(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post
|
Isn't the Dublin county championship already devalued considering that most teams are made up of intercounty players from across the country?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 25/01/2017 13:13:18 1948681 Link 0 |
|
Just 1 question for you?? Where do you think Inter county players come from? ...,the moon? If you don't have decent club football you won't have county players. That's proven with both Fermanagh and Cavan. Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 25/01/2017 13:30:32 1948689 Link 0 |
|
Most teams is an exaggeration, some of the top teams absolutely have inter county players , you will find my own club which plays senior does not and I could name many others. Dublin championship is a fantastic competition as it stands , there is a haves and have nots and you do get the odd hiding miss match , however back to original point , I said you devalue a competition without inter county players , that goes for all counties , leaving Dublin aside for one moment do you agree or disagree???? Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 25/01/2017 13:32:47 1948690 Link 0 |
|
There were some great games in the Dublin championship this year with big crowds too. What's devalued about a championship where the winners are already in the all Ireland club semi??? I'd take that in my county.. you would too! Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 25/01/2017 13:35:28 1948693 Link 0 |
|
Of course you need your inter county players for club championship. And they want to play too. If the club championship went knockout it would ease the pressure on county players. Let's face Duffy and co are not going to reduce the number of Inter county matches for fear of losing money despite big TV Deals. So it's up to the CPA to reboot the club scene and make it exciting by playing knockout. After all what club player living or working away want to go back home for a meaningless round robin championship game at 8pm on a Sunday night? It's no wonder club players are transferring left right and centre. Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 25/01/2017 13:58:18 1948706 Link 0 |
|
Surely you are devaluing it by playing it in October? But if you rush through the current championship structure you are taking the game away from the public. When you rush through the All ireland championship you are taking the game out of the public eye. I know it's not a popular thing to say but the county is more important than the club when it comes to money and getting kids to fall in love with the game. How many kids pretend to be Bernard Brogan or the Gooch when playing in the back garden? How many pretend to be a local lad in the club? If you work somewhere with people who have just a passing interest in gaelic games ask them who the current All Ireland champions in club and county. I know which one they will know. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 25/01/2017 16:00:41 1948748 Link 0 |
|
Play club championships as straight knockout and people complain that there are not enough meaningful games for the club player. There is no solution that gets anywhere near pleasing everyone, but clubs could definitely be doing more to help themselves.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 25/01/2017 16:17:58 1948750 Link 0 |
|
Some of the most exciting matches of the year are club games aired on TG4 in October and November. Imagine the standard if they were played during the Summer. How many inter county matches in hurling or football this year had you on the edge of your seat? And I can guarantee you there are plenty of kids who aspire to be a player from their club who they pass on the street and he might say hello to him and call him by his name. I've seen it. They dont have to be county players. Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 25/01/2017 16:31:37 1948752 Link 0 |
|
If the club Championships revert back to knockout then you will have the situation wherby many club teams throughout the country only get one Championship game in the summer. Even within the present system most counties are managing to run off their clubs Championships on time. Incidentally are there any counties where the club championship is run on a knockout basis?
lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 25/01/2017 16:36:01 1948754 Link 0 |
|
Fermanagh is ran on a knockout basis
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 25/01/2017 17:01:51 1948758 Link 0 |
|
Antrim and I think Dublin too. I don't see why group games can't be accommodated anyway. If you end the All Ireland by the August bank holiday you have 20 weekends before Christmas to play off the remaining club championship fixtures. It's very doable to run off club championship in that timeframe. Dual clubs/counties do complicate it a little bit. I personally don't see a problem in a dual player having 2 games a weekend. It's their choice to play both codes. I think county boards are sometimes too concerned with trying to accommodate every eventuality and forget about trying to get a system that works for the vast majority of players. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 25/01/2017 17:39:52 1948775 Link 0 |
|
Kids may want to be the Gooch they may want to be B Brogan those same kids also want to be Messi and Ronaldo , fact is my club are in the senior club championship in Dublin , we probably will never win it , but our lads train savage to be as competitive as they can be and come championship time as opposed to the league they get to test themselves against the best , its because there is total quality that club championship games in Dublin are so well attended , I know many a person attends Vincent's games just to watch Connolly . You are right about one thing playing it in Oct and running it over 6 weeks is wrong , but that's a county board thing and needs addressing which is why I am pro CPA Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 25/01/2017 17:46:33 1948778 Link 1 |
|
Fermanagh have 8 Senior club teams. They started their Senior Championship on 27th August despite going out of the qualifiers on 9th July? Any particular reason for the delay do you know? Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 25/01/2017 17:50:03 1948781 Link 0 |
|
Because like most counties our county board is a backwards shower.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 25/01/2017 17:57:04 1948782 Link 0 |
|
But for me I can't see why the club championship isn't played in the summer without the county players. When they are knocked out they can slot into the club teams if they are still in the championship. If a players isn't named in the matchday 26 he should be released back to his club and allowed to play in any games. Do all on the Dublin panel play Senior club football or do some of them play Junior or Intermediate? Could the championships not go on without these 26 players? Club players are getting game time, the elite are testing themselves against the best. I would agree with you that there are plenty of people that pay in to see Connolly play football, he's an outstanding talent and worth admission fee on his own. But if you condense the intercounty season you are denying people the opportunity to see these players in the flesh more often. The last two years I have attended ulster semi finals that Fermanagh were not playing in. I did so in order to see some of the best players play at the minute. There are numerous other people who do the same as I do. If you were to move the two semis to the same day or time you wouldn't get that option. For me it's a no brainer to keep the championship going throughout the summer. It's our best product, no competition and it is what leaves the greatest impression on kids, the future of the organisation. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 25/01/2017 18:18:10 1948787 Link 0 |
|
I don't understand why it's needed to have county players not play club championship. Play club league during the inter county season. Regular club players still get regular games. April is as good a time as August/September for intercounty football. Use it instead and leave more room for club championship. The GAA solution and its removal of replays, reduction of the provincial championships and bringing forward of the AI finals is a decent start by the way. The group stage part of it I don't like. I've been told that it's only in there to try to encourage provincial councils to move towards group games for their competitions. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 25/01/2017 18:59:34 1948797 Link 1 |
|
In Cavan from the 7th of May until the 24th July there was only 1,weekend when club matches were played. Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 25/01/2017 19:24:01 1948799 Link 0 |
|
The argument I keep hearing is that we let the minority dictate the fixtures for the majority because they are playing at an elite level. That's fair enough point and I can see the point people are making. Yet a lot of the posters on here are saying we should rush through our best product to suit the needs of the elite. Is the CPA to represent the average Joe or is it to make sure that county players play in the club championship. I know if i had busted my hole the whole year, playing crappy league games on wet days just to give up my spot when a county lad comes I wouldn't be best pleased. If the CPA is representing the average club man they need to actually represent them, not the clubs, and not the county players. That's just the way i see it lads, I'm fairly sure no one else agrees with me on it but hey isn't that life. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 25/01/2017 19:36:32 1948802 Link 1 |
|
Plenty Dublin Kerry Last 10 mins of ulster final Two all ireland finals Tyrone Mayo gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 25/01/2017 19:40:18 1948803 Link 0 |
|
The point you are missing gotmilk is that most lads would rather play with their brothers, cousins and schoolmates on the club team than with lads they may not know or like on the county team. I'd say Antrim would struggle to field a hurling team if you told the players they couldn't play club, and it would be a similar story in many counties. Your suggestion would end the competitions you are most keen to save.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 25/01/2017 20:09:22 1948808 Link 0 |