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do people honestly not think mayo improved?

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/12/2016 18:17:38    1941250

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Replying To keithlemon:  "Hence the reason why I don't engage in a debate with him jimbo
It's pure wum tactics we see from this lad over and over again"
you have plenty to say about my origins yet very little about your own?

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/12/2016 18:17:57    1941251

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Rubbish ,
Ive had a look back at posts that's not what I see ,
you have an the ends justify the means attitude and that's not my take on it for one bit , you have completely missed that a mans reputation may actually mean something to him , natural justice dictates a mans right to face his accuser , up until now what we have known about the whole sorry saga has been drip fed from the players ,people who love GAA don't enjoy this in ANY county , I hated the Cork Galway and Limericks sagas previously and don't enjoy this one, but if it was me and some thought it was alight to steamroll my name , you bet Id fight back , the response from H/C has been measured had this come out last june / july Id buy that they were only motivated by revenge , but December give a rest ."
thats your opinion..i disagree

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/12/2016 18:18:20    1941252

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This is the most sensible article ive read on the whole debacle

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/why-there-was-nothing-shocking/106870

Ah_Here (Mayo) - Posts: 42 - 20/12/2016 18:19:58    1941253

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Galway hurlers missed the boat in not moving on some of the old brigade. Their bench was full of house hold names...every one of them. Yet most are past their best and had no impact on the championship. Why weren't a few younger players blooded? And for the record every Galway man I talked to doesn't believe they would have won the final but who knows. The point is he has wasted a year to give the likes of the two Tynagh lads and a few more younger players valuable experience.
And for the record you actually enforce my point when you mention Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal. Expertly set up defensively but destroyed all in front of them when they attacked in numbers. Armagh in particular were a joy to watch. Proper fluid football. Mayo's system can't be compared to any of these teams. McLoughlin had no influence on the attack or setting up the attack and Boyle beside him was taken off in nearly every game. This year was a poor championship. Tipp for example with far more limited players had Brian Fox attacking and setting up numerous attacks and kicked some great scores also. Kearns set up his team to play to their strengths. Mayo didn't. McLoughlin sweeper backfired big time as did Keegan's role as a man marker close to goal, in both the semi and the replay. Aidan O'Shea at centre forward is also a really strange call."
We can argue the toss Killarney all we like and we more than likely won't convince each other. Galway were in good shape before Tuohy who was playing extremely well and Joe Canning went off. It was a huge body blow and even then Tipp only just got over the line. I agree with you in relation to a Galway Kilkenny final. Not for a minute do I think Galway would have done to Kilkenny what Tipp did to them. Nobody has to play Kilkenny more often in championship hurling than Galway. When you lose on a regular basis it is hard to turn it around.
If I had a penny for every time I have heard that phrase "it was a poor championship", I'd be minted. You eulogise Armagh. One of the central figures in that Armagh panel was a central figure in the Mayo management set up this year. I agree with what you say about Kevin McLoughlin. I also agree with you about Aidan O Shea but I honestly don't know where best to play him.Don't sell the Tipp footballers short. They are a good outfit. I was at all of Mayos matches in Croke Park this year and they played an awful lot of very good football.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 20/12/2016 18:23:02    1941256

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "I'm confused ? I mean the "RIP Michael Jackson" tribute."
He spelt it incorrectly on his t-shirt.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 20/12/2016 18:24:00    1941257

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Replying To keithlemon:  "He has a very familiar style, much like Kilarney.87
Bombardment of replies in a short space of time
Ironically enough he agrees with alano12 on this thread (nearly to the letter)
And look, they both have numbers at the end of their names!!!"
again why are you unable to debate the points raised?

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/12/2016 18:26:04    1941258

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Replying To Ah_Here:  "This is the most sensible article ive read on the whole debacle

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/why-there-was-nothing-shocking/106870"
Good article alright from Parkinson.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 20/12/2016 18:30:51    1941260

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Just looking at the Mayo teams photo they are badly in need of a major change...... a new matching set of socks for a start.

kikfada (Louth) - Posts: 2091 - 20/12/2016 18:37:11    1941262

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Replying To Ah_Here:  "This is the most sensible article ive read on the whole debacle

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/why-there-was-nothing-shocking/106870"
have to say i agree with a lot of what the article has to say...good read, im generally more pro players when it comes to these kinds of issues..i have little sympathy for connelly/holmes....I was under the impression myself that james horan was popular with the players?

