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Spawell site for Dublin Gaa?

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So instead of a 25 thousand seater stadium you want hurling walls ha ok. I think we've more than enough of the rest to be fair to all clubs.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 19/01/2017 17:23:40    1947074

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Replying To Richieq:  "Where would the money be better spent? According to Pauric Duffy there shouldn't be a club in Dublin under financial pressure thanks to "the Bert", if he had his way ye would probably be playing league matches in the equally cavernous "Bertie Bowl". Dublin have sponsorship deals that no other county will ever come close too and some Dublin clubs have sponsorship deals that some county boards would be envious of, ye have the same shirt sponsor as the All Blacks for Christ sake yet you have no fit for purpose home stadium!! I'm sure the money used to rent out Croke Park could be better spent to, add all that up and I'd say you would have the price of the groundwork and foundations at least."
Did Páraic Duffy actually say that?

Plenty of clubs under huge financial strain in Dublin, just like everywhere else.

I'd imagine that the rent of Croker is well covered for league matches. A Spawell stadium also caps our growth for home league match attendances to 25k. We've gotten more than that for league matches in the past and should be ambitious enough to try and grow league attendances across the country imo. Croker is also in a much more easily accessible location than the Spawell. The Spawell has little or no public transport links which means jumping in the car is the only option for the majority of people going to the games, that makes Saturday night matches much less attractive for a lot of people, particularly the 16-30 demographic many of whom do not drive and also want to head out in town on a Sat night.

They are key as they become the next generation of parents bringing kids to clubs/matches and a demographic that tends to move away from sport.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13711 - 19/01/2017 17:50:28    1947090

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "So instead of a 25 thousand seater stadium you want hurling walls ha ok. I think we've more than enough of the rest to be fair to all clubs."
Towers might be going well and have great facilities but that doesn't mean every club is.

We should also be looking at growing the numbers of clubs in the city and county.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13711 - 19/01/2017 17:52:19    1947092

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Replying To Mickmick:  "It's 35 acres believe it or not, footprints of Croke Park and Aviva are both about 16-17 acres. Plenty of room for training pitches and Coach park. You might even squeeze in a hotel and conference facilities on it to help pay for the stadium.

The site's big problem is it's very far away from the Luas or DART lines."
The lack of public transport links to the Spawell is a major drawback, especially for Saturday night League matches.

Everyone will have to drive out to it.

Any major project like this should be aiming to encourage people out of their cars not into them!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13711 - 19/01/2017 18:23:11    1947105

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So instead of building s 25 seater staduim you want towers to get better facilities? your a good man Mes.

So you want to increase the Gaa in Dublin and building a 25 thousand seater staduim in south Dublin wouldn't help that?

Some bs reasons imo Mes , your just against cause it's not on your doorstep.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 19/01/2017 18:28:00    1947107

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Did Páraic Duffy actually say that?

Plenty of clubs under huge financial strain in Dublin, just like everywhere else.

I'd imagine that the rent of Croker is well covered for league matches. A Spawell stadium also caps our growth for home league match attendances to 25k. We've gotten more than that for league matches in the past and should be ambitious enough to try and grow league attendances across the country imo. Croker is also in a much more easily accessible location than the Spawell. The Spawell has little or no public transport links which means jumping in the car is the only option for the majority of people going to the games, that makes Saturday night matches much less attractive for a lot of people, particularly the 16-30 demographic many of whom do not drive and also want to head out in town on a Sat night.

They are key as they become the next generation of parents bringing kids to clubs/matches and a demographic that tends to move away from sport."
Jumping into the car is the only option for a lot of people in 31 other counties, for league and championship matches, I'm a Meath supporter living in Donegal imagine what I have to do to get to most matches and I still do it because I love doing it, mg attendance at matches has never been determined by how handy or otherwise it is to get to the venue. I guarantee you in a few years Lucan will have all the public transport you want, a damn site quicker than other parts of the country. You want the use of the GAA national stadium in an area with the best public transport over developing your own county ground!! You really want your cake and to eat it too, Dublin GAA will not grow short of supporters, it wasn't short in the dark days and won't be short in the future and the vast majority of league matches and indeed first round championship matches for Dublin will fit into a 25K capacity stadium as recent attendance trends show, anyway look that's my opinion many may agree and many disagree but I think this is an ideal project for Dublin if it can go ahead

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 19/01/2017 18:46:05    1947114

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "So instead of building s 25 seater staduim you want towers to get better facilities? your a good man Mes.

