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Replying To TheUsername: "Think this will be great for the Southeide Gaa, Jude's, Ballyboden, Crokes and Cuala as clubs have come so far in 15 years and the profile of the game on the Southeide has never been better. South/West county Dublin has by far the youngest population in range and has Lucan, Clondalkin and Tallaght on and the new budegoning communities far out on the Southside. It's doorstep. Imagine even just raising the profile of the game in Tallaght and having access to this facility, which is 10 min drive from this site, Tallaght has a population of 103.000 the area has produced many world class sports stars and yet GAA in the area is arguabley very underdeveloped. I don't want to turn this into a north side, southside debate as it's not but the GAA has a strong historical presence and success on the northeide, arguably the greater rate of development and growth has been on the southside. If that can be developed further and say the profile of the game takes on the likes of soccer, Boxing, MMA, in West Dublin in Tallaght, Lucan and Clondalkin and Rugby on the far South it would be hugely beneficial to Dublin GAA." I would suggest funding clubs, equipment and young players in these areas would be far more beneficial in growing the games there bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 20/01/2017 22:13:27 1947479 Link
Replying To bad.monkey: "I would suggest funding clubs, equipment and young players in these areas would be far more beneficial in growing the games there" The site itself is likely to be an amenity in itself that will on some score be inclusive of the local community, i dont think developing this and supporting the community and club game as mutually exclusive. The site is huge. Imagine a homecoming here with Sam in the bag and every kid for a 50 mile radius in the grounds. They would have to shut down all to schools in Tallaght that day. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 20/01/2017 22:54:36 1947485 Link
there is a stadium just a mile away. Tallaght stadium, awful pity they did'nt make it big enough for GAA. Bit of a waste of resources if you ask me. I like the golf driving range in the Spawell. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 21/01/2017 18:44:03 1947588 Link
there is a stadium just a mile away. Tallaght stadium, awful pity they did'nt make it big enough for GAA. Bit of a waste of resources if you ask me. I like the golf driving range in the Spawell. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 21/01/2017 18:44:04 1947589 Link
Replying To galwayford: "there is a stadium just a mile away. Tallaght stadium, awful pity they did'nt make it big enough for GAA. Bit of a waste of resources if you ask me. I like the golf driving range in the Spawell." Is that range still open? I used to play pitch and putt there it was a good spot Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 21/01/2017 19:07:01 1947594 Link
I think Dublin must sell Parnell park. They don't need all these stadia. What a waste of money not making the Aviva not big enough for GAA! What a waste. I think it would be good if the GAA could get a Football club to help with the costs. Or maybe put an athletics track around it to help it out financially. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 21/01/2017 20:18:10 1947605 Link
Replying To galwayford: "I think Dublin must sell Parnell park. They don't need all these stadia. What a waste of money not making the Aviva not big enough for GAA! What a waste. I think it would be good if the GAA could get a Football club to help with the costs. Or maybe put an athletics track around it to help it out financially." How of earth would an athletics track help it financially? Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 21/01/2017 21:17:11 1947628 Link
I do wonder whether the County Board have a business model that includes alternative events for any planned new ground for additional increased revenue streams. You would have to think a 25k stadium in Dublin would be ideal for hosting big Europa league games like Dundalk had this year or big concerts, certainly this is something that possibly looks more than feasible in Dublin. Just a thought but additional revenue streams a new ground might create may be complementary to the coffers and supporting grassroots than first meets the eye. Additionally with the profile and how in vogue Dublin GAA is these days there might be capacity for corporate facilites, conference facilites etc. may prove to be money spinner. There are avenues open to Dublin in terms of revenue from a facility like this to create revenue that would be difficult for any other GAA ground to do, given its location. I also wonder whether the capacity might be increased beyond 25k seems the 25k figure is based on the original idea in the first bidding process, might be different now. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 21/01/2017 21:51:49 1947635 Link
My concern about this proposed stadium is (never mind the cost) the amount of the available acres that is going to have to be used for car parking. Bear in mind there is no public transport in the area nor likely to be so it is cars/cars and more cars. Note the Tallaght exit of the M50 is a disaster zone imagine what it will be like with 5,000+ cars streaming in onto a slip road and controlled roundabout that allows about 6 cars through at a time! I am inclined to believe this is money being poorly spent, so much else could be done with that type of capitol. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 22/01/2017 19:13:43 1947805 Link