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/12/2016 18:38:05    1941264

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Rubbish ,
Ive had a look back at posts that's not what I see ,
you have an the ends justify the means attitude and that's not my take on it for one bit , you have completely missed that a mans reputation may actually mean something to him , natural justice dictates a mans right to face his accuser , up until now what we have known about the whole sorry saga has been drip fed from the players ,people who love GAA don't enjoy this in ANY county , I hated the Cork Galway and Limericks sagas previously and don't enjoy this one, but if it was me and some thought it was alight to steamroll my name , you bet Id fight back , the response from H/C has been measured had this come out last june / july Id buy that they were only motivated by revenge , but December give a rest ."
and an issue id have is a lot are taking the article in the independent as gospel without considering different views..the joe.ie article for instance is a decent read agree with it or not

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/12/2016 18:40:08    1941265

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Replying To culmore:  "Mayo players should just keep their mouths shut in future and just do their talking on the field and when they have a Celtic Cross in their back pockets then come out and say their piece. Till then leave the management to the Manager and let them do the playing on the field."
Spot on there.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 20/12/2016 18:57:20    1941267

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Replying To yew_tree:  "We got further in 2016 then 2015 but that's it. We struggled against Fermanagh, Tipp and Tyrone. We only clicked to life in the two finals. We also nearly got relegated so 2016 is far from vintage but I think Mayo people are fed up of playing well and just want to win it out.

I think Rochford needs time but must be strong. If there are any outside influences or attempts by any player to call the shots then they must be dropped.

I respect Noel and Pat but wished it could have been dealt with differently. James Horan when appointed said his aim was to take the bu11sh1t out of Mayo football. Looks like it has returned. Interesting to see where we go from here but I agree best thing now is for players to say nothing. Do the talking on the pitch and keep the heads down.

One thing I find amusing is those from outside who seem sad to see this mess we are in...you must be joking. I reckon most of our rivals are laughing their heads off and are delighted. It's time to look in the mirror, learn from our mistakes and move on. Blaming the opposition, referee decisions etc etc does not cut it with me anymore."
I doubt if anybody is laughing Yew tree. All true GAA men are saddened when GAA players, past and/or present get drawn into situations where hard earned reputations and good names are tarnished. It''s Mayo in the headlines at the moment but it can, and probably will, happen in other counties over the coming years. On a personal note, I remember when a friend of mine was removed from management of Mayo and it left a nasty taste in the mouth.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 20/12/2016 19:55:39    1941283

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Yeah definitely, apart from the defensive meltdown Mayo were very good last year against Dublin. Of course Holmes and Connelly got the blame, the players shouldn't have left the gaps they did at the back when Dublin countered especially with their "5 years of top class experience".

Dublin were off colour in both finals this year but never looked like losing either day."
In truth Mayo didn't have to hit top gear to over come tipp were nearly sleepwalking at one stage they played better in two games in the final than the year before and with the forwards not providing enough scores. defence improved greatly against Dublin the two own goals we got blocks in or hands in where as before Dublin gots the goals with an extra man there to finish off and a goal in the replay from a penalty. Go away and grind your axe and keep telling yourself Michael quinlivan wasn't in lee keegans pocket in August!

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 20/12/2016 21:05:59    1941296

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Replying To neverright:  "I doubt if anybody is laughing Yew tree. All true GAA men are saddened when GAA players, past and/or present get drawn into situations where hard earned reputations and good names are tarnished. It''s Mayo in the headlines at the moment but it can, and probably will, happen in other counties over the coming years. On a personal note, I remember when a friend of mine was removed from management of Mayo and it left a nasty taste in the mouth."
Following Mayo is like Murphys law at times but at least we have the good days and we never give up. It's a bad taste in the mouth for everyone involved I think pat and Noel could have handle this interview better probably not mention names at least. The indo are milking this story for all its worth I wonder how much of the article is pat and Noel and how much is Martin breheny?

