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Well Done Lee Keegan !!

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Not sure how quiet Keegan keeps Connoly he got 1-2 acorss the two games. Considering it was pretty dire football served up i wouldnt say he was quiet as all, as for his general play he was probably Dublins best forward."
I don't think you can blame Lee for the goal as it was a penalty and he wasn't on the field at the time. So two points from play in a game and a half and Lee gets a goal from half back. Advantage Lee I'd be thinking. Now if it were anyone else bar Connolly I'd expect you to say so what, but to outscore a player with Connollys reputation over the two games, considering the esteem in which he's held by Dublin supporters, I'd have thought you'd to be in awe of Lee.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 13/11/2016 23:07:02    1934036

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Llaw_Gyffes - The goal from the penalty by Diarmuid Connolly was some goal, measured to perfection. Certainly worth a
couple of stars when assessing his performance on the day.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 14/11/2016 11:16:21    1934088

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Replying To fainleog:  "Llaw_Gyffes - The goal from the penalty by Diarmuid Connolly was some goal, measured to perfection. Certainly worth a
couple of stars when assessing his performance on the day."
A brilliant penalty, but you've completely missed his point.
In no way should the penalty be used to judge Lee's performance.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5018 - 14/11/2016 11:47:24    1934096

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In fairness I think Lee probably had better years than this year but the award probably went to him as a cumulative thing. He really has been outstanding for the last few years.

Added to that I don't think that there was an outstanding other candidate this year. Fenton and Kilkenny had good years, no doubt, but like Lee they didn't have stellar years. It happens sometimes.

I certainly think Lee is more deserving than Jack McCaffrey was last year for example. Philly Mc was the real POTY last year.

Overall I think Lee Keegan was the best choice for POTY, as he has been outstanding for a number of years now, even if he didn't reach the heights we know he can.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 14/11/2016 12:02:23    1934102

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cavanman47 - Just to let you know I am no way impressed with Keegans antics on the field of play and the sooner
those things are penalised in our games the better. It will not help Mayo to win an All-Ireland.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 14/11/2016 12:45:58    1934121

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "I don't think you can blame Lee for the goal as it was a penalty and he wasn't on the field at the time. So two points from play in a game and a half and Lee gets a goal from half back. Advantage Lee I'd be thinking. Now if it were anyone else bar Connolly I'd expect you to say so what, but to outscore a player with Connollys reputation over the two games, considering the esteem in which he's held by Dublin supporters, I'd have thought you'd to be in awe of Lee."
That's a very statistical analysis mate, if your raw number crunching it tells one tale. But I suppose Dermot isn't known for heing a high scoring forward in the guise of say a Brogan or a McManus, although given Mayos all out defensive approach I think that score is quite reasonable given the context. Dermots talents lie in vision and taking the ball into contact he's often the foundation of Dublin manoeuvring into scoring positions, the whole package really. To be honest the only game I saw him struggle in this year was Vs Kerry in the league final, everyone else danced to his tune really. It was his awareness and movement that led to Keegan black carded, so you would have to give that Dermot. I'm loath to say because of the great times Dublin and Mayo have had. But with his medal haul at Club and County level, One will go down as an all time great, the other will be a very good player. I don't think Keegan was pratcularly a stern test for him, more par for the course of the attention he gets, bar it's a test when someone is pulling out of you all game. I know Mayo fans don't see Dermot regularly but Keegan does nothing on Connolly that wasn't done by every other team in the country. Keeping someone quiet isn't allowing someone's play getting you sent off, leaving them to mop up goals and waving up to them in the Hogan Stand as they lift Sam again.

He's a fantastic attacking half back, I don't think Mayo play to his strengths though - fantastic goal in the final. It would be great to see him in say a Side that play open football like Kerry - well defore they went defensive or Tyrone, but he's a very good player no doubt.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 14/11/2016 19:40:47    1934230

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Replying To MesAmis:  "In fairness I think Lee probably had better years than this year but the award probably went to him as a cumulative thing. He really has been outstanding for the last few years.

