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Replying To 73forever: "An eminently sensible suggestion which could be played off over 2 months- will never get traction with the old men who run the GAA though - too much like soccer with their leagues - you need knockout, back doors, playoffs - anything but league in their eyes for a championship." GAA makes too much money off the current structure.
Nobody really cares about Munster or Leinster championship, but the structure with the subsequent playoffs maximizes the revenue generation .
In recent years, Dublin/Mayo/Kerry have generated unprecedented revenue for GAA due to replayed games.
GAA are quiet happy with the current system...
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Replying To Rockies: "GAA makes too much money off the current structure.
Nobody really cares about Munster or Leinster championship, but the structure with the subsequent playoffs maximizes the revenue generation .
In recent years, Dublin/Mayo/Kerry have generated unprecedented revenue for GAA due to replayed games.
GAA are quiet happy with the current system..." Attendances have dropped so I can't say I necessarily agree with you there.
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Replying To keeper7: "Attendances have dropped so I can't say I necessarily agree with you there." As long as Dublin are on top in football, and play to capacity crowds in Croker, the GAA will be happy.
They were concerned when GAA wasn't flourishing in the capital.
Also, they can continue to charge exorbitant prices for finals. Supply and demand
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 25/11/2016 12:21:58
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Cork are starting to produce underage again in Hurling. If you look at the schools scores in the Dean Ryan and Harty there is a notable shift in the last 2-3 seasons. We haven't won it but 5 of the 8 qtr finalists in the Harty last year came from Cork. St Colman's won the Dean Ryan last weekend beating a strong Thurles outfit that had beaten all before them getting to the final.
We are lacking a bit in Strength and Conditioning when we get past the U14 to U17 stage. At the minor hurling game this year a fine Tipp team outscored us by 11 points down the home stretch in a game we led by 6 before that. Unfortunately that was their last game as no second chance for losing semi finalists. It's hard to blame the system every year though as if you are losing every year there is something else also wrong. I think at last there is a realisation that something needs to be done in strength and conditioning and some appointments have been made in the recent months.
In Football I would argue strangely enough that we are going against the curve certainly at U-21 when compared to Investment to underage development. At senior level in Football we were never much stronger than every 10-15 years having a really strong Team that challenged for 1 or 2 AIs. It's in hurling that we have fallen off the map.
All said the County Board in Cork are the equivalent of a fella begrudgingly going down to the Garage to trade in his 1986 Ford Escort for a newer model because he can't get leaded Petrol anymore and he is only talking to half his neighbours as they have been telling him to change it for the last 10 years.
The strength of the Cork Championship in hurling at the moment is a testament to the lack of underage talent through the 00 and the earlier part of the current decade. A lot of the best players at Senior are from the early 00s. I'd expect that to change in the next few years when the underage feeds through but there is still always the dilution effect in a County the size of Cork.
As regards the Club Championship defeats I think it is disrespectful to the Nire. They are actually a fine side and were close to beating Crokes a couple of seasons back. Ballyea are actually a fine side also and were twice as good as the Glen.
Also if you look at Dublin Footballers they went 16 years without an AI Football prior to 2011 and now 5 years later they are talking about splitting the County in 2.
Cornerback1977 (Cork) - Posts: 67 - 25/11/2016 13:07:23
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Replying To Cornerback1977: "Cork are starting to produce underage again in Hurling. If you look at the schools scores in the Dean Ryan and Harty there is a notable shift in the last 2-3 seasons. We haven't won it but 5 of the 8 qtr finalists in the Harty last year came from Cork. St Colman's won the Dean Ryan last weekend beating a strong Thurles outfit that had beaten all before them getting to the final.
We are lacking a bit in Strength and Conditioning when we get past the U14 to U17 stage. At the minor hurling game this year a fine Tipp team outscored us by 11 points down the home stretch in a game we led by 6 before that. Unfortunately that was their last game as no second chance for losing semi finalists. It's hard to blame the system every year though as if you are losing every year there is something else also wrong. I think at last there is a realisation that something needs to be done in strength and conditioning and some appointments have been made in the recent months.
In Football I would argue strangely enough that we are going against the curve certainly at U-21 when compared to Investment to underage development. At senior level in Football we were never much stronger than every 10-15 years having a really strong Team that challenged for 1 or 2 AIs. It's in hurling that we have fallen off the map.
All said the County Board in Cork are the equivalent of a fella begrudgingly going down to the Garage to trade in his 1986 Ford Escort for a newer model because he can't get leaded Petrol anymore and he is only talking to half his neighbours as they have been telling him to change it for the last 10 years.
