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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Maybe in midfield. Maybe."
In midfield. As an impact sub. In a certain kind of game. Maybe.
Zero chance of making the front six, even from the bench.

Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 22/12/2016 10:06:00    1941586

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Replying To Jaden:  "In midfield. As an impact sub. In a certain kind of game. Maybe.
Zero chance of making the front six, even from the bench."
I'd put him in full forward in the Dublin team.
The reason why it didn't work out for him playing there for Mayo is that the supply into him was poor not to mention that Mayo haven't developed their forward unit play as well as their defensive play. Imagine the damage AOS would do with the likes of Connolly and Kilkenny pinging passes into him as well as Brogan and Rock feeding off him
He'd still have to work fierce hard to get in ahead of any of the Dublin starting forwards though

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 22/12/2016 10:19:08    1941592

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Aidan O'Shea would definitely make the Dublin team.

Stick him in on the edge of the square, make him stay inside and hit him with good quality ball. He'd be unstoppable.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 22/12/2016 10:51:16    1941599

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Play A O shea at midfield, saw him play there in a minor fina lagainst Tyrone some years ago, he was outstanding and nearly won the game on his own, fielded the ball at midfieldand then forward in a straight line towards the Tyrone goal, way to do things for a midifelder

culmore (None) - Posts: 1398 - 22/12/2016 10:57:45    1941600

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Replying To alano12:  "because its not a black and white issue...and its rich that your accusing me of bias considering your views on the topic....do you think they should have named the players?"
Two things
First my views on the topic go beyond sport , if someone is wronged they have a right to defend themselves, natural justice dictates the right to face your accuser , in this instance I've found the players pretty spineless, there is a right and wrong way of doing things , if the squad felt it was time to move on with a new management team so be it , but be a man about it .
I've argued continuously on this with you that this is the least hurtful time to give the interview , THERE ARE NO GAMES , but you don't seem to get that.
Secondly I am in agreement that players identities probably should have been kept hidden , equally there is a part of me that thinks some of the players brought this on themselves .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 22/12/2016 11:01:43    1941602

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Replying To keithlemon:  "I'd put him in full forward in the Dublin team.
The reason why it didn't work out for him playing there for Mayo is that the supply into him was poor not to mention that Mayo haven't developed their forward unit play as well as their defensive play. Imagine the damage AOS would do with the likes of Connolly and Kilkenny pinging passes into him as well as Brogan and Rock feeding off him
He'd still have to work fierce hard to get in ahead of any of the Dublin starting forwards though"
It's a novel idea, but honestly, could he handle 70-80 minutes of the kind of pace required? I have my doubts. The ground he'd have to cover for all the runs to be made would sap him. The fact alone that he only has one good foot is enough to ensure he'd never make the front six.

Parking all that, it would be interesting to see what he would do in close with quality ball delivered to him. Connolly could pick him out from 30 yards, while he's on the edge of the square. Against a team not setup do deal with that, it would be creating mayhem. Thing is, most senior inter-county sides are well prepared for this tactic, hence why you don't really see it at the fore of an attacking plan any more.

Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 22/12/2016 11:15:20    1941607

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Replying To Toothless:  "Would AoS make the Dublin team? I dont think so"
On his Mayo performance last year. Probably not.

I think if Jim Gavin had a chance he'd take O'Shea and he'd find a use for him in his starting 15. O'Shea has some fantastic attributes, just feel that Mayo aren't getting full value out of them at present.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 22/12/2016 11:20:14    1941609

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I've always thought AOS is over rated, he always seems to go missing on the big days when it counts, and we all know this is when the great players step up,
disastrous this expose is though for Mayo.

El_Torro (Tyrone) - Posts: 155 - 22/12/2016 12:00:34    1941616

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "I don't blame Holmes for having a go at the players.They were treated very poorly."
Exactly. They were dead right after the way they were so badly treated.
Timing a bit odd though.

Every dog on the street knew the players involved and the power axis within the current Mayo squad.
Can't see Rochford breaking it either.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 22/12/2016 14:10:01    1941654

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Replying To culmore:  "Play A O shea at midfield, saw him play there in a minor fina lagainst Tyrone some years ago, he was outstanding and nearly won the game on his own, fielded the ball at midfieldand then forward in a straight line towards the Tyrone goal, way to do things for a midifelder"
Massive difference in minor and senior, he was head and shoulders taller and stronger than anyone on the pitch that day, it evens up in senior. He has been found out in midfield against top teams over the years due to his lack of mobility. I think centre half forward is his best position. He is a strong runner and decent shot and wouldn't have to deal too much going the other way. And yes he would start for the dubs. Or any other team in Ireland

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 22/12/2016 14:56:10    1941673

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Replying To El_Torro:  "I've always thought AOS is over rated, he always seems to go missing on the big days when it counts, and we all know this is when the great players step up,
disastrous this expose is though for Mayo."
Would he start for Tyrone?

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 22/12/2016 14:57:56    1941675

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Whats been lost on everyone here is that nobody forced H & C to pick these players. There are thousands of players playing senior football in Mayo if they have a problem with certain players then just get other ones. As long as lads are at training what they do after that is absolutely none of H &C's business. This old school mentality that players should focus on football is quite frankly b.s. At the end of the day these players are amateurs, football is their hobby.