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 20/12/2016 21:11:40    1941297

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Replying To jimbodub:  "I don't blame you

The Mayo circus continues

Own worst enemies"
There's always an ex manager or ex selector or ex player there to open their mouth and seek glory!

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 20/12/2016 21:20:36    1941300

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Replying To Greengrass:  "We can argue the toss Killarney all we like and we more than likely won't convince each other. Galway were in good shape before Tuohy who was playing extremely well and Joe Canning went off. It was a huge body blow and even then Tipp only just got over the line. I agree with you in relation to a Galway Kilkenny final. Not for a minute do I think Galway would have done to Kilkenny what Tipp did to them. Nobody has to play Kilkenny more often in championship hurling than Galway. When you lose on a regular basis it is hard to turn it around.
If I had a penny for every time I have heard that phrase "it was a poor championship", I'd be minted. You eulogise Armagh. One of the central figures in that Armagh panel was a central figure in the Mayo management set up this year. I agree with what you say about Kevin McLoughlin. I also agree with you about Aidan O Shea but I honestly don't know where best to play him.Don't sell the Tipp footballers short. They are a good outfit. I was at all of Mayos matches in Croke Park this year and they played an awful lot of very good football."
You are mixing me up with Thiobraid, Greengrass.

My point is the Tipp lads felt they let Eamon O'Shea down by not winning the All-Ireland in 2015. They took responsibility on their shoulders and didn't make any excuses for their loss or blame anyone else.

With regards to this year, yeah I agree we were fortunate that the two Galway players went off injured, you take the breaks when they come your way. In 2015 there were one or two funny refereeing decisions that went against us but any Tipp fan I spoke after the game felt we didn't deserve a draw because Galway were the better team.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 20/12/2016 23:02:52    1941322

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "He spelt it incorrectly on his t-shirt."
Ah brilliant I love it.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 20/12/2016 23:03:41    1941323

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Replying To Spoddgy:  "In truth Mayo didn't have to hit top gear to over come tipp were nearly sleepwalking at one stage they played better in two games in the final than the year before and with the forwards not providing enough scores. defence improved greatly against Dublin the two own goals we got blocks in or hands in where as before Dublin gots the goals with an extra man there to finish off and a goal in the replay from a penalty. Go away and grind your axe and keep telling yourself Michael quinlivan wasn't in lee keegans pocket in August!"
I have no axe to grind with Mayo. Mayo bear us fair and square in the semi final.

In my opinion over the whole season Mayo were better in 2015 than 2016. The point I am trying to make is no Management team can legislate for how easy some of the goals Dublin scored against Mayo in 2015. The players have to put their hands up for that.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 20/12/2016 23:08:32    1941324

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Replying To keithlemon:  "He has a very familiar style, much like Kilarney.87
Bombardment of replies in a short space of time
Ironically enough he agrees with alano12 on this thread (nearly to the letter)
And look, they both have numbers at the end of their names!!!"
Hahaha. You are a gas man Lemon. I post a lot of responses in a short space of time because I don't spend the day on here.

Have I missed something but is the purpose of a forum not to debate things and give your opinion to someone else views, especially if they went to the bother of expressing it in the first place. It would be really boring if someone started a topic and every other comment on the thread was "Yes I agree".

I have simple opinions on this matter:

1/ The county board should have followed due process and interviewed all candidates for the Mayo job in 2014 before appointing Holmes and Connelly. This probably caused resent and distrust of the new management with the players.

2/ If the players had so many issues with Holmes and Connelly during the 2015 season they should have sat with them man to man to discuss instead of firing off a letter to the county board at the end of the season.

3/ Holmes and Connelly shouldn't have bothered making their views public, especially after 14 months.

4/ The players are right not to come out with a public response, things are bad enough as it is. The beauty for the players is they can do their talking on the pitch next year.

5/ The county board seem to be the lease implicated party here and I think they are the ones most at fault.

Lemon these are my humble views. Feel free to disagree with all of the above as it's just my personal opinion, I won't take offence.

For the sanity of Mayo fans I hope the county wins an All Ireland sooner rather than later.

Happy Christmas all.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 20/12/2016 23:30:36    1941329

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