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Will Leinster ever be competitive again?

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "The entire Dublin hurling n football squads don't get cars and that is a fact. A lot do just like in all the other counties I named but not them all. Your all freaked out about this money thing, you think at underage we have these coaches doing these crazy training sessions when it couldn't be further from the truth. My club underage teams is 90% the parents training them and half them parents haven't a clue about Gaelic football they just have their kids up there cause they think Gaa is a good environment to be in instead of their kids hanging around the streets."
I don't know any Meath players getting a car, could be wrong anyone know of any?

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/01/2017 10:52:54    1949679

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Any way I'm enrout to Armagh to watch cilles Leinster champion in all ire IC championship play, so it's not all doom and gloom in Meath.
Hon the blues

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/01/2017 10:56:03    1949680

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Agree with you there, Meath and Kildare at a disadvantage but still underachieving"
If Monaghan were in Leinster how would they fair? I think Monaghan and Meath are not far off each other.

Re funding I would suggest each county proposes a business plan to croke park the way the dubs have being doing it. There is no point in asking for hundreds of thousands without specifics involved.

I would also like to see a system of capitalization based on the AFL where last gets most and first gets least. That way, the league's a lot more competitive rather than a Celtic rangers style scenario.

Let's not forget sponsorship either. A county like Leitrim simply can't compete with mayo no matter how good their players are due to lack of funding and infrastructure.

There is a white elephant being finished in cork that will be filled once a year at a hurling match. 60 million would go a long way in other parts of the country for developing the game but it seems capitalism wins in the end in an amateur organization.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 29/01/2017 11:26:59    1949686

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Replying To galwaydublin:  "As a man, who spent the first fifteen years of his life in Dublin to galway parents, before moving to galway permanently, the issue isn't simply funding. I remember talking to my da 1 year after I moved in 1993 and saying that if Dublin ever go their act together, the rest of the country would have no hope. The funding goes primarily to coaching. Dublin GAA have 50 plus coaches, which is slightly less than the rest of the country combined. This imbalance needs to be addressed. What was done in Dublin could be done on a smaller scale in cork, Limerick, galway and especially Belfast.

I've for a long time thought their should be two or more county teams in Dublin. Can't see it happening in my lifetime. I think this would even strengthen the Dublin GAA, as the third string dubs who beat kildare shows how many good players there are in Dublin, but of playing for Dublin is an unrealistic goal. The dubs have such a pick, they don't even need to go to inter and junior clubs like every other county does. I don't think Dublin GAA has made a great effort in expanding the game into non traditional areas and very few new clubs are formed. This should be the focus of funding IMAO.

The final issue no one is talking about is the migration, and with it the genetic drain to Dublin. Think of all the future sons of current county players living in Dublin, and you only see Dublin becoming stronger. Which is why the only long term solution is to split them at the liffey, or along county council lines. You'd still have 2 to 4 excellent teams, would create new rivalries, and I think would add new life to the GAA. If two counties, both would have a bigger population than cork, if four, one would have the population of cork, and the other three of galway, which will only grow. At least leinster would be competitive."
Agree a North Dublin v South Dublin Leinster final would be epic

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 29/01/2017 12:00:49    1949699

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If the money isn't a factor why have the DCB publically being so staunch in defending it and stopping it being redirected elsewhere?

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BlueGolconda (Dublin) - Posts: 39 - 29/01/2017 13:08:19    1949718

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Replying To centerfield:  "Kildare have won 3 of the last 4 Leinster minor so should be scope to get competitive at senior there"
Minor is always tricky though,lads are at a delicate age etc,and many can leave in the next few years.U21 is always more of an indication.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 29/01/2017 14:25:31    1949736

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Coaches are proportionate to money available to pay them. Mayo have been better than Galway in recent years as a result of spending the money to fund the best setup possible in an amateur context. Talent wise there's been nothing much between them, just better development of that talent by Mayo. The Dubs have taken this to an even more professional level. With strong finding now and good use made of it Meath and Kildare will be able to compete again in 5 or 6 years.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 29/01/2017 15:01:18    1949740

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Relax minions, we're on the wane and Kildare's youth will take over soon enough.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8597 - 29/01/2017 15:35:38    1949749

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Not as long as the financial doping continues. The GAA are wakening up to the fact that Dublin's success is a monster of *their* creation. Now, they're trying to stop the rot before it goes too far. 11 Leinsters in the past 12 years. They'd won 1 in the previous 9.

