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Replying To royaldunne: "Yep. We are home and hosed. Winner alright winner alright. :)" Do away with our Anthem and Flag at your peril you Meath boyos. Haven't felt so outraged since Joe scored the try. Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 01/12/2016 19:52:16 1937895 Link
Replying To Htaem: "I think I have heard an orchestral version of Amhran na bhfiann before, it was years ago though and some cheap cd we had in the house so it's probably not the version you're talking about. Going way off topic here but seen as how you mentioned orchestral versions, wasn't it the orchestral version of The Last Time by The Rolling Stones (which in itself was a rip off of a song by from the 50s I think) that The Verve sampled for Bittersweet Symphony? Then they were successfully sued by a record label and made no money off the song." You are quite correct, and ray parker jr ghost busters was a total rip off Huey Lewis and the news I want a new drug, poor old ray had to pay over everything, Same as men at work, land down under, rip off of a old children nursery ryme, they now have to pay all the money to this guy. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/12/2016 19:52:50 1937896 Link
Replying To cuederocket: "Seen as though a large percentage of the population cannot speak Irish and don't know what the hell their singing i would welcome the removal of our anthem before all games.Provincial,League and All Ire finals should suffice.Are we the only country whos anthem very few understand word for word?No doubt all the gaelgoirs and fluent irish speakers will be quick to ridicule my point but if most of the people i go to matches with are anything to go by,none of them know what they are singing for large parts. Another thing i'd get rid of is the ever more common minutes silence for someone who passed away before nearly every game these days.With 99% of the crowd not knowing who the person is.That should be a private affair for the persons own family and club." Those who don't know the anthem in Irish ought to learn it, without a doubt. And it should be taught in schools. Incidentally I knew the anthem in English before I knew it in Irish! There was some kind of big encyclopedia about Ireland in the school, and there was an article on the national anthem, and it did note that the Irish version is the one most commonly sung, as we all know. It then proceeded to give the lyrics in English. It was originally written in English in fact, and the Irish version is a translation. Interestingly, the original English contains the Irish phrase "bearna baoil", the gap of danger. I think I first came across the Irish version when I heard everyone singing it at a GAA game, and from then I got my hands on the lyrics somewhere, probably the match programme. Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1032 - 01/12/2016 20:05:53 1937903 Link
Replying To Cavan_Slasher: "Do away with our Anthem and Flag at your peril you Meath boyos. Haven't felt so outraged since Joe scored the try." Remember you have to drive through kells. Should you in the unlikely event get to play in croke park again. We have rubble at the ready. :) royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/12/2016 20:24:41 1937908 Link
Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "Those who don't know the anthem in Irish ought to learn it, without a doubt. And it should be taught in schools. Incidentally I knew the anthem in English before I knew it in Irish! There was some kind of big encyclopedia about Ireland in the school, and there was an article on the national anthem, and it did note that the Irish version is the one most commonly sung, as we all know. It then proceeded to give the lyrics in English. It was originally written in English in fact, and the Irish version is a translation. Interestingly, the original English contains the Irish phrase "bearna baoil", the gap of danger. I think I first came across the Irish version when I heard everyone singing it at a GAA game, and from then I got my hands on the lyrics somewhere, probably the match programme." Wasn't it also said to be a marching tune in its early days?! It's strange then that some think it is dreary - I'd love to know what they have in mind as an alternative. I think it's history, lyrics and tune make it one of the better anthems. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 01/12/2016 20:27:29 1937909 Link
Replying To Soma: "Wasn't it also said to be a marching tune in its early days?! It's strange then that some think it is dreary - I'd love to know what they have in mind as an alternative. I think it's history, lyrics and tune make it one of the better anthems." Oh its a dreadful anthem as a song its one of the worst. The best is the French one imo followed by the Italian one then the USA. The only one tune wise that's worse id say is gstq horrendous too. Look at it from a purely a musical pov. Not with the green jersey on. That all been said I didn't say never play it, I just find it pointless and indeed derogatory to play it at every match and should be reserved only for finals.. National occasions not every two bit game up and down country. As for the flag? I have no problem with it been flown. As I said the only flag I am interested in is the Meath one. On a side note I and vast majority of people I know who go to games go to support their county or watch a game of football, I go to watch Meath play, I dont go to reaffirm my irishness, or to fill a void in my national identity, I go for the sport, perhaps I have it backways and it should be all about national identity, singing the anthem (majority havent a clue what they singing) looking at the flag with a tear in my eye, and the game itself is very much second, but that's not how I see it, I go to watch a sport I love, if I need to reaffirm me been Irish ill look at my passport, and btw I never seen anyone leave after the anthem. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/12/2016 20:50:17 1937911 Link
http://hoganstand.com/forum/FindPostPage.aspx?MessageID=1937908 I was in Kells recently. It's like a town from another era. The 40's. The 1840's. I prefer Navan. Could you lot move the stones? Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 01/12/2016 21:32:46 1937914 Link
Replying To Cavan_Slasher: "http://hoganstand.com/forum/FindPostPage.aspx?MessageID=1937908 I was in Kells recently. It's like a town from another era. The 40's. The 1840's. I prefer Navan. Could you lot move the stones?" Ahh I don't come from kells, jasus the last time I was in it was ages ago, I actually think cavan were playing London in Croker, Total coincidence:) royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/12/2016 21:46:12 1937917 Link
