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But lads ye could look at it another way I mean is it fair on the players in Dublin to have only 1 team to play for when ye could probably field 3/4 very good teams?
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 31/01/2017 22:47:00
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Replying To realdub: "Yes I don't buy into this crap that we're not that good because we're 'scraping' result in finals. I think it discredits very good Mayo and Kerry teams. This Kerry team is considered average just based on the fact that they're not winning numerous titles, Mayo are an excellent side. Donegal and Tyrone are dangerous.
Yet people say that this Dublin team is one the best team ever to watch when in full flow, so which is it lads?" Of course this a great Dublin team realdub,but i am a little surprised/dissapointed how we won all our 4 All Irelands by such narrow margins.I say this because we have such a strong team and blitzed many teams on the way to September's big day.
Of course we played two fine teams in those four finals in Mayo and Kerry but i would have expected one fairly comprehensive win in one of the four finals,at least.Thats what the great Kerry team of the '70s & '80s did to us and the Kerry team of the '00s did to Mayo.They exerted their dominance on the biggest day of the year and showcased all of their talents and some of the finals were done and dusted by half time.
Don't get me wrong,there's no happier Dub when the final whistle was blown in all our four recent wins,but i would just like if we turned up and blew a team away in a manner befitting the teams talent.Maybe we are just not good enough to do that.I think this team is capable of destroying a team on the big day but for whatever reason it just hasn't happened and we've scraped over the line on three occassions and even with our most dominant performance in the rain in '15 we were still living on our wits until the end v Kerry.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 31/01/2017 22:50:59
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "It's an exceptional Dublin team, as good as Tyrone and Kerry in the 00's for me. Imagine if this Dublin team had been around then! There would have been some battles.
I also do think they are benefiting from a generally weak field of opponents at the moment. Most of the chasing pack lack quality in key areas.
That's not a criticism btw. We know all about this in Kerry. Every All Ireland we have ever won was 'soft' or 'handy'. Best to laugh it off. You can only beat what is in front of you and all that." yeh well said
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 31/01/2017 23:48:16
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Replying To cuederocket: "Of course this a great Dublin team realdub,but i am a little surprised/dissapointed how we won all our 4 All Irelands by such narrow margins.I say this because we have such a strong team and blitzed many teams on the way to September's big day.
Of course we played two fine teams in those four finals in Mayo and Kerry but i would have expected one fairly comprehensive win in one of the four finals,at least.Thats what the great Kerry team of the '70s & '80s did to us and the Kerry team of the '00s did to Mayo.They exerted their dominance on the biggest day of the year and showcased all of their talents and some of the finals were done and dusted by half time.
Don't get me wrong,there's no happier Dub when the final whistle was blown in all our four recent wins,but i would just like if we turned up and blew a team away in a manner befitting the teams talent.Maybe we are just not good enough to do that.I think this team is capable of destroying a team on the big day but for whatever reason it just hasn't happened and we've scraped over the line on three occassions and even with our most dominant performance in the rain in '15 we were still living on our wits until the end v Kerry." Absolutely but I think it's credit to both Kerry and Mayo for curtailing us in the way they did, Kerry pushed us good when they tried to play ball, and if Mayo had even one class finisher (O'Connor is not far off but lacks pace) we might not be as dominant.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 31/01/2017 23:57:51
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Replying To cuederocket: "Of course this a great Dublin team realdub,but i am a little surprised/dissapointed how we won all our 4 All Irelands by such narrow margins.I say this because we have such a strong team and blitzed many teams on the way to September's big day.
Of course we played two fine teams in those four finals in Mayo and Kerry but i would have expected one fairly comprehensive win in one of the four finals,at least.Thats what the great Kerry team of the '70s & '80s did to us and the Kerry team of the '00s did to Mayo.They exerted their dominance on the biggest day of the year and showcased all of their talents and some of the finals were done and dusted by half time.
Don't get me wrong,there's no happier Dub when the final whistle was blown in all our four recent wins,but i would just like if we turned up and blew a team away in a manner befitting the teams talent.Maybe we are just not good enough to do that.I think this team is capable of destroying a team on the big day but for whatever reason it just hasn't happened and we've scraped over the line on three occassions and even with our most dominant performance in the rain in '15 we were still living on our wits until the end v Kerry." agreed, trying to think of what 'big teams' we have blown away in the championship...its mostly been get the job done stuff which we are great at
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 01/02/2017 00:19:43
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Replying To cuederocket: "Of course this a great Dublin team realdub,but i am a little surprised/dissapointed how we won all our 4 All Irelands by such narrow margins.I say this because we have such a strong team and blitzed many teams on the way to September's big day.