I don't think the Dublin board have thought this one through. Galway tried to build a training facility with Mountain South and it nearly bankrupted them. To me the GAA should wait. Wait to see if the Government will help build it. Also why not set up a new GAA club instead? I think they should wait. Parnell park must be sold if this is to go ahead in my opinion. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 22/01/2017 19:57:36 1947838 Link
Replying To arock: "My concern about this proposed stadium is (never mind the cost) the amount of the available acres that is going to have to be used for car parking. Bear in mind there is no public transport in the area nor likely to be so it is cars/cars and more cars. Note the Tallaght exit of the M50 is a disaster zone imagine what it will be like with 5,000+ cars streaming in onto a slip road and controlled roundabout that allows about 6 cars through at a time! I am inclined to believe this is money being poorly spent, so much else could be done with that type of capitol." Bear in mind there is no public transport in the area nor likely to be... That's absolute nonsense! The Spawell is serviced by bus routes 54A, 65, 65B, 150 and165. Its not fantastic but far from "no public transport". The Luas will drop you a 45 minute walk away. Again, not great but, for perspective, roughly twice the distance from the DART and Luas to Croke Park. Note the Tallaght exit of the M50 is a disaster zone... Speaking as someone who passes that exit twice daily, its far from the worst exit and far from a "disaster". You're also (I assume) considering it at peak rush hour times and its highly unlikely any major game played at the Spawell will be anytime close to rush hour. The M50 hosts a little over 120,000 cars daily. Is your projection of 5,000+ cars (about 4%) going to make a significant difference? There are effectively 4 ways to the Spawell complex - from the north, south, east and west. North / south has probably the best facility in the country for accessing the area, the M50. West has the Tallaght Road, which is 3 lanes wide. East has the Templeogue Road, also 3 lanes wide. Is it fair to argue that this site could be the best available in terms of access infrastructure in the county, possibly in the country? *...streaming in onto a slip road and controlled roundabout that allows about 6 cars through at a time...* Have our ever actually taken exit 11 heading southbound? Its a slip road with no traffic lights that allows access, providing the Tallaght Road (east of the M50) allows it. The "controlled roundabout" argument is completely erroneous. I don't think for a second that traffic will not be an issue but I think the issues are being greatly exaggerated. There are loads of stadia across the country that have access issues - PUC, Gaelic Grounds, Casement Park, Salthill, etc. I would argue there are several stadia with greater access problems. Are there many with better access facilities? I'd like to hear which ones. Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 22/01/2017 23:53:03 1947938 Link
That's twice I've been to newbridge for O Byrne cup games and it's been jammed with dubs making it a great atmosphere even doh it's in the middle of the town that makes for woeful traffic yet I seen all the Dubs there today loving it yet some dubs on here don't want a new stadium built cause traffic might be bad or cause regent haven't got their own pitch or there's not enough hurling walls or Gaa clubs , give m a break build the new staduim and the Dubs will come. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 23/01/2017 00:03:11 1947939 Link
Replying To Kurt_Angle: "Bear in mind there is no public transport in the area nor likely to be... That's absolute nonsense! The Spawell is serviced by bus routes 54A, 65, 65B, 150 and165. Its not fantastic but far from "no public transport". The Luas will drop you a 45 minute walk away. Again, not great but, for perspective, roughly twice the distance from the DART and Luas to Croke Park. Note the Tallaght exit of the M50 is a disaster zone... Speaking as someone who passes that exit twice daily, its far from the worst exit and far from a "disaster". You're also (I assume) considering it at peak rush hour times and its highly unlikely any major game played at the Spawell will be anytime close to rush hour. The M50 hosts a little over 120,000 cars daily. Is your projection of 5,000+ cars (about 4%) going to make a significant difference? There are effectively 4 ways to the Spawell complex - from the north, south, east and west. North / south has probably the best facility in the country for accessing the area, the M50. West has the Tallaght Road, which is 3 lanes wide. East has the Templeogue Road, also 3 lanes wide. Is it fair to argue that this site could be the best available in terms of access infrastructure in the county, possibly in the country? *...streaming in onto a slip road and controlled roundabout that allows about 6 cars through at a time...* Have our ever actually taken exit 11 heading southbound? Its a slip road with no traffic lights that allows access, providing the Tallaght Road (east of the M50) allows it. The "controlled roundabout" argument is completely erroneous. I don't think for a second that traffic will not be an issue but I think the issues are being greatly exaggerated. There are loads of stadia across the country that have access issues - PUC, Gaelic Grounds, Casement Park, Salthill, etc. I would argue there are several stadia with greater access problems. Are there many with better access facilities? I'd like to hear which ones." Kurt....please STOP;...this is the internet....talking sense has been banned and since we are in the Age of Trump facts do not count!! witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 23/01/2017 09:04:38 1947956 Link