Added to that I don't think that there was an outstanding other candidate this year. Fenton and Kilkenny had good years, no doubt, but like Lee they didn't have stellar years. It happens sometimes.

I certainly think Lee is more deserving than Jack McCaffrey was last year for example. Philly Mc was the real POTY last year.

Overall I think Lee Keegan was the best choice for POTY, as he has been outstanding for a number of years now, even if he didn't reach the heights we know he can."
Mes how come Philly didn't get poty last year?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 14/11/2016 21:28:15    1934248

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Replying To TheUsername:  "That's a very statistical analysis mate, if your raw number crunching it tells one tale. But I suppose Dermot isn't known for heing a high scoring forward in the guise of say a Brogan or a McManus, although given Mayos all out defensive approach I think that score is quite reasonable given the context. Dermots talents lie in vision and taking the ball into contact he's often the foundation of Dublin manoeuvring into scoring positions, the whole package really. To be honest the only game I saw him struggle in this year was Vs Kerry in the league final, everyone else danced to his tune really. It was his awareness and movement that led to Keegan black carded, so you would have to give that Dermot. I'm loath to say because of the great times Dublin and Mayo have had. But with his medal haul at Club and County level, One will go down as an all time great, the other will be a very good player. I don't think Keegan was pratcularly a stern test for him, more par for the course of the attention he gets, bar it's a test when someone is pulling out of you all game. I know Mayo fans don't see Dermot regularly but Keegan does nothing on Connolly that wasn't done by every other team in the country. Keeping someone quiet isn't allowing someone's play getting you sent off, leaving them to mop up goals and waving up to them in the Hogan Stand as they lift Sam again.

He's a fantastic attacking half back, I don't think Mayo play to his strengths though - fantastic goal in the final. It would be great to see him in say a Side that play open football like Kerry - well defore they went defensive or Tyrone, but he's a very good player no doubt."
I don't think that in a team sport the amount of medals you win is a true barometer when measuring individual greatness. I believe that had Keegan been playing for Dublin he would have four Celtic crosses in his pocket. In fairness, to balance that, I think if Connolly had been playing for us he would have at least one. Looking back on the drawn final Connolly had minimal influence on the game from open play, whether that was as a result of him being pulled or dragged by Keegan is a moot point but whatever means were adopted by Keegan they worked. I think Keegans sending off was more a result of pressure from the scribes and weak refereeing than any movement on Connollys part, although his movement towards the ref while waving an imaginary card was quite impressive. I'm not saying Connolly isn't a good footballer but I always thought he was a scorer of great points rather than a great scorer of points. Brogan on the other hand, now that's what I call a great player. In my saner moments I wonder how Mayo would have fared had they put Keegan marking Brogan in 2013 and O Donoghue in 2014 but I suppose there are only so many fires Lee can put out. Anyway we will agree to differ on this one, although I find it hard to argue with all the success the Dubs have had over the last few years, still one has to fight ones corner.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 15/11/2016 20:33:53    1934512

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "I don't think that in a team sport the amount of medals you win is a true barometer when measuring individual greatness. I believe that had Keegan been playing for Dublin he would have four Celtic crosses in his pocket. In fairness, to balance that, I think if Connolly had been playing for us he would have at least one. Looking back on the drawn final Connolly had minimal influence on the game from open play, whether that was as a result of him being pulled or dragged by Keegan is a moot point but whatever means were adopted by Keegan they worked. I think Keegans sending off was more a result of pressure from the scribes and weak refereeing than any movement on Connollys part, although his movement towards the ref while waving an imaginary card was quite impressive. I'm not saying Connolly isn't a good footballer but I always thought he was a scorer of great points rather than a great scorer of points. Brogan on the other hand, now that's what I call a great player. In my saner moments I wonder how Mayo would have fared had they put Keegan marking Brogan in 2013 and O Donoghue in 2014 but I suppose there are only so many fires Lee can put out. Anyway we will agree to differ on this one, although I find it hard to argue with all the success the Dubs have had over the last few years, still one has to fight ones corner."
Never the twain mate, but great chat!

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 15/11/2016 22:05:21    1934535

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