So you want to increase the Gaa in Dublin and building a 25 thousand seater staduim in south Dublin wouldn't help that?

Some bs reasons imo Mes , your just against cause it's not on your doorstep."
That's the same BS you came out with before Clondalkin.

I don't care that it's not on my doorstep. You know that.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13711 - 19/01/2017 18:52:10    1947117

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Replying To Richieq:  "Jumping into the car is the only option for a lot of people in 31 other counties, for league and championship matches, I'm a Meath supporter living in Donegal imagine what I have to do to get to most matches and I still do it because I love doing it, mg attendance at matches has never been determined by how handy or otherwise it is to get to the venue. I guarantee you in a few years Lucan will have all the public transport you want, a damn site quicker than other parts of the country. You want the use of the GAA national stadium in an area with the best public transport over developing your own county ground!! You really want your cake and to eat it too, Dublin GAA will not grow short of supporters, it wasn't short in the dark days and won't be short in the future and the vast majority of league matches and indeed first round championship matches for Dublin will fit into a 25K capacity stadium as recent attendance trends show, anyway look that's my opinion many may agree and many disagree but I think this is an ideal project for Dublin if it can go ahead"
I understand that jumping in the car is your only option.

However this stadium is in Dublin and we should look to use that to our advantage. I don't see what's wrong with that.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13711 - 19/01/2017 18:54:12    1947119

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Spent better on what? Please don't say coaches. Country folk go nuts that we play all our games in Croker now we're building our own stadium your still not happy? The centre of excellence won't happen there so I don't get why some posters are jumping on what the article said " may cater for more than just a staduim , with talk of a centre of excellence " ah sure that means it's a definite plus there's only enough land there for a staduim no way would you fit 4 or 5 pitches out there as well"
John Costello previously & Liam Rushe this evening are on record in mentioning it as a base for a centre of excellence so hopefully that answers that question for you. Secondly its a 35 acre site, five playing fields is 10 acres, a 25,000 stadium is similar to Nowlan Park whose footprint is less than 10 acres so that's 25 acres out of 35 allowing for other development & parking. Interestingly my suggestion of Dublin using Abbotstown was mentioned by Liam Rushe this evening & he said they had difficulty getting slots there. That is disgraceful & an indictment on Croke Park, it's another development that will be a white elephant if it's not used by the immediate population base around it. Let's be honest Spawell is not in the bag yet as the investment fund managed by Davy's that bought it will want to turn a profit on their original investment, so in the meantime Abbotstown should be leased to Dublin. As for Parnell Park been too small, it's big enough for Dublin hurling league matches & the footballers have sold out Croke park on a few occasions on opening league night & broken 30,000 capacity on a good few occasions, so a new 25,000 stadium could be obsolete very quickly. I have been to both on multiple occasions. I understand that most people on here are big county team fans & only care about that aspect, but surely Dublin of all places with massive population growth & many disadvantaged areas needs investment in kids & games & help for clubs, not for stadiums.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 19/01/2017 20:02:47    1947140

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Why so many moaners about Dublin building a stadium? If Dublin want to build another stadium then leave them at it. It is no other Counties business. If you ask me they need a higher capacity ground.

pkboher (Cork) - Posts: 49 - 19/01/2017 20:36:45    1947155

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Interestingly my suggestion of Dublin using Abbotstown was mentioned by Liam Rushe this evening & he said they had difficulty getting slots there. That is disgraceful & an indictment on Croke Park, it's another development that will be a white elephant if it's not used by the immediate population base around it.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts:301 - 19/01/2017 20:02:47

The immediate population base around it also includes a number of clubs in Kildare and Meath, schools and third level teams. If Dublin are finding it hard to get slots there then I'd imagine that's only because it's heavily booked and they aren't getting preference on the times they want.

If that's the case then it's the complete opposite of disgraceful, the GAA facilities at Abbotstown are there for any club / team to avail of. The more use it's getting the better, if it was just left solely for Dublin to use then there'd be a problem.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 19/01/2017 21:10:51    1947172

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Replying To if_in_doubt:  "Interestingly my suggestion of Dublin using Abbotstown was mentioned by Liam Rushe this evening & he said they had difficulty getting slots there. That is disgraceful & an indictment on Croke Park, it's another development that will be a white elephant if it's not used by the immediate population base around it.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts:301 - 19/01/2017 20:02:47

The immediate population base around it also includes a number of clubs in Kildare and Meath, schools and third level teams. If Dublin are finding it hard to get slots there then I'd imagine that's only because it's heavily booked and they aren't getting preference on the times they want.

