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Replying To ROS1: "Thurles and clones do not have a&es it does not stop them holding big matches. 53k is alot bigger then a Connacht final. Galway is at the bottom edge of the province, is traffic clogged, there is a very poor roads from the rest of the province to Galway.
How many concerts are held in gaa grounds around the country very few. Galway is to small for any concert. It is very unlikely as galway is on the western coast that any neutral game would be held there. well the Hyde would be nearer to Kilkenny then your galway idea. Galway is also probably the worst supported county in Connacht as well so your argument bout population is moot" Ros1 read my post again, I said East of Galway city, I also said a stadium as a centre of excellence with an academic attachment to a University, not just a pitch by a college.
All of the provinces are moving to the main urban centres. The Ulster council are about to move to Belfast away from Clones.
PS: By the way the road network to Galway is excellent via the motorway and the new M17 is well advanced of completion.
PPS: As another contributor noted, nobody wants to go to Roscommon. I am amazed how many people can travel to Galway to work and college everyday but can't on a Sunday afternoon.
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Replying To moc.dna: "There are three glaring inaccuracies in your post, you need to some research." Do me a favour and edit the post so.
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I can't believe I'm getting into this debate but here goes, Sligo town is out to far north, Castlebar is out as it is central to only Westport, Carrick on Shannon is out to small and Leitrim people have no delusions of grandeur anyway, Roscommon is out no infrastructure of any sort (not even an A&E for a major incident), as for Claremorris it received the only infrastructure it required already a bypass.
The only logical location to build a Stadium in the West of Ireland is the East side of Galway city near the old Airport or Racetrack. Half the population of the provience already lives here in the city and county. The population of Galway city is almost the same as Co. Mayo or Sligo, Leitrim and Roscommon combined. Nowhere else has the hospital, or hotel capacity (for concerts), road or rail network. It has the ability to provide a new home for Connacht rugby, however I never see that exceeding 20000. It can be linked to the only University in Connacht in order to partner for relevant sport science work similar to the work that Niall Moyna carries out in DCU. It also offers the IRFU, GAA & FAI a central location for games outside of Dublin e.g a qualifier or quarter final game say between Kerry and Donegal or Derry and Cork. If the Leinster council get there act together it would also be able to host Galway/kilkenny or do ye propose bringing that the Hyde also?
GDL (Galway) - Posts:89 - 10/11/2016 22:22:24Only logical location is Galway city but that doesn't mean it should be picked. NUIG doesn't have any sport science courses like DCU or UL or UCC. Closest it has is a sports and exercise engineering programme. IRFU will nearly always use Thomond, Ravenhill ahead of any other venue outside Dublin.
How many concerts are held in gaa grounds around the country very few. Galway is to small for any concert. It is very unlikely as galway is on the western coast that any neutral game would be held there. well the Hyde would be nearer to Kilkenny then your galway idea. Galway is also probably the worst supported county in Connacht as well so your argument bout population is moot
ROS1 (Roscommon) - Posts:847 - 11/11/2016 00:15:23 Galway isn't in any way too small for any concert.
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Hyde Park is being redeveloped. It's an established venue with nearby shops, pubs, restaurants in the town. About two hours drive max from anywhere in the province. Not that excessive when people travel longer to get to other games outside the province.
A new stadium in Galway will cost a load of cash. Road access to the East of the city should be definitely easier than to Salthill. But building on a site in an area with access to shops, pubs and restaurants ups the costs and if you don't have them it's not much of a venue. The tie-in with UCG is a good plan and, no disrespect to Roscommon, people might spend a day or two around Galway for a match especially a night game.
Tuam was my favourite venue. Right in the town, great atmosphere on match day. Similarish loaction-wise to The Sportsground. Traffic is a problem there but a park and ride system would help there. The greyhound track is a stumbling block to developing The Sportsground and Pearse Stadium seemingly can only have sports in the ground. Is it feasible to move the dogs to Salthill and redevelop The Sportsground as a groundshare between the GAA and Rugby?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 11/11/2016 12:33:34
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The best location is Galway.
GDL (Galway) - Posts:89 - 11/11/2016 09:25:40
Let's play devils advocate here.
Suppose Galway get their wish and become a full-time leinster championship team at all levels.
Then how would a stadium in Galway benefit Connacht GAA?