Kurt angle don't know where you get your figures from, it's 159 thousand a day currently using the m50 not 120 thousand. with the average number of users having risen 20% in the last four years, it's currently at crisis levels hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/01/2017 10:29:08 1947995 Link
I can't get my head around this ,Dublin posters don't Won't a stadium built cause of bad traffic are you's listening to what your posting? clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 23/01/2017 11:08:31 1948015 Link
Replying To hill16no1man: "Kurt angle don't know where you get your figures from, it's 159 thousand a day currently using the m50 not 120 thousand. with the average number of users having risen 20% in the last four years, it's currently at crisis levels" Apologies Hill, you are correct. I got my figures from here: link. This is about 15 months old but I thought it'd be broadly accurate still. This article corroborates your figures: link. M50 toll figures suggest a bit less, link, though obviously not every M50 user will pass through the toll gate. There's two ways of interpreting these figures, which could be used for both sides of the argument: i) There's even higher levels of traffic about so a stadium off the M50 will be even more affected or ii) The actual percentage of people using the M50 for purposes of accessing the Spawell is relatively lower, compared to overall figures. I guess the "for" and "against" camps will interpret these figures to suit their own agendas. Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 23/01/2017 11:11:40 1948019 Link
kurt im not a for or against any stadium in the country im just looking at the logic of it and for me this proposal just dont add up for gaa reasons. it looks as if they would be renting out a lot of the land they bought to make money off it so if its only a stadium being built surely more than 25 thousand capacity would be needed considering we already get that average at league games currently over last 5 years in croker. you dont want to be putting people off going to games we want to be incouraging more people to attend games. croke park offers that chance to grow even further over the next five years. also if wayno is correct with an all seater stadium plans that would be a disaster for the thousands of supporters who have terrace passes and attend all games on terraces home and away for dublin. hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/01/2017 11:34:12 1948030 Link
Replying To hill16no1man: "kurt im not a for or against any stadium in the country im just looking at the logic of it and for me this proposal just dont add up for gaa reasons. it looks as if they would be renting out a lot of the land they bought to make money off it so if its only a stadium being built surely more than 25 thousand capacity would be needed considering we already get that average at league games currently over last 5 years in croker. you dont want to be putting people off going to games we want to be incouraging more people to attend games. croke park offers that chance to grow even further over the next five years. also if wayno is correct with an all seater stadium plans that would be a disaster for the thousands of supporters who have terrace passes and attend all games on terraces home and away for dublin." Fair enough. I'd agree that the 25,000 limit does appear a little unambitious. You'd think increasing it by 5 or 10 thousand might be more in line with current and future demand. I'd really like to hear the reasoning behind the decision to make it 25k and not higher. I'd also agree that not including a terraced section would be a negative for a variety of reasons - fan preference, season tickets, atmosphere etc. I wonder are the proposed designs written in stone or if there is potential for change? Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 23/01/2017 12:07:34 1948046 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "I can't get my head around this ,Dublin posters don't Won't a stadium built cause of bad traffic are you's listening to what your posting?" Some posters don't think the proposed stadium should be built at the Spawell for a variety of reasons. Some even don't think there's a need for the stadium to be built at all. These reasons have been written down quite clearly in their posts, on this thread, that you are posting on. If you want to get your head around those reasons I'd suggest reading what people have written down, on this thread that you've already read it seems. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13711 - 23/01/2017 12:08:10 1948047 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "I can't get my head around this ,Dublin posters don't Won't a stadium built cause of bad traffic are you's listening to what your posting?" "I can't get my head around this" Nobody really expects you to. Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 23/01/2017 12:20:26 1948051 Link