If that's the case then it's the complete opposite of disgraceful, the GAA facilities at Abbotstown are there for any club / team to avail of. The more use it's getting the better, if it was just left solely for Dublin to use then there'd be a problem."
Wouldn't be an issue with schools as they would be using it mostly during school hours so it would be available. Third level colleges have better set ups than Dublin, Dublin use DCU a lot & again most colleges games at third level are during the day, so no clash. What are clubs ftom Meath & Kildare putting up travelling costs on their clubs & adding to traffic congestion heading for Abbotstown when Meath have a fantastic centre of excellence in Dungany Trim themselves with all the facilities right beside them ? the same with Kildare with the new €3.5 Million development open at Hawkfield. That's the big problem in the Gaa, I'm alright Jack attitude. The nonsense of Dublin building a centre of excellence costing millions when Abbotstown is already there, is obscene. All capital projects are for stadiums & centres of excellence whilst clubs around the country are literally dying & struggling to stay afloat. The clubs were the basis of the Gaa, nod they are being screwed by it, wait till pay for play comes in, we will see then where all the money is going to come from to keep all this going.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 19/01/2017 23:53:00    1947213

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Replying To pkboher:  "Why so many moaners about Dublin building a stadium? If Dublin want to build another stadium then leave them at it. It is no other Counties business. If you ask me they need a higher capacity ground."
No we don't we need to build more hurling walls and buy more footballs and helmets cause we haven't enough of them haha Ffs. Some lads don't like south Dublin for some weird reason they've even admitted it on here and the thought of the staduim over here and not on their doorstep doesn't sit well with them.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 20/01/2017 08:03:00    1947229

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No we don't we need to build more hurling walls and buy more footballs and helmets cause we haven't enough of them haha Ffs. Some lads don't like south Dublin for some weird reason they've even admitted it on here and the thought of the staduim over here and not on their doorstep doesn't sit well with them.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts:8195 - 20/01/2017 08:03:00

What Dublin poster said it has anything to do with the proposed stadium being in South/West Dublin?

I don't remember any Dublin poster saying as such.

In fact you're probably the only Dublin poster being parochial on this issue as you can't see the flaws with the proposal just because the stadium will be near your house.

I've no problem with the stadium being in North, South or West Dublin. The Spawell is an uninspiring location with little or no public transport links.
For example I don't let the fact that Parnell Pk is about 5/10mins away from me get in the way of admitting that it isn't the best location. Although it does have slightly better public transport links than the Spawell it is still not great.

If you don't think that Dublin clubs are struggling financially or could do with more and better facilities then you're fairly out of touch with the reality of the situation.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13711 - 20/01/2017 10:18:09    1947264

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All seater ? Nonsense.

Why ?

I hate sitting at sporting events.

There should be a standing area for those who prefer to stand at matches.

The fact there isn't a terrace (covered) in the plans is my biggest disappointment.

I'm with Mes on this though for the reasons he outlined.

Think its spending for spendings sake.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 20/01/2017 10:47:47    1947277

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Replying To MesAmis:  "No we don't we need to build more hurling walls and buy more footballs and helmets cause we haven't enough of them haha Ffs. Some lads don't like south Dublin for some weird reason they've even admitted it on here and the thought of the staduim over here and not on their doorstep doesn't sit well with them.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts:8195 - 20/01/2017 08:03:00

What Dublin poster said it has anything to do with the proposed stadium being in South/West Dublin?

I don't remember any Dublin poster saying as such.

In fact you're probably the only Dublin poster being parochial on this issue as you can't see the flaws with the proposal just because the stadium will be near your house.

I've no problem with the stadium being in North, South or West Dublin. The Spawell is an uninspiring location with little or no public transport links.
For example I don't let the fact that Parnell Pk is about 5/10mins away from me get in the way of admitting that it isn't the best location. Although it does have slightly better public transport links than the Spawell it is still not great.