Surely the centre of Connacht GAA, its heartlands, will be much further north in the province then?
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The fields of Athenry should be developed, people are singing about them long enough imo
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Hyde Park is being redeveloped. It's an established venue with nearby shops, pubs, restaurants in the town. About two hours drive max from anywhere in the province. Not that excessive when people travel longer to get to other games outside the province.
A new stadium in Galway will cost a load of cash. Road access to the East of the city should be definitely easier than to Salthill. But building on a site in an area with access to shops, pubs and restaurants ups the costs and if you don't have them it's not much of a venue. The tie-in with UCG is a good plan and, no disrespect to Roscommon, people might spend a day or two around Galway for a match especially a night game.
Tuam was my favourite venue. Right in the town, great atmosphere on match day. Similarish loaction-wise to The Sportsground. Traffic is a problem there but a park and ride system would help there. The greyhound track is a stumbling block to developing The Sportsground and Pearse Stadium seemingly can only have sports in the ground. Is it feasible to move the dogs to Salthill and redevelop The Sportsground as a groundshare between the GAA and Rugby?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts:2972 - 11/11/2016 12:33:34Wouldn't be enough room for a GAA pitch and stands with enough capacity in the sportsground. Tie in with NUIG doesn't work in terms of sports science as there is no courses of that nature bar a sports and exercise engineering which isn't sports science like the courses in Limerick, DCU
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Replying To GDL: "Ros1 read my post again, I said East of Galway city, I also said a stadium as a centre of excellence with an academic attachment to a University, not just a pitch by a college.
All of the provinces are moving to the main urban centres. The Ulster council are about to move to Belfast away from Clones.
PS: By the way the road network to Galway is excellent via the motorway and the new M17 is well advanced of completion.
PPS: As another contributor noted, nobody wants to go to Roscommon. I am amazed how many people can travel to Galway to work and college everyday but can't on a Sunday afternoon." A college does not need a stadium a centre of excellence is a different project all together. Casement is a poor idea there is no reason why we have to follow suit.
If the motorway goes ahead might help some people. But it will still be 50 miles of poor roads and more for alot of people to get to tuam never mind the city
Yes I know alot of people who love been stuck in traffic every morning going into them, claregalway and the city. Great fun
Plus If you build it out at the airport you are not in a urban area you are in the middle of nowhere.far away from pubs shops etc.
Then off course you have the cost of buying the land planning objections which seem popular in Galway the cost of the new roads, distance from the train station, and of what pearse stadium that galway county board will still have to upkeep
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Replying To TheWestIsAwake: "Is Casement Park the centre of Ulster, its certainly not.
A stadium has to make financial sense first and foremost and throwing money at a project in Roscommon would be ridiculous given it would only likely be close to full capacity twice a year.
There's a reason why there are no concerts at Pearse Stadium, the stadium is one side of one of the more affluent areas of Galway. Galway has the infrastructure to cope with major concerts but doesn't have a stadium in the right part of town.
Between GAA games, Connacht Rugby & Concerts the stadium could attract good attendances for somewhere between 17-20 times a year and I'm sure even Galway would be able to attract a high profile soccer friendly to the City if they had a stadium capable of holding a large crowd.
Outside of Galway even talk of a new stadium is a non starter as no organisation in the world will throw 100m euro's at a project that could only deliver a sizeable attendance twice a year." What singer/band are capable of attracting a crowd of 20k would want to play in Galway none is the answer. You completely ignore the fact that rugby/soccer games are not allowed in gaa grounds and if a soccer game was to be held outside dublin galway would be well down the list. Connacht have a core support of around 3k in anycase a big stadium would be a disadvange to them
In regards roscommon it could hold a number of games currently held in croker where croker is to big for.
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Too many Stadiums for the GAA at the moment.The GAA hierarchy are becoming like the political elite do not care about the people at the bottom.Why does Munster need a large stadium in Kerry,Limerick,Cork,Thurles complete waste of money and egotism.
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "Hyde Park is being redeveloped. It's an established venue with nearby shops, pubs, restaurants in the town. About two hours drive max from anywhere in the province. Not that excessive when people travel longer to get to other games outside the province.
