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Replying To if_in_doubt: "Hard to argue with Kenny and McGregor winning Manager and Sportsperson of the year.
Dundalk weren't even ranked in the top 350 teams in Europe at the start of the year, for the current season though they're up into the top 80. I don't think anybody would have argued with them getting team of the year - their achievements this year certainly outweighed anything they did last year but personally I'd have given it to the Paralympic cycling team - 2 golds, 2 silvers and a bronze. I know the athletics team brought back as many medals but you can't really compare the two sports in terms of team size and resources. I suppose the boxers had a strong case in 2012 and would have had a lot more media coverage than the cyclists and with them losing out that year to Donegal it was always going to be unlikely that the cyclists would win it this year.
Can't argue with McGregor either, imagine his fans would be of the more vocal and dedicated variety when it comes to things like this.
Ormo look away now.
Delighted the rugby team didn't win it - Connacht I can certainly understand being in the running but I don't think their achievement was on as big a scale as what Dundalk, the para-athletes or the O'Donovan's did.
Even being nominated was a bit of a joke. Finished 3rd in the 6 Nations, lost the summer series to South Africa and won a glorified friendly against a team ranked 5 places ahead of them in the world rankings. UCD bet Villareal in a friendly in 2011 and there was more than 5 teams ranked ahead of them in Ireland that year never mind the world..." agree with lot of what u say there..mcgregor was a decent choice but i would have went frampton..had mcgregor 2nd
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Replying To alano12: "it is a poor league though hill like it or not the facts speak for themselves..in relation to uk players that situation has improved a lot..current side dominated by mostly irish born and bred players lots of whom played league of ireland at one stage or another" Look I don't think ye are getting the point im making. I'm not trying to discuss the league or it's merits or diminish dundalk achievements in anyway, what I'm trying to establish is how rte can basically say we can't judge the league of Irish player's as it's not worth its salt playing here but yet can reward them for irish sports team of the year last year and this year reward their manager as irish sports manager of the year, it's hypocritical surely you can see that yeah.
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Replying To alano12: "agree with lot of what u say there..mcgregor was a decent choice but i would have went frampton..had mcgregor 2nd" McGregor was the only straight forward choice. Frampton was more concerned with not being on the BBC list.
only shadow cast is how McGregor had his award in America on the night haha
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Replying To hill16no1man: "Look I don't think ye are getting the point im making. I'm not trying to discuss the league or it's merits or diminish dundalk achievements in anyway, what I'm trying to establish is how rte can basically say we can't judge the league of Irish player's as it's not worth its salt playing here but yet can reward them for irish sports team of the year last year and this year reward their manager as irish sports manager of the year, it's hypocritical surely you can see that yeah." i cant honestly no...they still achieved great things especially this year in european competiton as a massive underdog up against it on a consistent basis
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Replying To hill16no1man: "McGregor was the only straight forward choice. Frampton was more concerned with not being on the BBC list.
only shadow cast is how McGregor had his award in America on the night haha" i dont see how mcgregor was a straight forward choice considering he was 2-1 this year and frampton won 2 big fights?..frampton not being on the bbc list was a disgrace
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 22/12/2016 01:17:50
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Replying To hill16no1man: "In all fairness connacht won what exactly the second competition in club rugby, whereas dublin defended both the national titles and their provincial title and went the entire year(competitively) unbeaten.
it's not fairytale of the year it's team of the year and I don't think the all blacks rugby team would have missed out on the team of the year in New Zealand just because people had them as favourites to win their competition and other games." Not buying that at all . Connacht won the only league they were competing in . They came from a very low base . They are now sitting joint top of their European group alongside two of Europes heavyweights having beaten both of them. Both of those teams have colossal financial and playing resources in comparison to Connacht . In the world of Gaelic Games Dublin are the equivalent of Toulouse and Wasps. Your summary of Connacht's achievements is way off the mark. Yes Dublin did outstandingly wellagain this year but both Dundalk and Connacht are right up there with them. In my own humble opinion Dublin come in behind Connacht and Dundalk this yearwhen everything is taken in to consideration. Connacht's achievements are not a fairy tale. They are very real. That is not to denigrate Dublin in any way. I am a huge admirer of theirs . Their achievements should have been acknowledged before this. It is very wrong that they haven't been.
