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i think offaly might upset the apple cart here,but i also think we will have enough in the last game to have us sailing into 1a for next season,which i cannot wait for already even if it is the ultimate dogfight to stay there! perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 09/03/2017 12:26:01 1965650 Link
As a Kerryman i think our hurlers are not div ib material whats the point going out every day and getting hammered they should be no promotion from 2a to ib we all like to see counties improving but we have to be realistic Kerry and their likes are div 2 teams and thats where they should stay u have the div 3 and 4 teams their aim is to get to div 2 u have regulation and promotion in those div keep div 1 for the top teams wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 933 - 09/03/2017 13:30:06 1965671 Link
Replying To wfkerry: "As a Kerryman i think our hurlers are not div ib material whats the point going out every day and getting hammered they should be no promotion from 2a to ib we all like to see counties improving but we have to be realistic Kerry and their likes are div 2 teams and thats where they should stay u have the div 3 and 4 teams their aim is to get to div 2 u have regulation and promotion in those div keep div 1 for the top teams" Disagree. They got promoted and deserve their chance to test themselves against the best. If they aren't good enough they will go back down. Realistically at the min you probably have 9 teams at the top table and Offaly, Laois and Kerry hanging on in there. Having said that you might have a serious second tier competition if you added the likes of Antrim, Carlow and Westmeath to these. Unfortunately the small effort that went into promoting hurling in weaker counties has completely disappeared from the main men in Croke Park's objective tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/03/2017 14:04:21 1965680 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "Disagree. They got promoted and deserve their chance to test themselves against the best. If they aren't good enough they will go back down. Realistically at the min you probably have 9 teams at the top table and Offaly, Laois and Kerry hanging on in there. Having said that you might have a serious second tier competition if you added the likes of Antrim, Carlow and Westmeath to these. Unfortunately the small effort that went into promoting hurling in weaker counties has completely disappeared from the main men in Croke Park's objective" its all fine getting promoted and testing yourself against the top teams Kerry are in div 1b for the past 2 years and getting hammered every day they go out whats that doing for morale we know for a fact that the likes of Kerry Laois are never going to win their provincial championships Liam Mccarthy or the national league would they be better off staying in the lower div and not getting hammered they would enjoy their hurling alot more whats the point bursting your ass in training what have u to look foward to wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 933 - 09/03/2017 14:21:13 1965685 Link
Replying To perfect10: "so did dublin mike03,and they bet cork away in what could be a vital game. i really hope we can win this league and get out of it.i am sick of seeing the same teams every year,i want kilkenny and tipp in the park and if they beat us,well so be it." Its actually true about this league format - its very static, for Limerick Wexford and Offaly have been ver present in 1b - to that end I'm glad its Wexford going up and not Galway - would love to have Kilkenny relegated and hoping Offaly drop out of 1b...at least then there might be a few new counties to go up against. 73forever (Limerick) - Posts: 89 - 09/03/2017 15:45:18 1965712 Link
Replying To 73forever: "Its actually true about this league format - its very static, for Limerick Wexford and Offaly have been ver present in 1b - to that end I'm glad its Wexford going up and not Galway - would love to have Kilkenny relegated and hoping Offaly drop out of 1b...at least then there might be a few new counties to go up against." Would a two up two down system work like the football? tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/03/2017 15:48:42 1965713 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "Would a two up two down system work like the football?" pinkie proposed it on another thread,it got pretty much unanimous approval,or maybe it was top team up,2nd top play 2nd bottom in league above. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 09/03/2017 16:15:00 1965719 Link
Replying To perfect10: "pinkie proposed it on another thread,it got pretty much unanimous approval,or maybe it was top team up,2nd top play 2nd bottom in league above." In fairness it might make some sense alright. Is it the same format this year for Q finals? Can a 4th team in 1b win Div 1 out (and obviously not be promoted). That's madness tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 10/03/2017 11:13:38 1965922 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "Pinkie I actually think Clare were in 1A in 2013 and survived in it by beating Cork in a replayed play off. The following year they lost a religation battle with Kilkenny." Clare topped 1a in 2014 and lost league semi to Tipp. Wheels came off from then on and went down in 2015. Playing 1a over a long period of time does improve your hurling but it's not be all and end all. Limerick beat 1a teams in 2013 2014 n 2015 in munster. Clareman (Clare) - Posts: 1056 - 10/03/2017 15:52:28 1966015 Link
well if 1a is not the place to be then try 7 years in it especially when relegated after the league. i don't care if we struggle to stay in 1a next year,i can't wait to play those teams next year. a proud wexican tonight and davy the toast of the county in fairness to him. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 12/03/2017 20:51:07 1966522 Link
Replying To perfect10: "well if 1a is not the place to be then try 7 years in it especially when relegated after the league. i don't care if we struggle to stay in 1a next year,i can't wait to play those teams next year. a proud wexican tonight and davy the toast of the county in fairness to him." yup great achievement...delighted to see ye doing so well so far, and a great man at the helm...i along with many many others sad to see him go from our camp few years ago. juniorjudge (Waterford) - Posts: 383 - 12/03/2017 21:58:03 1966550 Link
