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Dublin media do Lee Keegan again

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Replying To Gael85:  "But if referee had of booked or warned Keegan in first half Cavanagh wouldn't have got frustrated and reacted to Keegan for 1st yellow. It not just Keegan(we plenty of lads who play on the edge too) but when 2 players become involved in melee referees are taking easy option booking 2 players instead of instigator."
But he did react. Unfortunately no-one to blame but himself no matter how bad the provocation was or how bad the ref was. Equally Lee had no-one to blame for the black card in the replay but himself.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 07/12/2016 02:11:46    1938790

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I believe Lee Keegan Paid the penalty if justice was done, but unfortunately he's still paying the price and that's not the result of justice, imo there's a difference between justice being done and justice seeing to be done.
Lee Keegan is a class act, a house hold name for the right reasons, all he needs is a football and fair play, - he got the football, - - -
I fail to understand how the JS incident wasn't picked up, the ref said he didn't see it, that's fair enough, but there was a number of other officials that was "wired" up to the ref. that should have seen it. ?? if one of them had seen it, that would have been a game changer.
It's said that sport can be cruel, sometimes it's not sport, - - just a game.
"Contraversory" is the main ingredient in gaelic games, that's what keeps it going.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 07/12/2016 11:09:56    1938824

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Replying To supersub15:  "I believe Lee Keegan Paid the penalty if justice was done, but unfortunately he's still paying the price and that's not the result of justice, imo there's a difference between justice being done and justice seeing to be done.
Lee Keegan is a class act, a house hold name for the right reasons, all he needs is a football and fair play, - he got the football, - - -
I fail to understand how the JS incident wasn't picked up, the ref said he didn't see it, that's fair enough, but there was a number of other officials that was "wired" up to the ref. that should have seen it. ?? if one of them had seen it, that would have been a game changer.
It's said that sport can be cruel, sometimes it's not sport, - - just a game.
"Contraversory" is the main ingredient in gaelic games, that's what keeps it going."
I fail to understand how the JS incident wasn't picked up, the ref said he didn't see it, that's fair enough, but there was a number of other officials that was "wired" up to the ref. that should have seen it. ?? if one of them had seen it, that would have been a game changer.

Unfortunately that is one of the ongoing problems in the GAA, We have 7 match officials at every game, one who obviously can't see everything, and the other 6 who seem to choose not to see anything 90% of the time. Every game has incidents that if caught by one of the officials could have a major effect on the game. As you said the JS incident probably should have been caught, but so too should the blatant black card incident involving COC in the first game, just minutes before he kicked the equalising point. I'm not trying to make this a Dublin v Mayo thing, its just that's the game mentioned in the post. I'm sure fans on both sides could pick out half a dozen incidents where they feel that the ref did them with a bad call or a missed foul. My point is that given the fact that we have 7 officials at every game, surely they should be working together more, or at least giving the impression that they operate as a team in these big games. As you said if they are all wired up it shouldn't be that hard for them to alert the ref to these incidents,

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 07/12/2016 13:17:32    1938854

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Look Cavanagh got a yellow for the incident with Keegan at the start of 2nd half but Keegan wasn't to blame for Cavanagh's 2nd yellow or black card, can't remember which card he got, it's usually the stupid 1st yellow you get that results in you getting sent off for something else later in the game

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 08/12/2016 20:59:23    1939148

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Replying To AHP:  "
Replying To supersub15:  "I believe Lee Keegan Paid the penalty if justice was done, but unfortunately he's still paying the price and that's not the result of justice, imo there's a difference between justice being done and justice seeing to be done.
Lee Keegan is a class act, a house hold name for the right reasons, all he needs is a football and fair play, - he got the football, - - -
I fail to understand how the JS incident wasn't picked up, the ref said he didn't see it, that's fair enough, but there was a number of other officials that was "wired" up to the ref. that should have seen it. ?? if one of them had seen it, that would have been a game changer.
It's said that sport can be cruel, sometimes it's not sport, - - just a game.
"Contraversory" is the main ingredient in gaelic games, that's what keeps it going."
I fail to understand how the JS incident wasn't picked up, the ref said he didn't see it, that's fair enough, but there was a number of other officials that was "wired" up to the ref. that should have seen it. ?? if one of them had seen it, that would have been a game changer.

Unfortunately that is one of the ongoing problems in the GAA, We have 7 match officials at every game, one who obviously can't see everything, and the other 6 who seem to choose not to see anything 90% of the time. Every game has incidents that if caught by one of the officials could have a major effect on the game. As you said the JS incident probably should have been caught, but so too should the blatant black card incident involving COC in the first game, just minutes before he kicked the equalising point. I'm not trying to make this a Dublin v Mayo thing, its just that's the game mentioned in the post. I'm sure fans on both sides could pick out half a dozen incidents where they feel that the ref did them with a bad call or a missed foul. My point is that given the fact that we have 7 officials at every game, surely they should be working together more, or at least giving the impression that they operate as a team in these big games. As you said if they are all wired up it shouldn't be that hard for them to alert the ref to these incidents,"
I have to agree with you on everything you said. The more a game is analysed the more you see wrong. I myself thought that dean rock kicked a wide in the second half of the drawn game that was awarded as a point but spilt milk and all that. But I suppose COC possible black card before the equaliser would have balanced that out. As regards officials I think umpires are the big problem. The way they are selected is an absolute joke. Usually the refs brother/father/ uncle or in laws. There is plenty of young refs around the country that could be given these jobs. Also gives them possible future experience for big games in croke park should the progress to that level.

pray4sam (Mayo) - Posts: 90 - 08/12/2016 21:27:49    1939151

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Replying To riverboys:  "Look Cavanagh got a yellow for the incident with Keegan at the start of 2nd half but Keegan wasn't to blame for Cavanagh's 2nd yellow or black card, can't remember which card he got, it's usually the stupid 1st yellow you get that results in you getting sent off for something else later in the game"
But did cavanagh deserve a yellow for the first incident? In most peoples book the answer is no, the guy who goes antagonizing a player off the other team deserves a more severe punishment than the player who just defends himself surely we can all agree on that

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 08/12/2016 21:32:00    1939152

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "But did cavanagh deserve a yellow for the first incident? In most peoples book the answer is no, the guy who goes antagonizing a player off the other team deserves a more severe punishment than the player who just defends himself surely we can all agree on that"
It was actually Cavanagh that came out after half time and shouldered Keegan in the back, which is what started the scuffle. So Cavanagh was deservedly booked there. As everyone knows, Keegan had nothing to do with the second yellow for Cavanagh. Don't take everything Micky Harte says as gospel.

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 08/12/2016 21:58:39    1939155

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Replying To MayoDan:  "It was actually Cavanagh that came out after half time and shouldered Keegan in the back, which is what started the scuffle. So Cavanagh was deservedly booked there. As everyone knows, Keegan had nothing to do with the second yellow for Cavanagh. Don't take everything Micky Harte says as gospel."
I was there and that's not what I saw.
I didn't even here Mickey had he on the matter but you want me to what you just said not to do with Mickey harte and take your word for gospel instead haha

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 08/12/2016 23:36:10    1939161

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "I was there and that's not what I saw.
I didn't even here Mickey had he on the matter but you want me to what you just said not to do with Mickey harte and take your word for gospel instead haha"
Unfortunately there are many people attending matches that see the same incident differently usually blinded by love or hate for the players involved, also as stated there are the officials as well who also seemed to miss the incident which would make the situation hard for the referee and leads to the current situation where both players get yellow cards.

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 13/12/2016 13:29:23    1939887

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