A new stadium in Galway will cost a load of cash. Road access to the East of the city should be definitely easier than to Salthill. But building on a site in an area with access to shops, pubs and restaurants ups the costs and if you don't have them it's not much of a venue. The tie-in with UCG is a good plan and, no disrespect to Roscommon, people might spend a day or two around Galway for a match especially a night game.
Tuam was my favourite venue. Right in the town, great atmosphere on match day. Similarish loaction-wise to The Sportsground. Traffic is a problem there but a park and ride system would help there. The greyhound track is a stumbling block to developing The Sportsground and Pearse Stadium seemingly can only have sports in the ground. Is it feasible to move the dogs to Salthill and redevelop The Sportsground as a groundshare between the GAA and Rugby?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts:2972 - 11/11/2016 12:33:34Wouldn't be enough room for a GAA pitch and stands with enough capacity in the sportsground. Tie in with NUIG doesn't work in terms of sports science as there is no courses of that nature bar a sports and exercise engineering which isn't sports science like the courses in Limerick, DCU" Certainly not if you use the existing main pitch. But if you knocked everything used the ground from the main pitch and back pitch and put the stadium parallel to the road it could be done. Planning permission would be a stumbling block though. GAA and Rugby could use club facilities for training or Pearse Stadium.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 11/11/2016 15:12:33
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Replying To ROS1: "What singer/band are capable of attracting a crowd of 20k would want to play in Galway none is the answer. You completely ignore the fact that rugby/soccer games are not allowed in gaa grounds and if a soccer game was to be held outside dublin galway would be well down the list. Connacht have a core support of around 3k in anycase a big stadium would be a disadvange to them
In regards roscommon it could hold a number of games currently held in croker where croker is to big for." Agree, a decent sized stadium in Roscommon could cater for the provincial needs of Connaught, All-Ireland quarter-finals/semi-finals and League Division finals. Galway is obviously the best centre to cater for the needs of rugby and soccer.
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Replying To gohome: "Too many Stadiums for the GAA at the moment.The GAA hierarchy are becoming like the political elite do not care about the people at the bottom.Why does Munster need a large stadium in Kerry,Limerick,Cork,Thurles complete waste of money and egotism." Your post is spot on & the most sensible, too much capital & time spent on white elephant stadiums & not enough spent on clubs, club games & games promotion in the community. The top tier in the Gaa are now solely focused on Inter County & Stadia, like our politicians they have lost touch with the people. Too many egotists at the top trying to leave legacies.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 11/11/2016 16:07:26
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What singer/band are capable of attracting a crowd of 20k would want to play in Galway none is the answer. You completely ignore the fact that rugby/soccer games are not allowed in gaa grounds and if a soccer game was to be held outside dublin galway would be well down the list. Connacht have a core support of around 3k in anycase a big stadium would be a disadvange to them
In regards roscommon it could hold a number of games currently held in croker where croker is to big for.
ROS1 (Roscommon) - Posts:849 - 11/11/2016 13:43:33 Lots of musicians would if there was appropriate venues in Galway.
Certainly not if you use the existing main pitch. But if you knocked everything used the ground from the main pitch and back pitch and put the stadium parallel to the road it could be done. Planning permission would be a stumbling block though. GAA and Rugby could use club facilities for training or Pearse Stadium.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts:2974 - 11/11/2016 15:12:33 Knocking everything to ground wouldn't ever happen. Connacht having the one base for everything is whats wanted and that idea is financially unsustainable
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Hyde Park is being redeveloped. It's an established venue with nearby shops, pubs, restaurants in the town. About two hours drive max from anywhere in the province. Not that excessive when people travel longer to get to other games outside the province.
A new stadium in Galway will cost a load of cash. Road access to the East of the city should be definitely easier than to Salthill. But building on a site in an area with access to shops, pubs and restaurants ups the costs and if you don't have them it's not much of a venue. The tie-in with UCG is a good plan and, no disrespect to Roscommon, people might spend a day or two around Galway for a match especially a night game.
Tuam was my favourite venue. Right in the town, great atmosphere on match day. Similarish loaction-wise to The Sportsground. Traffic is a problem there but a park and ride system would help there. The greyhound track is a stumbling block to developing The Sportsground and Pearse Stadium seemingly can only have sports in the ground. Is it feasible to move the dogs to Salthill and redevelop The Sportsground as a groundshare between the GAA and Rugby?" Galway City Council set up & provided a park & ride for years for Christmas shoppers to Galway City & couldnt make it work. The Gaa tried it recently in Galway & to say it was a shambles is an understatement. There are a number of owners of the Sportsground & this is complicating any development of it.