The strength of the Cork Championship in hurling at the moment is a testament to the lack of underage talent through the 00 and the earlier part of the current decade. A lot of the best players at Senior are from the early 00s. I'd expect that to change in the next few years when the underage feeds through but there is still always the dilution effect in a County the size of Cork.
As regards the Club Championship defeats I think it is disrespectful to the Nire. They are actually a fine side and were close to beating Crokes a couple of seasons back. Ballyea are actually a fine side also and were twice as good as the Glen.
Also if you look at Dublin Footballers they went 16 years without an AI Football prior to 2011 and now 5 years later they are talking about splitting the County in 2." Very good post.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 25/11/2016 16:46:59
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Carbery were missing John O'Rourke, one of the best club footballers in Cork and with him Carbery would be in the Munster final and serious All-Ireland contenders.
On a separate point, Tipperary are not entering into the Munster league again this year. Why would they bother when they don't mind using UCC, CIT, UL, LIT, WIT,UCD etc as nurseries for bringing on players from minor to U21 and senior. These players coming down to Cork have too much insight with what is happening in Cork. Diarmuid O'Flynn (Ballyhea and Irish Examiner) passionately argued against third level teams entering into the Co.Championship back in 1999 and I'd have to give him credit for his plea.
The Cork Senior Hurling championship is a poor standard and unless you're following or a member of a club the games are hard watching
The_Bull (Cork) - Posts: 248 - 25/11/2016 18:24:39
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Replying To The_Bull: "Carbery were missing John O'Rourke, one of the best club footballers in Cork and with him Carbery would be in the Munster final and serious All-Ireland contenders.
On a separate point, Tipperary are not entering into the Munster league again this year. Why would they bother when they don't mind using UCC, CIT, UL, LIT, WIT,UCD etc as nurseries for bringing on players from minor to U21 and senior. These players coming down to Cork have too much insight with what is happening in Cork. Diarmuid O'Flynn (Ballyhea and Irish Examiner) passionately argued against third level teams entering into the Co.Championship back in 1999 and I'd have to give him credit for his plea.
The Cork Senior Hurling championship is a poor standard and unless you're following or a member of a club the games are hard watching" Hurling: Contrast the club scene now with that of the competition in the 1970's when we had rivalry between Blackrock, Barrs and Glen. One game between Blackrock and Barrs was a tumultous affair with several sent off....including a year's suspension for Gerald McCarthy.
Cork were winning All Ireland then...winning the All Ireland club also.
Need to get that fire back into the county. Referees should stop blowing up for silly frees and allow players to play with more fire.
The club championship this year was poor.Erin's Own are nowhere near the required standard. Glen have a lot of older players who fell short on the intercounty arena in the last few years. Cork needs new blood and quick.
Football: Not as bad as hurling. Could have beaten Donegal this year except Patrick McBrearty was allowed to run rampant. Still..Aidan Walsh return might help...and Billy Morgan is correct saying we need an outside coach...James Horan maybe?
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Replying To Rockies: "Hurling: Contrast the club scene now with that of the competition in the 1970's when we had rivalry between Blackrock, Barrs and Glen. One game between Blackrock and Barrs was a tumultous affair with several sent off....including a year's suspension for Gerald McCarthy.
Cork were winning All Ireland then...winning the All Ireland club also.
Need to get that fire back into the county. Referees should stop blowing up for silly frees and allow players to play with more fire.
The club championship this year was poor.Erin's Own are nowhere near the required standard. Glen have a lot of older players who fell short on the intercounty arena in the last few years. Cork needs new blood and quick.
Football: Not as bad as hurling. Could have beaten Donegal this year except Patrick McBrearty was allowed to run rampant. Still..Aidan Walsh return might help...and Billy Morgan is correct saying we need an outside coach...James Horan maybe?" I don't think a good club scene is as good as a barometer as it used to be. I don't think any of the top counties now can lay claim to a strong club scene. Galway is probably the most unpredictable at the minute but it's not as fierce and of as a high a quality as in the past by any stretch. Thurles are more or less dominating at every level in Tipp and the KK club scene doesn't seem to be what it was either. My opinion on Tipp's successes over recent years is down almost fully to the development squads. Players know each others games inside out well before minor level in both codes.
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Replying To tiobraid: "I don't think a good club scene is as good as a barometer as it used to be. I don't think any of the top counties now can lay claim to a strong club scene. Galway is probably the most unpredictable at the minute but it's not as fierce and of as a high a quality as in the past by any stretch. Thurles are more or less dominating at every level in Tipp and the KK club scene doesn't seem to be what it was either. My opinion on Tipp's successes over recent years is down almost fully to the development squads. Players know each others games inside out well before minor level in both codes." Blackrock have been dominating underage in Cork for years, in hurling.
