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Will Leinster ever be competitive again?

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Over the past 3 seasons Dublin have played in 3 AI semi finals and 2 finals. Leaving out the replay in Limerick with Mayo, in them 5 fixtures they have an aggregate score of 0.
A draw, 3 wins (by 2 pts, 1 pt & 3pts) & a loss of 7 pts.
In general they haven't been able to hammer anyone outside of Leinster. They have not dominated in the way KK have previously. Therefore Dublin shouldn't be the argument here. It's the rest of the counties spectacular spiral down the pecking order
With all due respect to Tipp...there's only a handful of serious football people in the county and yet we weren't a million miles off getting to the final. What's the other counties at? The majority of Tipp players only play 3-4 club matches a year and some played none at all last year so Tipp isn't in a great place either. What's the likes of Meath at?

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 30/01/2017 16:58:34    1950198

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there are a few counties in Leinster who might want to embrace modern football and organise a bloody defence properly instead of whinging about hand passing and blankets. That would be a good start.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 30/01/2017 17:21:39    1950210

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Over the past 3 seasons Dublin have played in 3 AI semi finals and 2 finals. Leaving out the replay in Limerick with Mayo, in them 5 fixtures they have an aggregate score of 0.
A draw, 3 wins (by 2 pts, 1 pt & 3pts) & a loss of 7 pts.
In general they haven't been able to hammer anyone outside of Leinster. They have not dominated in the way KK have previously. Therefore Dublin shouldn't be the argument here. It's the rest of the counties spectacular spiral down the pecking order
With all due respect to Tipp...there's only a handful of serious football people in the county and yet we weren't a million miles off getting to the final. What's the other counties at? The majority of Tipp players only play 3-4 club matches a year and some played none at all last year so Tipp isn't in a great place either. What's the likes of Meath at?"
They destroyed Monaghan by 19 points, anyway Meath football has turned a corner seniors now been managed by Andy, the u21s winning Hastings cup manage by Barry O'Callaghan minors been taken over by colm coyle, lots of positive from Meath perspective, we let things slip no doubt, however we have rectified them, these will take time before competing for all ire title but it will happen. Also our intermediate champion wiped all before them in Leinster and yesterday put away Tyrone champion to face Westport in final. .Meath aren't gone away , dispite what many would hope.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/01/2017 17:52:58    1950221

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Unless Kildare or Meath can regroup and do something, the other 9 counties are so far behind Dublin that it is hardly believable.

Meath are on the right track. Kildare I am not sure. While I would like to think that there is some scope for entertainment and viewing in the Leinster championship, I believe that Meath are the only team capable of putting it up to the Dubs this year.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 30/01/2017 18:30:19    1950234

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Leinster is dead and 90% of future titles will go to the dubs. I still have hope there will be one upset every 10 years or so.

What needs to happen is remove Dublin from the province like Galway were removed from connaught. Rotate Dublin around the provinces.

So:
2017 they play in Munster
2018 they play in connaught
2019 in ulster
2020 back to leinster

And so on.

This way they can be as dominant as they like but they'll do no harm to leinster as a championship.

Other teams will improve big time as they've more to play for so the year Dublin do actually come back they'll get tougher games."
Great to see such a persistent defeatist attitude by a Meath man.

I am sure your fellow county men are proud of your posts...!

Take Dubs out of Croker, take the Dubs out of Leinster - sure take the Dubs out of the All Ireland series altogether.

Unbelievable repeat posts by certain posters.

You do your proud county no justice with your nonsense ideas.

But if you prefer Meath to win a Leinster title without the Dubs in it then oh how the Meath men have fallen...!

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3738 - 30/01/2017 18:52:11    1950279

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Replying To royaldunne:  "They destroyed Monaghan by 19 points, anyway Meath football has turned a corner seniors now been managed by Andy, the u21s winning Hastings cup manage by Barry O'Callaghan minors been taken over by colm coyle, lots of positive from Meath perspective, we let things slip no doubt, however we have rectified them, these will take time before competing for all ire title but it will happen. Also our intermediate champion wiped all before them in Leinster and yesterday put away Tyrone champion to face Westport in final. .Meath aren't gone away , dispite what many would hope."
If they ever give an award to the eternal optimist RD, then you are a nailed on certainty to win it. ...

Your posts light up this site and always keep us amused.

Fair play to you.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3738 - 30/01/2017 18:55:53    1950282

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Replying To royaldunne:  "They destroyed Monaghan by 19 points, anyway Meath football has turned a corner seniors now been managed by Andy, the u21s winning Hastings cup manage by Barry O'Callaghan minors been taken over by colm coyle, lots of positive from Meath perspective, we let things slip no doubt, however we have rectified them, these will take time before competing for all ire title but it will happen. Also our intermediate champion wiped all before them in Leinster and yesterday put away Tyrone champion to face Westport in final. .Meath aren't gone away , dispite what many would hope."
And judging by the tumbs down I getting plenty are beginning to realise we ain't gone away you know ;)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/01/2017 19:05:11    1950286

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Replying To royaldunne:  "They destroyed Monaghan by 19 points, anyway Meath football has turned a corner seniors now been managed by Andy, the u21s winning Hastings cup manage by Barry O'Callaghan minors been taken over by colm coyle, lots of positive from Meath perspective, we let things slip no doubt, however we have rectified them, these will take time before competing for all ire title but it will happen. Also our intermediate champion wiped all before them in Leinster and yesterday put away Tyrone champion to face Westport in final. .Meath aren't gone away , dispite what many would hope."
Trust me RD, I'd even put up with your giant ego ranting about all things Meath on here just to see them back to a 50/50 shot against their greatest rivals. I grew up on the great clashes of the early to mid 90's when you had a box office event in the GAA calendar in the early summer, it was hard to beat. I don't think anyone outside Dublin want to see Meath go away, there is just a frustration that an inferiority complex has set in and it needs to go if Leinster is to have a future worth looking at.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 30/01/2017 19:05:36    1950287

