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Replying To moc.dna:  "Your personal crusade has become weary some, you must have some connection with this panel as you are accounting for most of the posts. If the number of dislikes are anything to go by, the majority don't agree with your views. Simply put you are defending the players every action but are ridiculing the exanagers right to reply. If anyone on here including you were humiliated publicly & had your character & reputation damaged, you would want the right of reply. At this stage give it a rest & don't let whatever personal connection you have be dictating your thinking."
There is lots more than me who disagree with what the two of them did...there is other gaa journalists than breheny you do realise? So because I have a different view to you I must have a personal connection? You can reply without pretending it's in the interest of mayo football and attacking the character of certain players...they were serving their own interests nothing more

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 22/12/2016 21:16:55    1941785

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Replying To Jaden:  "Best is an subjective idea. The Great Kerry team of the 70's wouldn't get out of the current Ulster Championship. Likewise, the current Mayo team would hammer the 50/51 team out of the gate. Do this mean they are the "best"? It's a meaningless apples and oranges comparison. You can only judge a team by what they did, in the era they did it.

Are they the most successful team of all time, is a much better question. Short answer, no. They have 5 in a row Connacht, but that's really about it. No League, No Sam."
Yeh yeh jaden, we know all that, and the question was for Mayo fans as this particular bunch have been constantly in the headlines, even if it was mostly regarding hard luck stories. But thanks for putting me straight nevertheless!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 22/12/2016 22:02:18    1941801

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Your personal crusade has become weary some, you must have some connection with this panel as you are accounting for most of the posts. If the number of dislikes are anything to go by, the majority don't agree with your views. Simply put you are defending the players every action but are ridiculing the exanagers right to reply. If anyone on here including you were humiliated publicly & had your character & reputation damaged, you would want the right of reply. At this stage give it a rest & don't let whatever personal connection you have be dictating your thinking."
How exactly were they humiliated publicly? The players gave a letter to the county board and they were dismissed. No player from that Mayo team has come out and said anything specifically about why they wanted them out. What H&C have done is unforgivable naming players in an interview. Discussing topics that were said within in the confides of a dressing room. Everybody knows the first rule of GAA is what's said in the dressing room stays there.

Goalie2016 (Mayo) - Posts: 36 - 22/12/2016 23:27:09    1941823

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Replying To Goalie2016:  "How exactly were they humiliated publicly? The players gave a letter to the county board and they were dismissed. No player from that Mayo team has come out and said anything specifically about why they wanted them out. What H&C have done is unforgivable naming players in an interview. Discussing topics that were said within in the confides of a dressing room. Everybody knows the first rule of GAA is what's said in the dressing room stays there."
on this forum last year it was discussed in length by many many a Mayo poster as to why they were removed , my point being in NOT BEING specific your fellow county men bought into rumour and conjecture , it was common talk to say they were less professional , under qualified etc etc etc by being as underhand as the players were and not being man enough to face the managers led to many believing the rumours , if you've read the interview in full they explain the humiliation , you have read it ???

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 23/12/2016 10:19:15    1941852

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Replying To Damothedub:  "on this forum last year it was discussed in length by many many a Mayo poster as to why they were removed , my point being in NOT BEING specific your fellow county men bought into rumour and conjecture , it was common talk to say they were less professional , under qualified etc etc etc by being as underhand as the players were and not being man enough to face the managers led to many believing the rumours , if you've read the interview in full they explain the humiliation , you have read it ???"
I read the interview and I did not read one thing that I haven't seen happen in a GAA dressing room I was in. You are absolutely deluded if you don't think that Kerry/Dublin/KK players aren't upset when they are dropped, suggest the prefer a keepers kick outs or they don't give their opinions on team selection. It happens all the time the manager needs to be strong enough to make their own mind up. All H&C have succeeded in doing this interview is provide further proof that the players were right and they were not up to the job.

They will never get another job in inter county football after the interview whereas they might have got one if they maintained their "dignified" silence. That's not to suggest they necessarily want to manage another team.

Goalie2016 (Mayo) - Posts: 36 - 23/12/2016 13:06:58    1941892

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Replying To Goalie2016:  "How exactly were they humiliated publicly? The players gave a letter to the county board and they were dismissed. No player from that Mayo team has come out and said anything specifically about why they wanted them out. What H&C have done is unforgivable naming players in an interview. Discussing topics that were said within in the confides of a dressing room. Everybody knows the first rule of GAA is what's said in the dressing room stays there."
It was fairly conmon knowledge that Seamus and Aidan were involved anyways. If Connelly and Holmes wanted to do real damage they would have done this before the final in September. Neither of them nor some of the players come out of this particularly well. Some saying that the players didn't want Connelly and Holmes in the first place. At the time the media told it that many of the players were happy with their appointment as they managed them to U21 success. Probably many of them had no problems with Connelly and Holmes appointment, they were put out because Horan wasn't still there.