If you don't think that Dublin clubs are struggling financially or could do with more and better facilities then you're fairly out of touch with the reality of the situation."
Cant put it better myself ,

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 20/01/2017 10:53:00    1947281

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Wouldn't be an issue with schools as they would be using it mostly during school hours so it would be available. Third level colleges have better set ups than Dublin, Dublin use DCU a lot & again most colleges games at third level are during the day, so no clash. What are clubs ftom Meath & Kildare putting up travelling costs on their clubs & adding to traffic congestion heading for Abbotstown when Meath have a fantastic centre of excellence in Dungany Trim themselves with all the facilities right beside them ? the same with Kildare with the new €3.5 Million development open at Hawkfield. That's the big problem in the Gaa, I'm alright Jack attitude. The nonsense of Dublin building a centre of excellence costing millions when Abbotstown is already there, is obscene. All capital projects are for stadiums & centres of excellence whilst clubs around the country are literally dying & struggling to stay afloat. The clubs were the basis of the Gaa, nod they are being screwed by it, wait till pay for play comes in, we will see then where all the money is going to come from to keep all this going.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts:302 - 19/01/2017

Plenty of schools train in the evening after school hours, likewise a lot of colleges.

The facility is there for anybody who wants to use it - which is exactly what a national facility should be for.

There's plenty of clubs around the north Kildare, south-east Meath area that would be closer to Abbotstown than they would be to their own counties centres. Along with that a couple of western and northern counties have availed of club facilities around the greater Dublin area in the past - if they've a lot of players working and studying in Dublin then it's handy for them to train together midweek and if that means using Abbotstown instead of club grounds then so be it.

"The National Games Development Centre will cater for units across the countrywide and international GAA family from club to county, from second level schools to third level activity. It will also be used by the Ladies Gaelic Football and Camogie Associations and there has been a full take up of slots for the first full month of operation".

The above is from a GAA press release issued shortly after the centre at Abbotstown opened - why should Dublin get preference to use it above anybody else?

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 20/01/2017 11:09:23    1947286

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What Dublin club is struggling? Every club in Dublin I go out to has unbelievable facilities , every staduim in Ireland is a car park on match day Parnell Park being one of the worst and that can only hold 9 thousand , this is a staduim built just off the m50 what more could you ask for? So Wayne who has no interest in Dublin club football would rather they help out struggling clubs in Dublin than build a brand new stadium for Dublin wtf that makes loads of sense. I'm telling you when it's built and it's packed jammed on March days you'll all love it. And the money it makes we can buy hurleys and helmets and footballs and jerseys and whatever you like. It's being built so just get behind it and stop being negative ffs.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 20/01/2017 11:19:36    1947289

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Hi guys.Greetings from Laandan taan!Just back from a walk to the Emirates Stadium and nursing a sore head.

Delighted with the good news that these plans for a southside base for our two games is looking like a done deal.I feel it will prove to be a great success.

Cant understand lads like mes whinging about the Spawell location as if its an impossible trek.Give me a break.

It took me 1 hour 15 and 28 tube stops yesterday to get from Heathrow to Finnsbury Park.Another 20 min walk to hotel.Shower and shave and another 20 min walk back to Finnsbury Park to get the bus to Alexandra Palace which took 25 mins.And back after.And im doing the same for the next three days?Lots of travel but why do i do it?Because i gave a passion for snooker.And i'll do the same next year.

Mes and Hill,lads,ye have five years to plan yere outrageous journey to the Spawell.Start planning now to alleviate yere pressing concerns.Id look into hotels and B&Bs in Templeogue,also,as ye may need a nights rest after the game.Imagine having to do that a few times every year lads to support the boys n blue?Perish the thought.How will ye cope at all ?

I have full trust in the brainstrust of the Dublin Co board.I'm sure they've given countless time weighing up the pros and cons and this is the best way forward according to them.That wise northside Dublin poster Jimbo gave it his blessing when we discussed it on the Dubs page few months ago.Some people can see the bigger picture and it will only help in our ever increasing battle with rugby south of the Liffey.

Thats the way i see it anyway.Only time will tell i guess but why dont we wait until its up and running and give it a chance before knocking it?

All the best lads.Im off for a curer as i have the shakes worse than Mark Selby's cue action (:

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 20/01/2017 11:21:53    1947290

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It is Dublin's own business where the build their stadium. The have 40% of the population of the country and are under-resourced when it comes to pitches- club and county. One has to remember that locating pitches for club or county is very expensive anywhere but exceptionally difficult/expensive in our capital. It is not that many years ago when you only had a couple of senior clubs south-side. I wish them the best of luck with their project as I would any county.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 20/01/2017 11:22:24    1947291

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