Of course we played two fine teams in those four finals in Mayo and Kerry but i would have expected one fairly comprehensive win in one of the four finals,at least.Thats what the great Kerry team of the '70s & '80s did to us and the Kerry team of the '00s did to Mayo.They exerted their dominance on the biggest day of the year and showcased all of their talents and some of the finals were done and dusted by half time.
Don't get me wrong,there's no happier Dub when the final whistle was blown in all our four recent wins,but i would just like if we turned up and blew a team away in a manner befitting the teams talent.Maybe we are just not good enough to do that.I think this team is capable of destroying a team on the big day but for whatever reason it just hasn't happened and we've scraped over the line on three occassions and even with our most dominant performance in the rain in '15 we were still living on our wits until the end v Kerry." Cue your wrong here cause Mayo of the 00's was a very average team that should never of been in all Ireland finals , they bet an average Dublin team in 06 a game they should never have won , were playing right now Mayo's greatest ever team there's no way you can hammer them with the brilliant defenders they have and Kerry are Kerry who ever hammers them? For me the 00's had Kerry Tyrone two great teams that were way ahead of the rest , the standard wasn't great back then either from 03 to 09 only Kerry or Tyrone won so what does that say about the rest??? As far as I can see there's only one or two teams ahead of the rest but this season there's 4 teams in the race for Sam and I'd say 5 cause you never know with Donegal when is the last time we've had 5 realistic teams chances of winning Sam?
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 01/02/2017 10:01:10
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Replying To realdub: "Absolutely but I think it's credit to both Kerry and Mayo for curtailing us in the way they did, Kerry pushed us good when they tried to play ball, and if Mayo had even one class finisher (O'Connor is not far off but lacks pace) we might not be as dominant." Yea,you say if Mayo had even one class finisher we may not have been as dominant.Well,you could say Dublin have had six lethal forwards over the last few years.And still,we are scraping past a team with barely one topclass,freescoring forward.This is part of the reaason why i'm a little surprised we haven't been able to dominate an All Ireland final as of yet.There is absolutely no comparison with our forwards and Mayo's,yet we have scraped home in our 2 All Irelands (3 incl draw) against them.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 01/02/2017 10:59:48
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Cue your wrong here cause Mayo of the 00's was a very average team that should never of been in all Ireland finals , they bet an average Dublin team in 06 a game they should never have won , were playing right now Mayo's greatest ever team there's no way you can hammer them with the brilliant defenders they have and Kerry are Kerry who ever hammers them? For me the 00's had Kerry Tyrone two great teams that were way ahead of the rest , the standard wasn't great back then either from 03 to 09 only Kerry or Tyrone won so what does that say about the rest??? As far as I can see there's only one or two teams ahead of the rest but this season there's 4 teams in the race for Sam and I'd say 5 cause you never know with Donegal when is the last time we've had 5 realistic teams chances of winning Sam?" Which Mayo forward line was better?The '00s team or todays version?Would todays Mayo team be guaranteed to beat the '00s team?
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 01/02/2017 11:22:41
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Cue your wrong here cause Mayo of the 00's was a very average team that should never of been in all Ireland finals , they bet an average Dublin team in 06 a game they should never have won , were playing right now Mayo's greatest ever team there's no way you can hammer them with the brilliant defenders they have and Kerry are Kerry who ever hammers them? For me the 00's had Kerry Tyrone two great teams that were way ahead of the rest , the standard wasn't great back then either from 03 to 09 only Kerry or Tyrone won so what does that say about the rest??? As far as I can see there's only one or two teams ahead of the rest but this season there's 4 teams in the race for Sam and I'd say 5 cause you never know with Donegal when is the last time we've had 5 realistic teams chances of winning Sam?" That Mayo forward line of the '00s had a young Alan Dillon,a young Andy Moran,C Mortimer and Ciaran MacDonald.A very decent forward unit.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 01/02/2017 11:38:22
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Replying To cuederocket: "That Mayo forward line of the '00s had a young Alan Dillon,a young Andy Moran,C Mortimer and Ciaran MacDonald.A very decent forward unit." Not many scores from play there Cue
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 01/02/2017 13:46:16
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Replying To Breffni39: "Not many scores from play there Cue" More than the current team i would say.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 01/02/2017 14:10:24
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Ewan McKenna is so wrong it will never happen, folks the minute we lose whenever this is In champo this splitting will be completely forgotten about and posters like ulsterman will tell you how this is just an average Dublin team that only won cause everyone else was useless.