Some ex-players must be happy at their unexpected Christmas beer money. Journalists ringing offering money for jam for their opinions because they played ball with Pat or Noel or because they always thought Alan Dillon was a sound shkin. Who the fk cares at this stage? Maybe a few arses will be kicked and a few egos quietened but the who said what to who and where and when has to stop. A storm in a teacup. Time to concentrate on the football and do the talking on the pitch.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 23/12/2016 13:29:19    1941900

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Replying To Jaden:  "Best is an subjective idea. The Great Kerry team of the 70's wouldn't get out of the current Ulster Championship. Likewise, the current Mayo team would hammer the 50/51 team out of the gate. Do this mean they are the "best"? It's a meaningless apples and oranges comparison. You can only judge a team by what they did, in the era they did it.

Are they the most successful team of all time, is a much better question. Short answer, no. They have 5 in a row Connacht, but that's really about it. No League, No Sam."
To be the best at any time means winning a national title which this Mayo team have failed to do.
I might be a bit harsh in saying this but to me at national level this present Mayo team has failed and some of the named players have failed BIG TIME on All Ireland final day
That includes AOS and his brother, Alan Dillon-- remember the game he had against Dublin in the 2012 semi but where was he in that year's final---- anonymous.
I respect Andy Moran an awful lot and he was a big loss in 2102.
But I think some of the rest have a cheek complaining about things not being to their liking when they have failed to perform on the biggest stage of all -- All Ireland final day and they got chances.
Forget about what they win in Connaught as the opposition was very poor over the last five years
I'd say PH andNC were weak as managers and the present manager has big questions marks over him
I doubt if he is ruthless enough and I can see Mayo struggling this year.
They are not going to keep getting to the All Ireland semi all the time never mind the Final.
I doubt if they will win Connaught this year

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 23/12/2016 21:18:50    1941966

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I disagree with most on here .

Anyone that plays football , club or county will have the main players question decisions and selections .

You's don't play football if you's never seen this going .

As regards the pettiness . Players want to win an All- Ireland . Yes they were just as close under the duo but they didn't think they were good enough .

And give over with this AOS being at a game with that manager . Murphy and Jim done all the time .

Also answer this if you've played football : good players will always advise coaches / managers on certain issues . Don't have any problems with SOS saying he prefers so and so kickouts . I know Donegal lads asked lots of questions with McGuinness .

One article from the mighty Martin B and everyone popping the players .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 24/12/2016 07:53:17    1941977

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Replying To TheRightStuff:  "I disagree with most on here .

Anyone that plays football , club or county will have the main players question decisions and selections .

You's don't play football if you's never seen this going .

As regards the pettiness . Players want to win an All- Ireland . Yes they were just as close under the duo but they didn't think they were good enough .

And give over with this AOS being at a game with that manager . Murphy and Jim done all the time .

Also answer this if you've played football : good players will always advise coaches / managers on certain issues . Don't have any problems with SOS saying he prefers so and so kickouts . I know Donegal lads asked lots of questions with McGuinness .

One article from the mighty Martin B and everyone popping the players ."
We all know McHugh ran the show during the McNiff era. That's common knowledge all over Donegal.

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 24/12/2016 08:24:23    1941980

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Replying To TheRightStuff:  "I disagree with most on here .

Anyone that plays football , club or county will have the main players question decisions and selections .

You's don't play football if you's never seen this going .

As regards the pettiness . Players want to win an All- Ireland . Yes they were just as close under the duo but they didn't think they were good enough .

And give over with this AOS being at a game with that manager . Murphy and Jim done all the time .

Also answer this if you've played football : good players will always advise coaches / managers on certain issues . Don't have any problems with SOS saying he prefers so and so kickouts . I know Donegal lads asked lots of questions with McGuinness .

One article from the mighty Martin B and everyone popping the players ."
I take you're point lad. However there are limits. Someone asking why a player isn't on the 26 is taking it to far. That's the managers and selectors remit. They have been watching the players in detail during every training session and club games. They should know more about said player and what advantages he brings to the team. Now I don't have a problem with a player advising managers on certain tactics, how they want the ball kicked in, certain runs they make,that will help the team in the long run.
I'm not a fan of Martin B but to be fair he actually dosent say that much in the original piece, it is H/C talking and Martin B gives a small few line review at the end were he backs the managers.
No one comes out of this well. Not the players, managers or the Mayo county board(who have been very quiet).

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 24/12/2016 12:01:31    1941993

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