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Replying To royaldunne: "Only for king henry 2 we wouldn't have counties in Ireland" So what? County boundaries are in existence in Ireland since the 12th century. keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 05/12/2016 22:41:05 1938523 Link
in reality they should fly the tricolour and the Union Jack in matches up north, would be good for the game KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 05/12/2016 23:06:49 1938525 Link
Replying To keeper7: "So what? County boundaries are in existence in Ireland since the 12th century." Indeed they are thanks to king henry, however I'm sure you know the county boundaries have changed. All you have to do is look at Meath. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 05/12/2016 23:50:50 1938527 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Only for king henry 2 we wouldn't have counties in Ireland" I don't think young Henry was the inventor of deciding to have different zones inside a country I'm not quite sure there would be a patent on the whole idea of having places inside an entire country, I'm pretty sure somebody would have cracked it. hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 06/12/2016 00:33:45 1938529 Link
Keep the flag. Keep the anthem on the condition that they find a good version of it and only that will be played at games. Not some local singer butchering week on week. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7900 - 06/12/2016 09:00:40 1938542 Link
Replying To keeper7: "So what? County boundaries are in existence in Ireland since the 12th century." Ignore Royaldunne- his level of understanding of our Irish history is at about the same level of his football knowledge- though he is an expert on King Henry! browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 06/12/2016 10:15:55 1938556 Link
National Anthem: Keep Flying the Tri-colour: Keep Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 06/12/2016 10:47:24 1938577 Link
Replying To browncows: "Ignore Royaldunne- his level of understanding of our Irish history is at about the same level of his football knowledge- though he is an expert on King Henry!" Yeah much better off listening to the majority in the GAA echo chamber we have here. Weve hot to remember guys that the GAA is a organisation on a small Island on the edge of Europe. So Royaldunne and opposing points of view ought to be welcomed. bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 06/12/2016 11:07:14 1938582 Link
Replying To Tom1916: "National Anthem: Keep Flying the Tri-colour: Keep" Any Northern Brethren on here hold any alternative views on the Flag and Anthem? The republican voice is well represented already. Anybody else that willing to break away from the cosy concenus. bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 06/12/2016 11:09:36 1938583 Link
Replying To bloodyban: "Any Northern Brethren on here hold any alternative views on the Flag and Anthem? The republican voice is well represented already. Anybody else that willing to break away from the cosy concenus." This is a rehash of a discussion last year when Jarlath Burns suggested exactly the same thing. I was for change last year but have changed my mind. If this is to be a means of appeasing people it wont work because the anthem and the flag are very small items and it is definite cultural and sociological differences which are at the root of the problem and any attempt at appeasment has to come with compromise from both sides and I just cant see that happening. In the US at the baseball, will they play the cuban or puerto rican anthems before games to better represent the players and a lot of the supporters, unlikely. In the UK before the FA cup finals etc would they consider dropping GSTQ because it may offend some people from ex-colonies etc, and taking the worldwide audience into consideration, unlikely. Then why are we considering dropping a piece of the culture to appease people who may or may not wish to partake in our games. If you take it a step further why not ditch the anthem altogether and any negative connotations and sell the singing rights to make a few shillings, people could be belting out the star spangled ipad, or god save our gracious dyson. duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 175 - 06/12/2016 11:47:51 1938589 Link
National Anthem: Keep Flying the Tri-colour: Keep LetterkennyMan (Donegal) - Posts: 393 - 06/12/2016 11:53:57 1938590 Link
Replying To duckula20: "This is a rehash of a discussion last year when Jarlath Burns suggested exactly the same thing. I was for change last year but have changed my mind. If this is to be a means of appeasing people it wont work because the anthem and the flag are very small items and it is definite cultural and sociological differences which are at the root of the problem and any attempt at appeasment has to come with compromise from both sides and I just cant see that happening. In the US at the baseball, will they play the cuban or puerto rican anthems before games to better represent the players and a lot of the supporters, unlikely. In the UK before the FA cup finals etc would they consider dropping GSTQ because it may offend some people from ex-colonies etc, and taking the worldwide audience into consideration, unlikely. Then why are we considering dropping a piece of the culture to appease people who may or may not wish to partake in our games. If you take it a step further why not ditch the anthem altogether and any negative connotations and sell the singing rights to make a few shillings, people could be belting out the star spangled ipad, or god save our gracious dyson." Its the broader issue that im interested in. The flag and anthem is a side issue. I understand the importance of National pride and respect for a countrys flag. The funny thing here is that the strongest voices for keeping the Irish flag are from people in Northern Ireland. The real Flag issue is the Northern one. There should be a northern Irish flag that both sides up there can get behind and support. Stop trying to latch onto other countries flags. bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 06/12/2016 12:13:49 1938597 Link