Cully (Laois) - Posts: 375 - 29/01/2017 15:57:41    1949760

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Every city needs two teams Everton v Liverpool. Man United v Man City.

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 30/01/2017 06:32:33    1949967

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Replying To Cully:  "Not as long as the financial doping continues. The GAA are wakening up to the fact that Dublin's success is a monster of *their* creation. Now, they're trying to stop the rot before it goes too far. 11 Leinsters in the past 12 years. They'd won 1 in the previous 9."
Yeah it's all down to money and nothing to do with how rubbish the rest of Leinster is. Sure all the Leinster counties run amok in the leagues and qualifiers.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 30/01/2017 09:02:56    1949978

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36 players at a training camp in Kildare for the weekend while the 3rd/4th team hammer our 1st team in Drogheda. Not looking good for the other half of have nots. Could the number 5 + number 13 please transfer to us for the year pretty please as i heard theres not even room in the boot of the match bus for them when the league starts next week

kikfada (Louth) - Posts: 2091 - 30/01/2017 09:46:00    1949994

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Dublin Mayo Kerry Kilkenny tipperary Cork Galway Tyrone Donegal Clare off the top of my head I've seen them teams players with free cars so 5 is way off."
You are wrong about Cork. I can't speak for the others. Cork teams get a free van for 6 month - that 1 van for all teams.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 30/01/2017 10:19:07    1950009

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All those barren years between 95 and 2011, if only we'd known giving the players free use of a car was the answer. If garage owners down the country get wind of this, we'll never do the three in a row.

Mickmick (Dublin) - Posts: 104 - 30/01/2017 12:40:11    1950080

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Leinster is dead and 90% of future titles will go to the dubs. I still have hope there will be one upset every 10 years or so.

What needs to happen is remove Dublin from the province like Galway were removed from connaught. Rotate Dublin around the provinces.

So:
2017 they play in Munster
2018 they play in connaught
2019 in ulster
2020 back to leinster

And so on.

This way they can be as dominant as they like but they'll do no harm to leinster as a championship.

Other teams will improve big time as they've more to play for so the year Dublin do actually come back they'll get tougher games.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 30/01/2017 12:40:29    1950081

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Leinster is dead and 90% of future titles will go to the dubs. I still have hope there will be one upset every 10 years or so.

What needs to happen is remove Dublin from the province like Galway were removed from connaught. Rotate Dublin around the provinces.

So:
2017 they play in Munster
2018 they play in connaught
2019 in ulster
2020 back to leinster

And so on.

This way they can be as dominant as they like but they'll do no harm to leinster as a championship.

Other teams will improve big time as they've more to play for so the year Dublin do actually come back they'll get tougher games."
I would give anything for this to happen.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 30/01/2017 12:58:48    1950093

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Yeah it's all down to money and nothing to do with how rubbish the rest of Leinster is. Sure all the Leinster counties run amok in the leagues and qualifiers."
It's not all down to money I agree, certainly in Meath the eye was taken off the ball for too long, but money has helped widen the chasm between Dublin and the rest of that I have no doubt

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 30/01/2017 12:58:57    1950094

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Leinster is dead and 90% of future titles will go to the dubs. I still have hope there will be one upset every 10 years or so.

What needs to happen is remove Dublin from the province like Galway were removed from connaught. Rotate Dublin around the provinces.

So:
2017 they play in Munster
2018 they play in connaught
2019 in ulster
2020 back to leinster

And so on.

This way they can be as dominant as they like but they'll do no harm to leinster as a championship.

Other teams will improve big time as they've more to play for so the year Dublin do actually come back they'll get tougher games."
Then every Leinster Championship without Dublin will have an asterisk beside it like 2010. Effectively worthless.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12124 - 30/01/2017 13:38:16    1950108

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The Dublin County Board must be the biggest bunch of eejits to ever walk the face of the planet. And it must be said a dangerous diversion of resources for the country.

Because there they are every year killing themselves to squeeze every last bit of money out of the government and commercial deals and it all means absolutely nothing. Millions and millions of Euro and it doesn't help a bit. Hasn't helped to improve one footballer or hurler.

What a waste... surely then this money can then be used elsewhere for more deserving causes as apparently it is wasted on the GAA.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 30/01/2017 13:57:58    1950120

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Dublin shouldn't even come into this argument. Kildare and Meath in particular need to look at themselves. They took their eye off the ball and will pay for that for 20 years minimum

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 30/01/2017 16:15:12    1950178

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