If a man is prepared to put their life on hold for 10-11 years to represent my county I would support every single benefit they get outside the game.

Goalie2016 (Mayo) - Posts: 36 - 22/12/2016 16:36:48    1941705

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Two things
First my views on the topic go beyond sport , if someone is wronged they have a right to defend themselves, natural justice dictates the right to face your accuser , in this instance I've found the players pretty spineless, there is a right and wrong way of doing things , if the squad felt it was time to move on with a new management team so be it , but be a man about it .
I've argued continuously on this with you that this is the least hurtful time to give the interview , THERE ARE NO GAMES , but you don't seem to get that.
Secondly I am in agreement that players identities probably should have been kept hidden , equally there is a part of me that thinks some of the players brought this on themselves ."
in normal circumstances i can see what your saying however you have to factor in that they werent wanted by the players in the first place..it was a county board appointment....therefore i have very little sympathy for them..and naming the players was completely unnecessary

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 22/12/2016 16:56:22    1941709

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Replying To Goalie2016:  "Whats been lost on everyone here is that nobody forced H & C to pick these players. There are thousands of players playing senior football in Mayo if they have a problem with certain players then just get other ones. As long as lads are at training what they do after that is absolutely none of H &C's business. This old school mentality that players should focus on football is quite frankly b.s. At the end of the day these players are amateurs, football is their hobby.

If a man is prepared to put their life on hold for 10-11 years to represent my county I would support every single benefit they get outside the game."
Another take is what's lost on you is that Mayo is no different to any other top county , and what's asked of an inter county player in Mayo is no different than a Kerry Kilkenny or Dublin , only difference being respect and winners medals

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 22/12/2016 16:56:50    1941710

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Two things
First my views on the topic go beyond sport , if someone is wronged they have a right to defend themselves, natural justice dictates the right to face your accuser , in this instance I've found the players pretty spineless, there is a right and wrong way of doing things , if the squad felt it was time to move on with a new management team so be it , but be a man about it .
I've argued continuously on this with you that this is the least hurtful time to give the interview , THERE ARE NO GAMES , but you don't seem to get that.
Secondly I am in agreement that players identities probably should have been kept hidden , equally there is a part of me that thinks some of the players brought this on themselves ."
its still a bad time to do it..we disagree..move on....they deserve no sympathy....players are amateurs..'i pick the team' being the big man type stuff isnt really acceptable way to do things either unless you have won something....you havent once attempted to look at things from a players point of view....spare me the hysteria...they were in a wonderful position to beat us last year and they collapsed because there was no composure on the pitch and especially on the sideline

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 22/12/2016 17:09:28    1941721

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Another take is what's lost on you is that Mayo is no different to any other top county , and what's asked of an inter county player in Mayo is no different than a Kerry Kilkenny or Dublin , only difference being respect and winners medals"
so banning an amateur sportsman from a reality show is respect?

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 22/12/2016 17:19:35    1941733

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Another take is what's lost on you is that Mayo is no different to any other top county , and what's asked of an inter county player in Mayo is no different than a Kerry Kilkenny or Dublin , only difference being respect and winners medals"
Like I said as long as a player is showing up for training and matches as requested then what they do in their private life is none of your business.

So if anybody was showing disrespect it was H&C. If anything the difference between Kerry, Kilkenny and Dublin and Mayo is that their managers treat them with more respect and treat them like adults.

People saying that the Mayo team should focus 100% on their football until they win an all Ireland. Give me a break its only a game, they should focus on their health and career First and if they don't win an all Ireland it's a bonus.

Goalie2016 (Mayo) - Posts: 36 - 22/12/2016 17:39:12    1941736

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That's were you're wrong Goalie, to win the All Ireland now you have to give it everything, nothing else matters, unless you have that mentality in your locker you will fail, that's the thing Mayo have lacked, along with a few more match winning forwards.
I think AOS would get a game with Tyrone, but he wouldn't get far telling Mickey what to do.

El_Torro (Tyrone) - Posts: 155 - 22/12/2016 17:59:51    1941746

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Replying To El_Torro:  "That's were you're wrong Goalie, to win the All Ireland now you have to give it everything, nothing else matters, unless you have that mentality in your locker you will fail, that's the thing Mayo have lacked, along with a few more match winning forwards.
I think AOS would get a game with Tyrone, but he wouldn't get far telling Mickey what to do."
Nonsense...numerous top sports people around the globe love using the likes of Twitter and have numerous other interests..doesn't seem to bother them..it was blatant bad man management

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 22/12/2016 18:11:49    1941752

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Replying To alano12:  "Nonsense...numerous top sports people around the globe love using the likes of Twitter and have numerous other interests..doesn't seem to bother them..it was blatant bad man management"
Your personal crusade has become weary some, you must have some connection with this panel as you are accounting for most of the posts. If the number of dislikes are anything to go by, the majority don't agree with your views. Simply put you are defending the players every action but are ridiculing the exanagers right to reply. If anyone on here including you were humiliated publicly & had your character & reputation damaged, you would want the right of reply. At this stage give it a rest & don't let whatever personal connection you have be dictating your thinking.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 22/12/2016 20:46:16    1941778

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