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Replying To alano12: "agree with lot of what u say there..mcgregor was a decent choice but i would have went frampton..had mcgregor 2nd" I would have gone with Frampton too. I also agree with a lot of what is being said about the rugby team. I don't accept the Autumn tests are glorified friendlies .
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So basically trying to tell me the team of the year is not the most successful or consistent team?
I actually fail to see then how dublin can win that award? They would have to do the exact same thing again next year go unbeaten and win every competition and still hope that some underdog doesn't manifest itself elsewhere.
it's like in 2013 Clare got team of the year when they narrowly avoided relegation didn't even make a munster final and won the all ireland, yet Dublin win all three that year it just don't make sense surely the team of the year shouldn't be influenced by underdog stories over teams who actually dominated their sport for that actual year.
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Replying To hill16no1man: "So basically trying to tell me the team of the year is not the most successful or consistent team?
I actually fail to see then how dublin can win that award? They would have to do the exact same thing again next year go unbeaten and win every competition and still hope that some underdog doesn't manifest itself elsewhere.
it's like in 2013 Clare got team of the year when they narrowly avoided relegation didn't even make a munster final and won the all ireland, yet Dublin win all three that year it just don't make sense surely the team of the year shouldn't be influenced by underdog stories over teams who actually dominated their sport for that actual year." My god give it a rest will you. You'll be getting your holidays tomorrow cheer up
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Ffs
Dublin had a great year. The team is one of the best in the history of our sport.
Who cares about some stupid awards night. It really doesn't matter a toot.
We were lucky in Ireland it was a very solid interesting year of sport.
As for the awards themselves I actually don't agree with any of what was given but there was an element of politics to them.
McGregor got person, he'd missed out to Conlan last year and probably got it on the back of 2 great years. Based solely on this year Paul O'Donovan probably would have been a good shout. Rory McIlroy didn't even get nominated despite being one of the 3 best players in the biggest individual sport in the world.
With O'Donovan missing out on the individual award the duo got catapulted into being team of the year. Either Dublin or Dundalk should have won that in my book. Dublin were unlucky with it being an Olympic year and also an Irish club team having an exceptional European campaign.
Coach of the year could have gone to Lam/Kenny or Gavin. All had great years, it's hard to separate them. Lam announcing his departure probably worked against him.
But it is all politics, so really who cares.
Dublin and Gavin were unlucky. It was a particularly good year for Irish sport. Long may it continue.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 22/12/2016 11:09:50
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Why having a go at me
I didn't start the thread
But isn't that the whole point of the forum to debate the topics in each thread???
I'm not going to apologise for doing exactly what it says on the tin just because my point of view is different
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Replying To hill16no1man: "So basically trying to tell me the team of the year is not the most successful or consistent team?
I actually fail to see then how dublin can win that award? They would have to do the exact same thing again next year go unbeaten and win every competition and still hope that some underdog doesn't manifest itself elsewhere.
it's like in 2013 Clare got team of the year when they narrowly avoided relegation didn't even make a munster final and won the all ireland, yet Dublin win all three that year it just don't make sense surely the team of the year shouldn't be influenced by underdog stories over teams who actually dominated their sport for that actual year." You're not giving Connacht near enough credit for what they achieved .
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 22/12/2016 16:29:43
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Replying To Greengrass: "I would have gone with Frampton too. I also agree with a lot of what is being said about the rugby team. I don't accept the Autumn tests are glorified friendlies ." i do view them as glorified friendlies...ultimately the 6 nations is the most important competition and we lost....we lost in south africa...our achievements in rugby are consistently glorified to be more than what they are
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Replying To Whammo86: "Ffs
Dublin had a great year. The team is one of the best in the history of our sport.
Who cares about some stupid awards night. It really doesn't matter a toot.
We were lucky in Ireland it was a very solid interesting year of sport.
As for the awards themselves I actually don't agree with any of what was given but there was an element of politics to them.
McGregor got person, he'd missed out to Conlan last year and probably got it on the back of 2 great years. Based solely on this year Paul O'Donovan probably would have been a good shout. Rory McIlroy didn't even get nominated despite being one of the 3 best players in the biggest individual sport in the world.
With O'Donovan missing out on the individual award the duo got catapulted into being team of the year. Either Dublin or Dundalk should have won that in my book. Dublin were unlucky with it being an Olympic year and also an Irish club team having an exceptional European campaign.
Coach of the year could have gone to Lam/Kenny or Gavin. All had great years, it's hard to separate them. Lam announcing his departure probably worked against him.
