|
I think Tyrone are a bit further away than some believe. Having the forwards that they need to bring them back as the contenders that they once were isn't so straight forward. Defensively they're very strong and I think they have some fantastic athletes in there to do a lot of hard work. They're also very good in the tackle, something that they don't get enough credit for.
But up front they've been lacking for some time now. It was always going to be very hard to follow up on the previous batch of forwards such as O'Neill, Mulligan and McGuigan. They're lacking that bite in the forward corners that they need to stretch the likes of Dublin / Mayo. At this stage, I'm not sure if Mickey has it in him to change their system enough to accommodate a more attack minded system.
Having a dependable free taker in the modern game is something that all teams simply have to have in order to compete against the bigger teams. That's not as easy as it sounds. Tyrone supporters were right to agonise over the pain of losing to Mayo last year in a game where they could have won had they converted their frees. Even when it was in a game where they didn't play too well.
I fully expect them to be competitive this season though and I think on any given day they're one of the better teams placed to turn over one of the other main contenders.
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 08/02/2017 12:55:41
1953606
Link
0
|
|
Replying To s goldrick: "I also think that Tiernan McCann is a fantastic player, He can break at speed, his skill levels are high, he can break tackles and take a score, Niall Sludden has improved a lot and they do have scoring forwards (unlike us) such as Mark Bradley, Darren McCurry and Ronan O' Neill, it's a shame that Conor Mcaliskey is injured this year. Also I rate Colm Cavanagh very highly as a sweeper or midfielder, add to that Cathal McCarron and you have quite a few who would get on to most teams. I still rate them as the best in Ulster with Donegal second and Monaghan third. How does the draw pan out this year, i.e. if the ulster champs get through their quarter-final, who do they play in semi- (what provincial winner)." Ulster plays Leinster this tear
jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 08/02/2017 12:56:31
1953607
Link
0
|
|
from an other thread rather than hijack that I will reply here
"Irrespective of whether we are beaten on Saturday or not, This Tyrone team are over-rated at present. They played div 2 football in 2016, and won an Ulster title with a handy draw against a Derry in free fall, an decent but not brilliant Cavan team and Donegal who are on the decline since McGuinness left in my opinion. They where poor in the quarter final against Mayo. I still think that they rely too much on Sean Cavanagh and 1 or 2 others. Just don't understand the hype, I don't think they would cause any significant threat to the big three (Dubs, Kerry and Mayo) should they meet in the latter stages of the championship.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts:11784 - 07/02/2017 14:55:17
wayn so who have Dublin played of an note in the Leinster championship in the last 10 years or more what ever about the Derry game last year Cavan and Donegal are no push overs and would give any team as good a game as most.
and as for being bad against Mayo have you just forgot about the drawn AI final when it took 2 of the luckiest goals I have ever seen for Dublin to come anywhere near Mayo I can tell you now if that had of been Kerry or Tyrone you were playing there would have been no replay as both would not have been as afraid as Mayo to go and win the match.
So jump down off you high horse before there is a mighty fall
As for Tyrone being over hyped I think you will find it is mainly people outside the County hyping them up as most supports how go to the matches know what we are lacking and most of it has been said in this thread already.
Anyway looking forward to Saturday and hope both team play their strongest teams then we might see where we are really at
redbomb (Tyrone) - Posts: 167 - 08/02/2017 13:44:26
1953621
Link
1
|
|
Ultimate respect for Tyrone. A great Footballing county. Football mad, great setup.
They'll come with their A game and play to their strengths and will cause Dublin plenty of trouble
A very difficult game ahead and Dublin will have to be far more clinical compared to last weeks game
There will be plenty of defensive football from both teams
Lets hope Dublin's superior offensive options wins out after the grind.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 08/02/2017 14:17:57
1953635
Link
1
|
|
Really have to agree with guys who say Tyrone are over-rated. Take Matty and Peter out of the team and Tyrone are average. The strongest area for Tyrone is their defensive system, possibly the best in the game at present, but that's it. There are no star forwards, no reliable free takers, dodgy keeper.
Ulster is winnable, all-ireland is Dubs or Kerry's.
Dermoot (Tyrone) - Posts: 46 - 08/02/2017 18:40:28
1953744
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Dermoot: "Really have to agree with guys who say Tyrone are over-rated. Take Matty and Peter out of the team and Tyrone are average. The strongest area for Tyrone is their defensive system, possibly the best in the game at present, but that's it. There are no star forwards, no reliable free takers, dodgy keeper.
Ulster is winnable, all-ireland is Dubs or Kerry's." Well yes, of course if you take 2 of the best players in the country out of a team it won't be as good.
Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts: 285 - 08/02/2017 18:55:12
1953749
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Iamlegion666: "Well yes, of course if you take 2 of the best players in the country out of a team it won't be as good." Ahem :)
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 08/02/2017 20:25:35
1953798
Link
3
|
|
Replying To realdub: "Ahem :)" ........well, you have me there.
Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts: 285 - 08/02/2017 21:00:06
1953808
Link
1
|
|
The standard of Ulster football in general while still being competitive has dropped. They certainly aren't All Ireland contenders yet anyway. But I'd certainly agree on Mattie Donnelly. To me he has been consistently been in the best 3-4 footballers in the country for the last 3 years but doesn't get the recognition like Harte who is less consistent does. A class player
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/02/2017 08:15:00
1953878
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Dermoot: "Really have to agree with guys who say Tyrone are over-rated. Take Matty and Peter out of the team and Tyrone are average. The strongest area for Tyrone is their defensive system, possibly the best in the game at present, but that's it. There are no star forwards, no reliable free takers, dodgy keeper.
Ulster is winnable, all-ireland is Dubs or Kerry's." yes agreed, its very disappointing to see the same players named time and time again who have proved already they are incapable of rising to the occasion when the pressure is on. You cant train a person to have back bone.
cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 09/02/2017 11:45:18
1953932
Link
0
|
|
Replying To redhanddefender: "What a stupid post! Why comment on the game when you didn't see any of it? Pay your gaago fee man. Mattie Donnelly was taken off with concussion after about 3 touches. Peter Harte absolutely ran the show along with niall sludden!
Tyrone were disappointing, but always are in omagh tbh. I cannot see us beat Dublin Saturday night but I don't think that's a bad thing as long as we give them a game. where we are at is for the media to spin as they need a big northern bad guy to come down again. Dublin are the best around but even their arrogant fans (like the guy who started this thread) would like to see competition.
In all likelihood sean Cavanagh will be starting this year and taking frees from the right. The forward line hope is mark Bradley who was player of the year in tyrone last year. If he can transfer this to the county then a 2 man inside forward line of him and big cav should do the trick.
We have a hungry young team who seem dying to take another step forward. The mayo game last year would have taught them a lot, so will Saturday night.
Also what a gutless comment posting on the dub page that tyrone would win then coming on here saying they won't?? underlines that your comments are aimed to get a reaction" Stupid post? Hysterical coming from you redhand. I have obviously confused the Mc'kenna Cup final and league match - either way my point is valid about Mattie Donnelly being the stand out performer and a player most teams would want on their team. Your other comment about a gutless comment on another forum has me totally lost - have you been sniffing something?
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 09/02/2017 12:32:21
1953955
Link
0
|
|
Division two playing Tyrone of 2016 lost by one point to Mayo in the All-Ireland quarter-final. I don't think hype would have anything to do with how Tyrone felt afterwards. A feeling that they did not perform anywhere near their best and yet the game was there for the taking. I can't believe Mickey and the players won't have learnt from that. Performing against Division One teams this year should also bring the team on more. Tough Ulster championship matches will do them no harm either. The only teams that are better than Tyrone at the moment would appear to be Dublin and Kerry. It's a young team who should improve and I expect them to perform well on Saturday night.
Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 09/02/2017 13:21:17
1953971
Link
0
|
|
There's only one thing between Tyrone and a victory on Saturday night and that's the absence of Mattie Donnelly.
border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 09/02/2017 21:38:44
1954208
Link
1
|
|
Replying To redbomb: "from an other thread rather than hijack that I will reply here
"Irrespective of whether we are beaten on Saturday or not, This Tyrone team are over-rated at present. They played div 2 football in 2016, and won an Ulster title with a handy draw against a Derry in free fall, an decent but not brilliant Cavan team and Donegal who are on the decline since McGuinness left in my opinion. They where poor in the quarter final against Mayo. I still think that they rely too much on Sean Cavanagh and 1 or 2 others. Just don't understand the hype, I don't think they would cause any significant threat to the big three (Dubs, Kerry and Mayo) should they meet in the latter stages of the championship.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts:11784 - 07/02/2017 14:55:17
wayn so who have Dublin played of an note in the Leinster championship in the last 10 years or more what ever about the Derry game last year Cavan and Donegal are no push overs and would give any team as good a game as most.
and as for being bad against Mayo have you just forgot about the drawn AI final when it took 2 of the luckiest goals I have ever seen for Dublin to come anywhere near Mayo I can tell you now if that had of been Kerry or Tyrone you were playing there would have been no replay as both would not have been as afraid as Mayo to go and win the match.
So jump down off you high horse before there is a mighty fall
As for Tyrone being over hyped I think you will find it is mainly people outside the County hyping them up as most supports how go to the matches know what we are lacking and most of it has been said in this thread already.
