another game into the new players. On the plus side they now have for the first time a really top class keeper. I'd go as far as saying he was been the player of the league so far. Exceptional talent.
Waterford are becoming extremely inconsistent. No team should lose a game from that position. Interesting and maybe a strange use of the panel however.
You just don't know what you'll get from Limerick (or Cork).
Two very interesting games ahead.
The 3 1B teams will be delighted to get at least one more big game and are now in a better position than 5 of the 1A teams.
In theory is it better being in 1B now? Get to blood more players?

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 03/04/2017 09:28:41    1974595

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Ha...not exactly! Huge result for Wexford in Nowlan Park to be fair. No one happier than me to be wrong. Splitting hairs now but if they can improve their shooting then Leinster could be there for them this year.
I think the result is a huge blow to KK and they needed big games this year more than ever and Cody would've been hoping to get another game into the new players. On the plus side they now have for the first time a really top class keeper. I'd go as far as saying he was been the player of the league so far. Exceptional talent.
Waterford are becoming extremely inconsistent. No team should lose a game from that position. Interesting and maybe a strange use of the panel however.
You just don't know what you'll get from Limerick (or Cork).
Two very interesting games ahead.
The 3 1B teams will be delighted to get at least one more big game and are now in a better position than 5 of the 1A teams.
In theory is it better being in 1B now? Get to blood more players?"
spend years in 1b,no thanks.
cant wait for 1a next year.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 03/04/2017 10:12:42    1974626

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Replying To perfect10:  "spend years in 1b,no thanks.
cant wait for 1a next year."
Was being slightly sarcastic!
It will be great to see Wexford back up there and can only improve them. It's still very early days though for Wexford under Davy, The KK game in the Cship will be the real indication of how far they have come.
Personally I think wexford have shown too much respect to KK for years. Davy will change that mindset fairly quickly though and they now will go into that match expecting to win it

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 03/04/2017 12:12:33    1974734

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Without a doubt two groups of six have worked especially in 1A which is very competitive, 1B is still a group of two halves. But i don't get the semi final lark at all - it just goes over my head.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 03/04/2017 12:33:04    1974744

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Was being slightly sarcastic!
It will be great to see Wexford back up there and can only improve them. It's still very early days though for Wexford under Davy, The KK game in the Cship will be the real indication of how far they have come.
Personally I think wexford have shown too much respect to KK for years. Davy will change that mindset fairly quickly though and they now will go into that match expecting to win it"
I always believed that Wexford had the hurling skills to match any team in Ireland including KK but they never had the intensity (work rate), that is what DF has brought to Wexford. Of the highlights I saw last night Offaly are showing little or no intensity and until that changes they are going no where. KK were the first team to bring intensity in to hurling (after training with the Meath Football coach), it took a number of years for others to realise that no matter how good of a hurling team they were, without intensity they wouldn't beat KK.

Brian_Coyote (Antrim) - Posts: 346 - 03/04/2017 14:24:27    1974822

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Being in 1B definitely has advantages as it allows a team to ease their way into the season rather than going at full tilt from the opening game. Then the plan would be that you get a chance to play the big hitters in April in the knock-out games where you could learn how things are shaping up. However yesterday's results mean Limerick or Galway could win the league despite only playing 1 team from the top division which is not ideal as championship preparation.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 03/04/2017 15:00:39    1974847

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Replying To Brian_Coyote:  "I always believed that Wexford had the hurling skills to match any team in Ireland including KK but they never had the intensity (work rate), that is what DF has brought to Wexford. Of the highlights I saw last night Offaly are showing little or no intensity and until that changes they are going no where. KK were the first team to bring intensity in to hurling (after training with the Meath Football coach), it took a number of years for others to realise that no matter how good of a hurling team they were, without intensity they wouldn't beat KK."
Personally I don't agree with you there but its a matter of opinion. I actually felt Wexfords first touch, shot selection and general hurling wasn't good enough to compete over the last few years. But yes 100% agree on intensity.
Speaking of skill its amazing how many unorthodox and awkward looking strikers KK now have in their team.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 03/04/2017 16:05:03    1974889

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Personally I don't agree with you there but its a matter of opinion. I actually felt Wexfords first touch, shot selection and general hurling wasn't good enough to compete over the last few years. But yes 100% agree on intensity.
Speaking of skill its amazing how many unorthodox and awkward looking strikers KK now have in their team."
Yes i totaly agree with you..the quality of wexford hurling over the past ten years or so was well below the standard required to compete against the top teams..
Unlike tipp killkenny galway and cork we do not have the same high player pool to pick from and we find it difficult to have 15 quality players on the pitch at the same time, we just can't replace retired or injured players but hopefully for the first time since the 90s will finally have a panel of 20 plus good players..and i can tell you now wexford will not be far off the pace for the next few years.
Lets not forget tipp disappeared off the hurling map for the 70s and 80s and lets hope offaly can recover but will be very difficult without help given their limited number of hurling clubs.


But i find your remark calling killkenny players awkward a bit of a stupid comment..

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 03/04/2017 18:43:43    1974972

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Replying To tonydoranfan:  "Yes i totaly agree with you..the quality of wexford hurling over the past ten years or so was well below the standard required to compete against the top teams..
Unlike tipp killkenny galway and cork we do not have the same high player pool to pick from and we find it difficult to have 15 quality players on the pitch at the same time, we just can't replace retired or injured players but hopefully for the first time since the 90s will finally have a panel of 20 plus good players..and i can tell you now wexford will not be far off the pace for the next few years.
Lets not forget tipp disappeared off the hurling map for the 70s and 80s and lets hope offaly can recover but will be very difficult without help given their limited number of hurling clubs.


But i find your remark calling killkenny players awkward a bit of a stupid comment.."
Yes, don't get me wrong about Wexford, I'd agree that they now have what looks like a talented skilful group of players. Even before Davy you could see some real talent coming through. Their hurling certainly wasn't as crisp though since the likes of Liam Dunne, Adrian fenlon and Larry O'Gorman and the likes retired.
I'll stand by my comment on KK. The likes of Farrell, Colin Fennelly, Walter Walsh and Deegan have interesting swings. I'm not saying they aren't effective though and I still see them hurling in September at the least.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 04/04/2017 09:05:10    1975188

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Yes, don't get me wrong about Wexford, I'd agree that they now have what looks like a talented skilful group of players. Even before Davy you could see some real talent coming through. Their hurling certainly wasn't as crisp though since the likes of Liam Dunne, Adrian fenlon and Larry O'Gorman and the likes retired.
I'll stand by my comment on KK. The likes of Farrell, Colin Fennelly, Walter Walsh and Deegan have interesting swings. I'm not saying they aren't effective though and I still see them hurling in September at the least."
be a strange season if they are still hurling intercounty in October.....

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2484 - 04/04/2017 09:38:21    1975222

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