But it is all politics, so really who cares.
Dublin and Gavin were unlucky. It was a particularly good year for Irish sport. Long may it continue." no mcgregor got it because he has a massive bandwagon of followers..simple as
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Replying To Greengrass: "Not buying that at all . Connacht won the only league they were competing in . They came from a very low base . They are now sitting joint top of their European group alongside two of Europes heavyweights having beaten both of them. Both of those teams have colossal financial and playing resources in comparison to Connacht . In the world of Gaelic Games Dublin are the equivalent of Toulouse and Wasps. Your summary of Connacht's achievements is way off the mark. Yes Dublin did outstandingly wellagain this year but both Dundalk and Connacht are right up there with them. In my own humble opinion Dublin come in behind Connacht and Dundalk this yearwhen everything is taken in to consideration. Connacht's achievements are not a fairy tale. They are very real. That is not to denigrate Dublin in any way. I am a huge admirer of theirs . Their achievements should have been acknowledged before this. It is very wrong that they haven't been." connacht did brilliantly but it pales in comparison to what dundalk achieved and level dundalk were up against...the pro 12 is poor and the world cup played a huge role in giving connacht an early head start...likes of 6 nations also helped
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Replying To hill16no1man: "So basically trying to tell me the team of the year is not the most successful or consistent team?
I actually fail to see then how dublin can win that award? They would have to do the exact same thing again next year go unbeaten and win every competition and still hope that some underdog doesn't manifest itself elsewhere.
it's like in 2013 Clare got team of the year when they narrowly avoided relegation didn't even make a munster final and won the all ireland, yet Dublin win all three that year it just don't make sense surely the team of the year shouldn't be influenced by underdog stories over teams who actually dominated their sport for that actual year." underdog stories are generally more popular..and we havent had a special final display yet as good a team as we are...weve more just got the job done when its come to the final without being brilliant which probably has been factored in...dundalk were a better choice then us because the difficulties you face in european club football for an irish team are crazy....theres no such thing as a fairytale in european club football usually as its completely dominated by money and big leagues
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Replying To Whammo86: "Ffs
Dublin had a great year. The team is one of the best in the history of our sport.
Who cares about some stupid awards night. It really doesn't matter a toot.
We were lucky in Ireland it was a very solid interesting year of sport.
As for the awards themselves I actually don't agree with any of what was given but there was an element of politics to them.
McGregor got person, he'd missed out to Conlan last year and probably got it on the back of 2 great years. Based solely on this year Paul O'Donovan probably would have been a good shout. Rory McIlroy didn't even get nominated despite being one of the 3 best players in the biggest individual sport in the world.
With O'Donovan missing out on the individual award the duo got catapulted into being team of the year. Either Dublin or Dundalk should have won that in my book. Dublin were unlucky with it being an Olympic year and also an Irish club team having an exceptional European campaign.
Coach of the year could have gone to Lam/Kenny or Gavin. All had great years, it's hard to separate them. Lam announcing his departure probably worked against him.
But it is all politics, so really who cares.
Dublin and Gavin were unlucky. It was a particularly good year for Irish sport. Long may it continue." kenny easily should have got coach of the year...i dont think people understand what they were up against....the pro 12 isnt a high standard and they were helped by other teams missing players on international duty during the season
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Replying To Greengrass: "You're not giving Connacht near enough credit for what they achieved ." I don't honestly think its a massive achievement. They won the second competition available to them. Call a spade a spade if derry had of beaten dublin in the 2014 national league final do you think they would have been front runners for team of the year or even nominated on the list? It would be the exact same achievement for the year.
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Replying To alano12: "no mcgregor got it because he has a massive bandwagon of followers..simple as" McGregor deserved it as he came back from adversity and won two world titles
hard to argue with him getting it I would feel, not a ufc supporter myself but credit were credits due he has the silverware or clothing wear haha over the course of the year.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/12/2016 17:54:42
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Replying To alano12: "underdog stories are generally more popular..and we havent had a special final display yet as good a team as we are...weve more just got the job done when its come to the final without being brilliant which probably has been factored in...dundalk were a better choice then us because the difficulties you face in european club football for an irish team are crazy....theres no such thing as a fairytale in european club football usually as its completely dominated by money and big leagues" For me medals and trophys rank higher than moral victories at the end of the day.
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