Replying To bloodyban: "Its the broader issue that im interested in. The flag and anthem is a side issue. I understand the importance of National pride and respect for a countrys flag. The funny thing here is that the strongest voices for keeping the Irish flag are from people in Northern Ireland. The real Flag issue is the Northern one. There should be a northern Irish flag that both sides up there can get behind and support. Stop trying to latch onto other countries flags." Stop trying to latch onto other countries flags I wasn't aware anyone from the north was latching onto anything, and you wonder why some of my fellow posters from the north treat comments such as that with the disdain it deserves and we're accused of paranoia and having a chip on our shoulders. duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 175 - 06/12/2016 12:44:35 1938604 Link
Replying To hill16no1man: "I don't think young Henry was the inventor of deciding to have different zones inside a country I'm not quite sure there would be a patent on the whole idea of having places inside an entire country, I'm pretty sure somebody would have cracked it." Id suggest a history book, the general county set up in Ireland which by and large is the same today (apart from the obvious redrawing's) so we have a lot to thank him for. That been said I believe we should return to when Meath ruled all of you, now bend down And obey you're masters. Hehehehe royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 06/12/2016 14:32:27 1938633 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Id suggest a history book, the general county set up in Ireland which by and large is the same today (apart from the obvious redrawing's) so we have a lot to thank him for. That been said I believe we should return to when Meath ruled all of you, now bend down And obey you're masters. Hehehehe" That's a position you enjoy adopting is it not? bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 06/12/2016 16:34:18 1938684 Link
Replying To bloodyban: "Its the broader issue that im interested in. The flag and anthem is a side issue. I understand the importance of National pride and respect for a countrys flag. The funny thing here is that the strongest voices for keeping the Irish flag are from people in Northern Ireland. The real Flag issue is the Northern one. There should be a northern Irish flag that both sides up there can get behind and support. Stop trying to latch onto other countries flags." Except that, if you don't consider the north to be a separate country, why would you wish to adopt a new flag which reflects the status quo? I think your sole, or at least main purpose on this forum is to antagonise anyone who's proud of their Irish identity and if you can get in a few cheap shots at those who've endured so many years in besieged conditions, all the better. MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 06/12/2016 17:14:37 1938704 Link
Replying To bloodyban: "Any Northern Brethren on here hold any alternative views on the Flag and Anthem? The republican voice is well represented already. Anybody else that willing to break away from the cosy concenus." Is it for you to dictate who can and cannot post their opinion on here then? Now come on lads, who wants to go out on a limb and support this controversial, social maverick in his/her quest for....................for......................what exactly was it you wanted, Bloodyban? Oh yeah, a bit of attention. Congratulations! MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 06/12/2016 17:21:09 1938707 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Id suggest a history book, the general county set up in Ireland which by and large is the same today (apart from the obvious redrawing's) so we have a lot to thank him for. That been said I believe we should return to when Meath ruled all of you, now bend down And obey you're masters. Hehehehe" Yeah but it don't take a book or a genius to figure out people would have divided ireland up into different zones at one stage or another as it would have got terrible confusing if the postman or woman was going around with everybody's address as Ireland only. hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 06/12/2016 18:33:32 1938718 Link
Replying To bloodyban: "Any Northern Brethren on here hold any alternative views on the Flag and Anthem? The republican voice is well represented already. Anybody else that willing to break away from the cosy concenus." Your references to cosy consensus & the Gaa Echo chamber are pathetic & smack of someone dissapointed not to be getting their own way, try general consensus which is the majority view here on this subject, which is usually seen as the democratic majority, something you seem to have a real issue with. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 07/12/2016 11:34:01 1938832 Link
Replying To moc.dna: "Your references to cosy consensus & the Gaa Echo chamber are pathetic & smack of someone dissapointed not to be getting their own way, try general consensus which is the majority view here on this subject, which is usually seen as the democratic majority, something you seem to have a real issue with." Yeah but this is someone who's previously said he'd be happy if the whole of Ireland had remained under British rule MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 07/12/2016 12:45:41 1938851 Link