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "What singer/band are capable of attracting a crowd of 20k would want to play in Galway none is the answer. You completely ignore the fact that rugby/soccer games are not allowed in gaa grounds and if a soccer game was to be held outside dublin galway would be well down the list. Connacht have a core support of around 3k in anycase a big stadium would be a disadvange to them
In regards roscommon it could hold a number of games currently held in croker where croker is to big for.
ROS1 (Roscommon) - Posts:849 - 11/11/2016 13:43:33 Lots of musicians would if there was appropriate venues in Galway.
Certainly not if you use the existing main pitch. But if you knocked everything used the ground from the main pitch and back pitch and put the stadium parallel to the road it could be done. Planning permission would be a stumbling block though. GAA and Rugby could use club facilities for training or Pearse Stadium.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts:2974 - 11/11/2016 15:12:33 Knocking everything to ground wouldn't ever happen. Connacht having the one base for everything is whats wanted and that idea is financially unsustainable" Sound. I hope Rugby doesn't move from there. Great place great location.
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Replying To suckvalleypaddy: "The fields of Athenry should be developed, people are singing about them long enough imo" they are low and are prone to flooding
maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 11/11/2016 18:27:38
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Is Casement Park the centre of Ulster, its certainly not. A stadium has to make financial sense first and foremost and throwing money at a project in Roscommon would be ridiculous given it would only likely be close to full capacity twice a year. TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts:337 - 11/11/2016 11:37:46
The Proposed New Casement is a poor example to use, as it fails to offer solutions to almost every issue GAA fans currently face in Clones, including Capacity which has now been recently reduced to 34,000 on planning.
Ultimately a GAA Provincial Stadium has the main purpose of serving all of the GAA fans and Counties within that Province, the Initial discussion should be "What are our Provincial Needs?" In terms of Stadium size, location considering who will use it, and facilities required in the context of its use.
If the Stadium location is Ideal for GAA fans from all Counties within that Province, you will find it is still suitable for the other non-GAA stuff that is always thrown up ahead of the GAA fans needs. An Illusion that Rugby or Concert fans won't travel outside of the 5 or 6 largest Cities in Ireland is nonsense.
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Replying To TheWestIsAwake: "Is Casement Park the centre of Ulster, its certainly not.
A stadium has to make financial sense first and foremost and throwing money at a project in Roscommon would be ridiculous given it would only likely be close to full capacity twice a year.
There's a reason why there are no concerts at Pearse Stadium, the stadium is one side of one of the more affluent areas of Galway. Galway has the infrastructure to cope with major concerts but doesn't have a stadium in the right part of town.
Between GAA games, Connacht Rugby & Concerts the stadium could attract good attendances for somewhere between 17-20 times a year and I'm sure even Galway would be able to attract a high profile soccer friendly to the City if they had a stadium capable of holding a large crowd.
Outside of Galway even talk of a new stadium is a non starter as no organisation in the world will throw 100m euro's at a project that could only deliver a sizeable attendance twice a year." There would be no money thrown at Hyde Park, being upgraded, money allocated. Fully fit for the purpose of showing GAA matches, Connacht and fairly central for some playoff games. Not as an ideal venue as Galway for concerts but maybe in the future.
Has Connacht Rugby stated they want to part fund a new ground in Galway? Has any promoter expressed an interest in having concerts/festivals in a new groundshare GAA/Rugby ground on the East side of the city with probably few shops, pubs, camping facilities needed for music lovers. Pearse Stadium is more suitable for a festival than for GAA. Concert-goers don't usually go home straight after the action stops. If Pearse Stadium is good enough for 28,000 and Bob Dylan I can't see the need for another outdoor music venue in Galway. The Arts Festival has the Big Top, fit for it's purpose, smaller venue, some artists prefer that. You're still talking a lot of money to buy a site in the first place and then build. Maybe somewhere in Ballybrit because you'd have ready-made facilities and decent access. Ballinrobe Rugby Club had their pitch in the middle of the racetrack but having a rugby and GAA ground there would be tricky.
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