alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 21/12/2016 18:07:05    1941489

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 21/12/2016 18:14:06    1941490

It was McHale that the players had a problem with and give a guess which players had that complaint? I know what I'd do with them, 1 roar and point to the stands and tell them that's where you'll stay

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 21/12/2016 18:42:23    1941498

the Mayo county board are strangely quiet on this issue. Should they not be trying to diffuse the situation with a statement etc. They were pretty quick releasing statements about the lee Keegan situation.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 21/12/2016 20:21:42    1941511

I say fair play to PH and NC and they were right in coming out.
Once it is the truth then that's ok with me
What is wrong with a lot of teams today is that we do not hear the truth or full story.
With Donegal in 2014 and Mark mcHugh leaving the panel as he said he was not enjoying his football, a lot of people thought different --- was that the reason he left the panel???
A lot of ex players / managers have had their say --- I think Colm O Roarke say on it is very good And AO S has had a few bad All Ireland finals as had his brother so I can't see why they should be having a say on who should play and who should not.
Would Mayo be better off without some of these Marquee players -- it might do them no harm if they were made sit on the bench now and again
To be honest I wanted to see Mayo win Sam this year and one of the reasons was for the supporters. But right now I have not got much sympathy for some of the Mayo players.
Take Alan Dillion complaining about not starting--- well he had chances over the years when he started but failed and I think he has a record now that will never be surpassed --- being on the loosing side on 8 occasions in finals.
Mayo supporters deserve better and if the Mayo manager gave way to some players demands to drop D Clarke in favour of Hennelly for the replay then it looks bad on him
To me Mayo want another manager , get rid of some so called stars and start afresh with the manager calling the shots.
Imagine M Hart J Galvin or J MC Guinness managing Mayo at present but they are the type of men Mayo need IMO

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 21/12/2016 21:35:58    1941524

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 21/12/2016 21:52:47    1941530

rossy15 (Roscommon) - Posts: 617 - 21/12/2016 21:57:29    1941534

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 21/12/2016 22:05:21    1941537

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 21/12/2016 22:18:32    1941539

I missed reading the article but I heard all about it. I think that they spilled the beans.
Mayo players just don't have the killer instinct to finish the job.
By the looks of it they have the egos but not the cup.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 21/12/2016 22:48:12    1941541

Question for the Mayo folk, is this, has this, been the best Mayo team of all time? I ask because we're been called one of the best teams of all time and in fairness, there's only a gee hair between us!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 22/12/2016 00:18:39    1941551

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 22/12/2016 02:01:47    1941557

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 22/12/2016 02:09:42    1941558

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 22/12/2016 07:39:44    1941563

It's the players role to play and the managers' role to manage. It looks like Holmes and Connelly failed to manage the team properly. I mean every team has egos and the managers have to manage that.

Alan Dillon going to the management to state his case to play is entirely normal. Holmes and Connelly revealing that in this interview was dead wrong though. Do people seriously think that the likes of Kevin McManoman hasn't been constantly stating his case to Jim Gavin over the years when he's been on the bench? I'm sure the likes of Paul Mannion, Cormac Costello and Mick Fitz were at it this year as well. Jim Gavin seems to have managed them well though, something that neither Holmes and Connelly seem to have done in 2015.

So what if either of the O'Sheas made it known to management which keepers' kick outs they prefer. The management should take that on board. It doesn't mean they have to do what the players suggest in terms of selection but it is important for the team that the managers have all the information.

All teams have egos, Mayo are no different in that, it's just that in 2015 those in charge seem like they may not have been capable of managing those egos. I know that sounds harsh on the two managers but it very much looks like that is the reality of the situation.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 22/12/2016 08:26:45    1941566

Maybe Im the only one but I was hearing about this "explosive" interview that was supposedly coming out and thinking "oh whats this going to reveal" only to read the vast majority of it and think to myself "have these lads even managed a Club team before?"

Obviously I know they have and have been successful but honestly some of the stuff is mirrored in GAA Clubs and teams the length and breath of the country.

I mean their message from the start was you need to be tougher and you allowed yourselves to be bullied and a few players didn't like it being implied that they were being soft and took the hump, im sort of thinking to myself "no way, are you serious, what did they expect?"

I mean the whole Aidan O Shea incident. I didn't see Tipperary management complaining in the same position. Yet to make it worse it seems the Mayo management didn't even have the grace to ask Aidan O Shea not to do it. He stood to earn a few quid from this, that's his life, that's a few quid for his pocket. So Aidan O Shea is disgruntled, what did they expect?

I mean the rest of it is Club level junior B Management stuff. Certain players wanted another certain player to get his place and said as much, no way! Other players didn't really buy in as much as others and used every excuse to complain about little things like mass etc!!! I mean this is hardly earth shattering stuff for anyone whos been involved in management at any level. There will always be players championing other players, there will always be those who don't buy in and make things awkward, its how you deal with them that's key and as far as I can see Holmes and Connely took the "its our way and nothing else approach" and wonder why they were ousted

I mean is anyone pointing out the obvious here, all these comments about players needing to check their egos etc when in fact it was the job of Holmes and Connely to actually do that. They are on about players having too much influence etc (like every other team in the country) yet they were the ones with the power and job of fixing that yet chose not to.

Anyone bizarrely claiming this is a great things for Mayo football is deluding themselves. Absolutely the men in question should have a right of reply etc but anyone who thinks its done in the greater interest of Mayo football is again deluded. I can pretty much guarantee that Jim Gavin has similar issues to deal with but has the man management skills to deal with it.

Its not ideal for Mayo and to be fair the players could obviously have handled the heave a lot better than they have done and yes both connely and holmes had a right to speak if they chose to do so but lets not dress it up as being in the interest of Mayo football, I thought they came out of it poorly to be honest whereas when the heave happened I would have had more sympathy for them. How the heave happened wasn't right but im kinda thinking now I can see why it did.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1339 - 22/12/2016 08:35:13    1941568

Would AoS make the Dublin team? I dont think so

Toothless (Dublin) - Posts: 38 - 22/12/2016 08:54:33    1941569

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 22/12/2016 09:28:02    1941579

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 22/12/2016 09:43:01    1941583

Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 22/12/2016 10:03:13    1941585