Anyway looking forward to Saturday and hope both team play their strongest teams then we might see where we are really at" Dublin have won 4 All Urelands in the last 6 seasons . They have won the last 4 National Leagues. Tyrone have won 1 Ulster title since 2010. That was last year and they weren't exactly Invincible looking when they won Ulster last year . Tyrone are still lagging behind the top three . They have played both Mayo and Kerry in championship football recently and have lost both . They have only averaged a score of 13 points in those two games and will be without Connor McAliskey
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 09/02/2017 22:02:36
1954215
Link
1
|
|
I'd put Tyrone at No.3 behind Dublin and Kerry. That's not a bad position to be in and come championship they won't be far away. I know people will say it's only early days in the year but I seen something very different from Kerry last week. There was something about their play and attitude last week that tells me Dublin could have serious opposition this year for Sam. I remember getting that feeling when I watched our own county demolish Derry in Ballybofey in 2012 and look what happened that year.
We could be taking a trip back to the 70's for the next few years and unfortunately for Tyrone although they won't be far away I don't see them having the forward power to land the big prize.
Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 09/02/2017 22:02:48
1954216
Link
1
|
|
Replying To redbomb: "from an other thread rather than hijack that I will reply here
"Irrespective of whether we are beaten on Saturday or not, This Tyrone team are over-rated at present. They played div 2 football in 2016, and won an Ulster title with a handy draw against a Derry in free fall, an decent but not brilliant Cavan team and Donegal who are on the decline since McGuinness left in my opinion. They where poor in the quarter final against Mayo. I still think that they rely too much on Sean Cavanagh and 1 or 2 others. Just don't understand the hype, I don't think they would cause any significant threat to the big three (Dubs, Kerry and Mayo) should they meet in the latter stages of the championship.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts:11784 - 07/02/2017 14:55:17
wayn so who have Dublin played of an note in the Leinster championship in the last 10 years or more what ever about the Derry game last year Cavan and Donegal are no push overs and would give any team as good a game as most.
and as for being bad against Mayo have you just forgot about the drawn AI final when it took 2 of the luckiest goals I have ever seen for Dublin to come anywhere near Mayo I can tell you now if that had of been Kerry or Tyrone you were playing there would have been no replay as both would not have been as afraid as Mayo to go and win the match.
So jump down off you high horse before there is a mighty fall
As for Tyrone being over hyped I think you will find it is mainly people outside the County hyping them up as most supports how go to the matches know what we are lacking and most of it has been said in this thread already.
Anyway looking forward to Saturday and hope both team play their strongest teams then we might see where we are really at" Dublin have won 4 All Irelands in the last 6 seasons . They have won the last 4 National Leagues. Tyrone have won 1 Ulster title since 2010. That was last year and they weren't exactly Invincible looking when they won It . Tyrone are still lagging behind the top three . They have played both Mayo and Kerry in championship football recently and have lost both . They have only averaged a score of 13 points in those two games and will be without Connor McAliskey for this season . They are a fine team but people are right to question their All Ireland credentials .
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 09/02/2017 22:04:48
1954217
Link
1
|
|
I would love to be going to this match. The atmosphere will be great in Croke Park. If Mattie Donnelly had been on it was anybodys game.
border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 10/02/2017 20:05:23
1954510
Link
0
|
|
Replying To jimbodub: "Ultimate respect for Tyrone. A great Footballing county. Football mad, great setup.
They'll come with their A game and play to their strengths and will cause Dublin plenty of trouble
A very difficult game ahead and Dublin will have to be far more clinical compared to last weeks game
There will be plenty of defensive football from both teams
Lets hope Dublin's superior offensive options wins out after the grind." Spot on Jimbo.
An excellent challenge that will definitely brush off some of our cobwebs.
Tyrone would have had Mayo in their pocket last year if they released the shackles a bit.
Tyrone supporters beside me on the day were fuming by their lack of attacking threat in lieu of defensive football even when the game was theirs for the taking.
If Tyrone play the same way this year, they won't score enough to win silver wear IMO.
Looking forward to the game. Hopefully Jim will give some of our younger crop a chance to experience the challenge and atmosphere. It will only stand to them in the long run.
Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 10/02/2017 20:33:38
1954521
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Greengrass: "Dublin have won 4 All Irelands in the last 6 seasons . They have won the last 4 National Leagues. Tyrone have won 1 Ulster title since 2010. That was last year and they weren't exactly Invincible looking when they won It . Tyrone are still lagging behind the top three . They have played both Mayo and Kerry in championship football recently and have lost both . They have only averaged a score of 13 points in those two games and will be without Connor McAliskey for this season . They are a fine team but people are right to question their All Ireland credentials ." Well said greengrass. Tyrone are a fine team but they are a distant 4th at the moment. Lots to prove.
Jonnycee (Longford) - Posts: 185 - 11/02/2017 03:14:47
1954595
Link
0
|
|
I'm going to say that I think we can get a win here. We've no reason to think otherwise. The Dubs are great but winning streaks have to end at some point. Why not today. Tyrone to nick it by 1/2 points.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 11/02/2017 10:41:58
1954642
Link
0
|