Finally they won something at senior level on Saturday..the hurling league, by beating Newtown 2-18 to 2-9.
Might be hope on horizon yet...they have some good players
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Replying To Rockies: "Blackrock have been dominating underage in Cork for years, in hurling.
Finally they won something at senior level on Saturday..the hurling league, by beating Newtown 2-18 to 2-9.
Might be hope on horizon yet...they have some good players" It takes time to transfer to senior. I think Na Piarsaigh from Limerick were similar. We played them in a challenge U21 and I think they were going for 3 in a row at that time but still hadn't won anything at senior (I think). They were the most professional looking team I ever seen though even at that stage.....they seemed to have serious resources
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The short passing style of many hurling clubs in Cork is not good to watch
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Cork seem to be shaping up better this year. Some decent results pre season.
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Replying To Jack_Sparrow: "Cork seem to be shaping up better this year. Some decent results pre season." Indeed! Early days yet, of course. Plus I presume Clare were far from full strength
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Yes. The league will tell more but winning is a good habit regardless. Racking up good scores too which hasn't happened in recent years. Have a good feeling about them.
Jack_Sparrow (Westmeath) - Posts: 1018 - 26/01/2017 09:47:04
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Replying To Jack_Sparrow: "Cork seem to be shaping up better this year. Some decent results pre season." Wouldn't read anything into the Munster League results.Lets see how Cork go in the league before judging their worth.
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Agree all round. Some good results. Winning is a habit. Teams not at full strength. The league will give a better indication of where we are at.
People would be sticking the boot in if we were losing these games. Can accept that though. The last few years have not been good. Players need to prove people wrong on the field.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 26/01/2017 15:06:11
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Of more interest than the Munster League is the Schools scene in Cork. Midleton knocked out Ard Scoil Ris from the Harty Cup last week after a replay. Colman's await them in the Semi Final tomorrow in what should be a cracker (They have met twice already with 1 win each). Cork in the last few years have been getting 3-4 Teams in the closing stages of the Harty Cup and for the most part competing strongly. Compare that to the decade beforehand they had nothing. Colmans of Fermoy also won the Dean Ryan U 16.5 and ended up losing a very close AI Final to St Kieran's. That is the bar in my eyes. Massive work has gone in under-age at Clubs & Rebel Og level. Massive numbers playing the games. Cork clubs like the Glen starting to get really strong in the Feile competitions. If we can start winning a Minor title again think we can take off. Of course Tipperary are continuously producing talented players also in the last few years.
Lazy journalism that states Cork are finished because of Senior results drives me mad. There is still a lot wrong in Cork but in Hurling in the next few seasons you are going to see a lot of talent coming through. Ask any fella who says Cork Hurling is dead how the Schools & Clubs are getting on and they couldn't tell you.
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Replying To Cornerback1977: "Of more interest than the Munster League is the Schools scene in Cork. Midleton knocked out Ard Scoil Ris from the Harty Cup last week after a replay. Colman's await them in the Semi Final tomorrow in what should be a cracker (They have met twice already with 1 win each). Cork in the last few years have been getting 3-4 Teams in the closing stages of the Harty Cup and for the most part competing strongly. Compare that to the decade beforehand they had nothing. Colmans of Fermoy also won the Dean Ryan U 16.5 and ended up losing a very close AI Final to St Kieran's. That is the bar in my eyes. Massive work has gone in under-age at Clubs & Rebel Og level. Massive numbers playing the games. Cork clubs like the Glen starting to get really strong in the Feile competitions. If we can start winning a Minor title again think we can take off. Of course Tipperary are continuously producing talented players also in the last few years.
Lazy journalism that states Cork are finished because of Senior results drives me mad. There is still a lot wrong in Cork but in Hurling in the next few seasons you are going to see a lot of talent coming through. Ask any fella who says Cork Hurling is dead how the Schools & Clubs are getting on and they couldn't tell you." Very good post Cornerback......good to see underage going in the right direction, particularly the Harty Cup.....hopefully the Harty will
reside on Leeside this year. It's obvious Cork hurling is reigniting from a young aged base and that's very encouraging for the future of minor teams. Regarding the current Munster SHL....even this early in the year, it's nice to see a Cork team winning games as that instills a winning mentality, particularly for newer players. A clean sheet by winning the SHL would enhance that mentality.......however, I expect Limerick might disagree and will be looking for revenge for the previous drubbing. Cork Hurling = PATIENCE!!!
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Not losing the plot......it's still only January........but it's encouraging!
eaglehaslanded (Cork) - Posts: 135 - 29/01/2017 15:58:52
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It's the League and the Cork revival continues
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