One more thing jim Gavin picks his panel from more or less division 1 and 2 in Dublin , I know you all think 1.5 million Dublin people play Gaelic Football but trust me we don't." Ya clondalkin we're all aware that 1.5 million people in Dublin don't all play football but it's the same in Kerry 240,000 don't all play football either.
We have 60 clubs playing football in Kerry 2 of those clubs are crokes and stacks b teams .
Say for argument sake there is 30 players on each panel (and there isnt as most of the rural teams like valentia and knocnagoshel are nearly extinct ) that means Eamon fitz has 1800 players from which to chose his panel of 30/40 players.
Now Dublin have about 7 times our population and double maybe even triple the amount of clubs so that means Jim could have up to 5,400 players from which to pick his team,
Now there are lads that are getting over looked and lads from Dublin that are of intercounty standard that'll never get to play intercounty and that's wrong imo coz if Dublin was split in 2 or even 4 more lads would get a chance to show their skills on the biggest stage.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 01/02/2017 14:49:32
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Ya clondalkin we're all aware that 1.5 million people in Dublin don't all play football but it's the same in Kerry 240,000 don't all play football either.
We have 60 clubs playing football in Kerry 2 of those clubs are crokes and stacks b teams .
Say for argument sake there is 30 players on each panel (and there isnt as most of the rural teams like valentia and knocnagoshel are nearly extinct ) that means Eamon fitz has 1800 players from which to chose his panel of 30/40 players.
Now Dublin have about 7 times our population and double maybe even triple the amount of clubs so that means Jim could have up to 5,400 players from which to pick his team,
Now there are lads that are getting over looked and lads from Dublin that are of intercounty standard that'll never get to play intercounty and that's wrong imo coz if Dublin was split in 2 or even 4 more lads would get a chance to show their skills on the biggest stage." I've said it before and I'll say it again: POOR AUL KERRY
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 01/02/2017 15:03:33
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Replying To Breffni39: "I've said it before and I'll say it again: POOR AUL KERRY" Dont Cork have more clubs ?
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 01/02/2017 15:52:22
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Dont Cork have more clubs ?" Yes, Cork have the most clubs. Something in the region of 250.
lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 01/02/2017 16:25:50
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Replying To lilywhite1: "Yes, Cork have the most clubs. Something in the region of 250." If Bennybunny is correct (i've little doubt he is),Cork had,approx,500 at their Munster championship football game away to Tipp last year.That's roughly 2 people per club.Wow!
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 01/02/2017 16:52:35
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Another whinging thread
Amazing how nobody suggests reducing Celtic in Scotland the same country boyos are quite happy to don their Celtic colours and cheer them on against a load of micky mousers, sure the same boyos are quite happy cheering man utd who dwarf the majority of others in their resources for the last 20 years until a few rich foreigners bought clubs in England.
when all is said and done Jim Gavin can only pick 15 players to start the game and 11 others to have on the bench the same as any other county manager so having whatever number of club players means didlysquat, the same as having 60thousand supporters in the ground can't put the ball over the bar no matter how loud they cheer.
all the training equipment and fancy clubhouses and state of the art centres of excellence the country boyos have all invested in cannot give them the talent id it's not already there.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 01/02/2017 16:55:40
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Replying To cuederocket: "If Bennybunny is correct (i've little doubt he is),Cork had,approx,500 at their Munster championship football game away to Tipp last year.That's roughly 2 people per club.Wow!" That's about the same number of mayo supporters who stood at a match all year up until the all ireland final haha
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 01/02/2017 17:23:37
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Replying To hill16no1man: "That's about the same number of mayo supporters who stood at a match all year up until the all ireland final haha" And the hermit likes to remind us of the wonder of the Munster championship every now and then!Cork seemed to have a simiar miniscule support when they bowed out to Kildare in Semple in the qualifiers if i remember right.For such a big GAA county it's hard to believe those figures.Although,i wonder what Kerry contingentcwould travel to Waterford,Clare,Tipp or Limerick in Munster?Very small i'd say and to be honest i couldn't blame them as the four minnows have one provincial title between them in approx 80 years!Benny has a valid point about the lack of interest in so many provincial games by many,many fans.
I hope a few more come out to support Cork'sfootballers in their impressive looking new stadium.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 01/02/2017 17:56:49
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Replying To hill16no1man: "That's about the same number of mayo supporters who stood at a match all year up until the all ireland final haha" Well we could let ye have the stand(s) that are standing only and we will have the rest of croke park at standing prices. Happy?
Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 01/02/2017 17:56:55
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