Ok I am as proud of the Tricolour as the next man and the anthem in all its glory. I am aware it is only a few short years ago that it was actually banned in the six counties and Paisley referred to it as "terrorist rag". I am also aware successive Irish governments colluded in this nonsense i.e. allowing it NOT to be flown at Windsor Park for International football matches any other country would simply refuse to play on that condition. I am also aware other sport bodies are at best lukewarm and at worst outright hostile to both flag and anthem. BUT there still is a case for maybe a case for discussing it especially if other traditions are willing to reciprocate. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 01/12/2016 21:56:03 1937919 Link
Replying To arock: "Ok I am as proud of the Tricolour as the next man and the anthem in all its glory. I am aware it is only a few short years ago that it was actually banned in the six counties and Paisley referred to it as "terrorist rag". I am also aware successive Irish governments colluded in this nonsense i.e. allowing it NOT to be flown at Windsor Park for International football matches any other country would simply refuse to play on that condition. I am also aware other sport bodies are at best lukewarm and at worst outright hostile to both flag and anthem. BUT there still is a case for maybe a case for discussing it especially if other traditions are willing to reciprocate." What other traditions? I assume you speak of those from the unionist side, so tell me when they mentioned reciprocation? In fact show me an example of this utopian world where unionists have ever accommodated or recognised my Irish identity without being hauled through the courts. bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 01/12/2016 22:50:29 1937928 Link
Royaldunne, "On a side note I and vast majority of people I know who go to games go to support their county or watch a game of football, I go to watch Meath play, I dont go to reaffirm my irishness, or to fill a void in my national identity, I go for the sport" In doing so, perhaps you are in fact reaffirming your Irishness, albeit unconsciously. keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 02/12/2016 00:13:28 1937933 Link
Htaem, "I think I have heard an orchestral version of Amhran na bhfiann before, it was years ago though and some cheap cd we had in the house so it's probably not the version you're talking about." RTE used to play it every night before 'Closedown' along with visions of waterfalls & other lovely Irish scenery. keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 02/12/2016 00:21:02 1937934 Link
Replying To arock: "Ok I am as proud of the Tricolour as the next man and the anthem in all its glory. I am aware it is only a few short years ago that it was actually banned in the six counties and Paisley referred to it as "terrorist rag". I am also aware successive Irish governments colluded in this nonsense i.e. allowing it NOT to be flown at Windsor Park for International football matches any other country would simply refuse to play on that condition. I am also aware other sport bodies are at best lukewarm and at worst outright hostile to both flag and anthem. BUT there still is a case for maybe a case for discussing it especially if other traditions are willing to reciprocate." This is the crux of the matter, no body else on the other side is willing to compromise nor have ever even asked for it. The hate that is shown to our national flag & anthem by one tradition in the North won't change with a different flag & anthem, the hate will remain. As for the numptys on here advocating dumping our flag & anthem, they would in a time of war be the guys who were yellow, ran & deserted, no backbone at all. It's no surprise the EU, ECB & Germans pissed all over us in the last few years. No pride & no identity, some of these guys probably know more words to God save the Queen. Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 02/12/2016 00:37:21 1937935 Link
Replying To Uimhir.a.3.: "This is the crux of the matter, no body else on the other side is willing to compromise nor have ever even asked for it. The hate that is shown to our national flag & anthem by one tradition in the North won't change with a different flag & anthem, the hate will remain. As for the numptys on here advocating dumping our flag & anthem, they would in a time of war be the guys who were yellow, ran & deserted, no backbone at all. It's no surprise the EU, ECB & Germans pissed all over us in the last few years. No pride & no identity, some of these guys probably know more words to God save the Queen." A lot of hate around alright..... I hate them'uns for hating us'uns himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 02/12/2016 09:26:56 1937950 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Remember you have to drive through kells. Should you in the unlikely event get to play in croke park again. We have rubble at the ready. :)" "Unlikely" he says. You do know it's only the luck of the draw that has us playing Dublin at home in the league rather than in Croker. By the way, have they sloped the pitch in Croker for when ye meet Dublin this year? Rolling over is much more fun on hilly ground. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 02/12/2016 09:45:30 1937953 Link
Replying To keeper7: "Htaem, "I think I have heard an orchestral version of Amhran na bhfiann before, it was years ago though and some cheap cd we had in the house so it's probably not the version you're talking about." RTE used to play it every night before 'Closedown' along with visions of waterfalls & other lovely Irish scenery." Oh jasus I remember that, real stonage stuff, it was preceded by a prayer at night , royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 02/12/2016 09:52:50 1937954 Link
Replying To himachechy: "A lot of hate around alright..... I hate them'uns for hating us'uns" You speaking from experience there? bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 02/12/2016 14:12:24 1938013 Link
Yeah, I remember the version of the national anthem that was played at RTE close-down (I think most kids who grew up in that era, will remember a sense of achievement at managing to stay up that late, after successfully blending into the sofa unnoticed) Just looked it up, and I still found it pretty stirring, its probably the best version of the anthem I've heard, I love it. Especially married to the nature imagery used in the clip (that probably was a golden era for nature photography/film on Irish TV, with Éamon de Buitléar, Gerrit van Gelderen, etc), really affecting. Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 02/12/2016 17:49:29 1938061 Link
Ah yes,Nightlight and then the Anthem and sneak one of the old man's Goldflake if he'd gone off to bed.Blow the bloody head off ya ! Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 02/12/2016 20:08:47 1938087 Link
Was never at a rugby match although i watched a few Irish matches on t.v. I don't think i'd have been heavy or fat enough for that game as a young lad. Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 02/12/2016 20:22:32 1938089 Link