With all due respect, Kerry have had some monumental victories (relatively) over the last few years over Carlow, Westmeath, Antrim, Laois and Offaly and have had decent outings last year against some far superior opposition. These Lower-Upper tier teams have every right to play against the best of the rest. The hidings they are getting will stand to them in the long run. What would the point be in a team ruling over 2A year in year out? HouseOfBlagards (Kerry) - Posts: 2 - 13/03/2017 16:20:34 1966765 Link
Replying To HouseOfBlagards: "With all due respect, Kerry have had some monumental victories (relatively) over the last few years over Carlow, Westmeath, Antrim, Laois and Offaly and have had decent outings last year against some far superior opposition. These Lower-Upper tier teams have every right to play against the best of the rest. The hidings they are getting will stand to them in the long run. What would the point be in a team ruling over 2A year in year out?" The only differance between wexford and kerry is speed and that could be seen in wexford park last week.. good hurlers but use to playing at a slower pace. How can kerry improve in 2A and what good will it do antrim?? ...and wexford will find 1A a total different ball game next year after years away from the top table tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 13/03/2017 17:21:18 1966798 Link
I think the two divisions of 6 teams has worked for hurling, maybe not individual counties, but there are fine margins between relegation and a quater final berth. The whole notion of a knock out phase to a league is almost as ludicrous as a round robin AFTER a knockout phase yes we just cannot get our competitions right. But in general terms the format of 1A an 1B is a good one irrespective of where my county ends up it is a very good format. Just the last bit a wee bit stupid. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 13/03/2017 19:34:20 1966822 Link
There is no perfect format for the league. An 8 team division 1 leaves the likes of Limerick, Galway, Offaly, etc to play Kerry, Antrim, Kildare, etc. There will be numerous pastings in that too. The current structure gives the likes of Kerry, Laois, etc a chance to progress, which they will never do if they don't pit themselves against the top teams. A place in the top league should be earned, not be a right. I am fully expecting Wexford to have to battle for their lives next year to stay in it, what other way should it be? The current structure is the best we have had, an 8 team division 1 only suits those top 8. Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 14/03/2017 09:27:06 1966903 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "Disagree. They got promoted and deserve their chance to test themselves against the best. If they aren't good enough they will go back down. Realistically at the min you probably have 9 teams at the top table and Offaly, Laois and Kerry hanging on in there. Having said that you might have a serious second tier competition if you added the likes of Antrim, Carlow and Westmeath to these. Unfortunately the small effort that went into promoting hurling in weaker counties has completely disappeared from the main men in Croke Park's objective" Maybe 9 teams in Division One. With Division Two being Kerry Laois Offaly Antrim Westmeath Carlow possibly Meath Kildare. The winner of Division Two plays off against the bottom team from Division One. Get rid of the National League final altogether. First past the post. crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 14/03/2017 20:36:13 1967076 Link
Replying To crikey: "Maybe 9 teams in Division One. With Division Two being Kerry Laois Offaly Antrim Westmeath Carlow possibly Meath Kildare. The winner of Division Two plays off against the bottom team from Division One. Get rid of the National League final altogether. First past the post." Great in theory but far too many intercounty games already unless you go back to pre-xmas league games and play it off in 10 weeks then maybe but then you're burning out players tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 21/03/2017 12:59:00 1969465 Link
Allianz HL Division 1A round 5 Clare v Waterford, Cusack Park, 3pm Draw Cork v Tipperary, Pairc Ui Rinn, 3pm Cork Dublin v Kilkenny, Parnell Park, 3pm Kilkenny Allianz HL Division 1B round 5 Kerry v Offaly, Austin Stack Park, 3pm Offaly Limerick v Galway, Gaelic Grounds, 3pm Galway Wexford v Laois, Innovate Wexford Park, 3pm Wexford Possibly the most difficult week to predict so far. Going to do a treble of Cork (+3), Offaly and Wexford (-7) 5.5 /1 tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 21/03/2017 13:05:22 1969469 Link
Replying To arock: "I think the two divisions of 6 teams has worked for hurling, maybe not individual counties, but there are fine margins between relegation and a quater final berth. The whole notion of a knock out phase to a league is almost as ludicrous as a round robin AFTER a knockout phase yes we just cannot get our competitions right. But in general terms the format of 1A an 1B is a good one irrespective of where my county ends up it is a very good format. Just the last bit a wee bit stupid." The 6 team divisions work, but I have one problem. In theory a team in 4th place in 1B could win the league, but in reality that won't happen. This weekend's final round of games will determine the top and bottom places in the 2 divisions. One from Offaly, Kerry, or Laois will reach a quarter final v the top team in 1A, the other teams play off in a relegation match. Last year Cork with no points beat Galway who had won games in 1A, Cork won. Galway are in 1B I think the top teams in 1A and 1B play off in the league final, and the bottom team in each division are relegated. This second chance is unfair, a few years ago Offaly played league 2a champions in a relegation game,Offaly won, and played in 1B to date. Kerry should have been in the higher division. A repeat of that match could happen this year depending on results. Alternatively if Offaly beat Kerry, and Laois lose, Offaly on 2 points reach a quarter final, crazy!! thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1745 - 21/03/2017 14:48:25 1969528 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "Great in theory but far too many intercounty games already unless you go back to pre-xmas league games and play it off in 10 weeks then maybe but then you're burning out players" The teams that reach the final play 8 games in the current format - 5 groups game,quater/semi and final. So it can be done easily in the time allotted. 73forever (Limerick) - Posts: 89 - 21/03/2017 16:11:13 1969570 Link