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I really believe that the Leinster renaissance will happen and that counties like Meath and Kildare will lead the way, they have guts and loads of pride.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1675 - 30/01/2017 20:59:24    1950337

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And what a justified inferiority complex it is too :D
You know I love you really RD xxx

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8597 - 30/01/2017 21:08:09    1950345

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "Trust me RD, I'd even put up with your giant ego ranting about all things Meath on here just to see them back to a 50/50 shot against their greatest rivals. I grew up on the great clashes of the early to mid 90's when you had a box office event in the GAA calendar in the early summer, it was hard to beat. I don't think anyone outside Dublin want to see Meath go away, there is just a frustration that an inferiority complex has set in and it needs to go if Leinster is to have a future worth looking at."
That day is coming, not this year unfortunately, maybe next but definitely after that. We are where we are due to short-sighted CB of the past, and to be honest arrogance and a we are Meath we will always be successful attitude, a failure to modernise. That has all changed but it will take time for it to see fruition at senior level

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/01/2017 22:05:14    1950368

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Replying To realdub:  "And what a justified inferiority complex it is too :D
You know I love you really RD xxx"
Ahh shooks I'm blushing:)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/01/2017 22:06:38    1950371

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They should just let the Leinster championship die. There is a great competition starting next week called the national league. Hand the Sam Maguire Cup out to whoever finishes top of Division 1. That is fair, because each team has to beat the best teams to win. It is fair because each team has to play the same number of games. 24 counties are excluded and that is also fair as their results show they are not good enough. Promotion/relegation allows them the opportunity to get promoted and provides them with games at their approximate level.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 30/01/2017 22:18:37    1950374

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In the future all I can see is Ulster and Leinster football championships remaining as Munster and Connacht will be cut lose from the GAA the same way Connacht and Ulster were cut lose in the hurling .
Kerry and cork footballers will go in to Leinster till Kerry just fade away from immigration and lack of work, and Galway mayo and Roscommon Sligo and Leitrim will go in to Ulster.
Munster hurling is like Ulster football it's really competitive so it will survive or be kept alive what ever way you want to look at it.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 30/01/2017 23:11:34    1950398

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "Agree a North Dublin v South Dublin Leinster final would be epic"
Would North Dublin supporters take over Hill 16?

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 30/01/2017 23:24:18    1950402

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I don't believe Leinster will be competitive again in the foreseeable future. Dublin will lose the odd one here and there due to complacency but it's their Championship now effectively.

I don't know what the answer is. Success breeds success and vice versa. Why would a good young player from Laois or Kildare stick with football over rugby or another sport knowing they will likely get pummelled every summer by the Dubs. Some of the Leinster games resemble light training matches at this stage. It needs more than funding to solve.

That said, Munster and Connaught are barely any better. The whole championship needs a rethink as there are very few provincial games worth watching outside of Ulster.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 31/01/2017 09:16:53    1950438

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "I don't believe Leinster will be competitive again in the foreseeable future. Dublin will lose the odd one here and there due to complacency but it's their Championship now effectively.

I don't know what the answer is. Success breeds success and vice versa. Why would a good young player from Laois or Kildare stick with football over rugby or another sport knowing they will likely get pummelled every summer by the Dubs. Some of the Leinster games resemble light training matches at this stage. It needs more than funding to solve.

That said, Munster and Connaught are barely any better. The whole championship needs a rethink as there are very few provincial games worth watching outside of Ulster."
complacency under jim gavin ? don't think so lad.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 31/01/2017 09:53:04    1950449

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I cannot see the Kildare or Meath coming back. There is a new generation that do not play Gaelic football. An idea would be as said, to put Connacht in Ulster, and Cork and Kerry in Leinster.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2522 - 31/01/2017 10:59:40    1950473

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Hard not to see dublin winning everything in leinster for a long time. i think there is nearly a mental block now by leinster counties, the dublin team keep wanting to score right up to final whistle the more goals the better, their is such competition for places that during a match foot is not took off pedal.
These years of beating and massive hammering has left the rest of leinster beaten before they even start the match against dublin. you can be sure that any other division 2,3, or 4 team from ireland that gets a hammering every second or third year would be in same boat as the leinster teams. I think same is beginning with some division 1 teams monaghan (when have they last won against dublin) and to a lesser extent donegal, cork they need to beat them soon or they they will fall into that trap.
At present only tyrone, kerry or mayo are team that are giving dublin a run for their money.
People might say tipperary or fermanagh or galway would give them a game, they might run the dubs close first year and maybe second year but after 3/4 years that would change to routine win for dublin.
In 80's all talk was about hard football in ulster and poorer standard, in 90's that changed to connacht being poor relations now it is leinster (exception dublin)
It is up to leinster counties to get finger out. each country setting realistic goals eg laois, meath kildare forget about glory days and all irelands or even a leinster but getting into division 1 and staying there
westmeath louth longford offaly getting to at least division 2 and then think about leinsters

madbull (Westmeath) - Posts: 195 - 31/01/2017 11:30:11    1950487

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Replying To galwayford:  "I cannot see the Kildare or Meath coming back. There is a new generation that do not play Gaelic football. An idea would be as said, to put Connacht in Ulster, and Cork and Kerry in Leinster."
what are they playing?..why are you so negative?..kildare doing very well at underage level, not producing good forwards consistently has always killed them

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 31/01/2017 11:40:41    1950493

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