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Castleknock's unbelievable achievement

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Replying To ROS1:  "Fair play to them but is really a unbelievable achievement the have had huge numbers at uderage for years now. Indeed the player who got nearly 90 percent of there scores home club can't field teams at underage level as the are one of the smallest clubs in roscommon"
To go from adult division 10 to senior championship final in 18years.
to win junior championship in 2012
Then win intermediate championship in 2014 and now to compete in senior championship final in 2016 that's a massive scaling through leagues and championships. Country laws are obsessed with numbers but you could have 50 nags and 1 thoroughbred I know which would be better, forget your numbers they had to compete with two massively well run established clubs in brigids and plunketts makes even more good how they got them numbers

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 31/10/2016 17:31:18    1930453

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "To go from adult division 10 to senior championship final in 18years.
to win junior championship in 2012
Then win intermediate championship in 2014 and now to compete in senior championship final in 2016 that's a massive scaling through leagues and championships. Country laws are obsessed with numbers but you could have 50 nags and 1 thoroughbred I know which would be better, forget your numbers they had to compete with two massively well run established clubs in brigids and plunketts makes even more good how they got them numbers"
in fairness numbers do matter but still a wonderful achievement and castleknock are competing against teams who also have big numbers

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 31/10/2016 18:00:38    1930462

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Replying To alano12:  "in fairness numbers do matter but still a wonderful achievement and castleknock are competing against teams who also have big numbers"
Don't agree numbers have any big impact.
I grew up with a club that struggled to get 15 players every age group, you had under 13s pulling four or five players from the under 12s to make the numbers, the same was happening the whole way up to minor where you had a mix of three ages groups basically. But we were hugely successfull against the big clubs with a full 10 subs on the line. In fact I never played on a loosing team at any age against the local Darby club and they had huge facilities and a clubhouse with a bar that was bringing in massive numbers at their underage, but they were just bodies were as our players had ability, it's what you do with the players you have not the number of players or the fact you have fancy facilities for them that makes a team better.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 31/10/2016 18:55:34    1930476

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I don't think anyone mentioned it but didn't they also win the All-Ireland Junior title in hurling a couple of years ago?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 31/10/2016 19:12:22    1930482

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Replying To keeper7:  "I don't think anyone mentioned it but didn't they also win the All-Ireland Junior title in hurling a couple of years ago?"
Must be that Junior B competition you are thinking of. With the exception of an Offaly club in 2014 I think a Kilkenny side has won each of the last 10 Leinsters. Clondalkin played a Manchester club in the 2012 All-Ireland junior football quarter-final over here and got a last minute goal to take the game to extra time before winning, incredible to go from that level to a Dublin senior final. That Manchester team failed to field for most of their games this year so having numbers certainly helps.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 31/10/2016 20:00:28    1930492

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Don't agree numbers have any big impact.
I grew up with a club that struggled to get 15 players every age group, you had under 13s pulling four or five players from the under 12s to make the numbers, the same was happening the whole way up to minor where you had a mix of three ages groups basically. But we were hugely successfull against the big clubs with a full 10 subs on the line. In fact I never played on a loosing team at any age against the local Darby club and they had huge facilities and a clubhouse with a bar that was bringing in massive numbers at their underage, but they were just bodies were as our players had ability, it's what you do with the players you have not the number of players or the fact you have fancy facilities for them that makes a team better."
well you can have a group of talented players like every club has..but numbers still has an impact..it increases your chances of being competitive every year while a small club will have spruts of success with a talented group and then huge drop offs due to lack of numbers and talent

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 31/10/2016 20:30:17    1930502

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Don't agree numbers have any big impact.
I grew up with a club that struggled to get 15 players every age group, you had under 13s pulling four or five players from the under 12s to make the numbers, the same was happening the whole way up to minor where you had a mix of three ages groups basically. But we were hugely successfull against the big clubs with a full 10 subs on the line. In fact I never played on a loosing team at any age against the local Darby club and they had huge facilities and a clubhouse with a bar that was bringing in massive numbers at their underage, but they were just bodies were as our players had ability, it's what you do with the players you have not the number of players or the fact you have fancy facilities for them that makes a team better."
if numbers had 0 impact then explain how castleknocks success has gone hand in hand with a huge growth in population in the area?

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 31/10/2016 20:31:10    1930503

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "To go from adult division 10 to senior championship final in 18years.
to win junior championship in 2012
Then win intermediate championship in 2014 and now to compete in senior championship final in 2016 that's a massive scaling through leagues and championships. Country laws are obsessed with numbers but you could have 50 nags and 1 thoroughbred I know which would be better, forget your numbers they had to compete with two massively well run established clubs in brigids and plunketts makes even more good how they got them numbers"
A huge population covered by only 3 clubs I wonder how many males aged 18 to 35 in that area it makes a hugh difference not to mention the commerical revenue the would have access to. Fair play to them and indeed there has been quite a bit roscommon and I believe cavan involvement with them

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 31/10/2016 23:52:03    1930536

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Don't agree numbers have any big impact.
I grew up with a club that struggled to get 15 players every age group, you had under 13s pulling four or five players from the under 12s to make the numbers, the same was happening the whole way up to minor where you had a mix of three ages groups basically. But we were hugely successfull against the big clubs with a full 10 subs on the line. In fact I never played on a loosing team at any age against the local Darby club and they had huge facilities and a clubhouse with a bar that was bringing in massive numbers at their underage, but they were just bodies were as our players had ability, it's what you do with the players you have not the number of players or the fact you have fancy facilities for them that makes a team better."
If you have only 8 or 9 boys aged 12 to !4 you are not going to have a under 14 team no matter how good you are. Then off course all those boys are unlikely to be into playing football or capable of it. If you have thousands of boys aged 13 and 14 to should be able to have a decent squad at least

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 31/10/2016 23:59:14    1930539

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Replying To alano12:  "if numbers had 0 impact then explain how castleknocks success has gone hand in hand with a huge growth in population in the area?"
Read again did I say it had zero impact???
I said numbers don t have the big impact.
it's what you do on the training pitch with the players that makes them better and the teams better. Castleknock obviously put in a lot of hard work on the training pitch developing teams and that has paid off over the years, just like they put in a lot of hard work off the pitch in getting them numbers to join their club instead of the more hugely established clubs they are based close to such as brigids.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 01/11/2016 09:33:35    1930556

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Read again did I say it had zero impact???
I said numbers don t have the big impact.
it's what you do on the training pitch with the players that makes them better and the teams better. Castleknock obviously put in a lot of hard work on the training pitch developing teams and that has paid off over the years, just like they put in a lot of hard work off the pitch in getting them numbers to join their club instead of the more hugely established clubs they are based close to such as brigids."
Castleknock have a fairly big catchment area to be fair.Carpenterstown,Clonsilla,Coolmine,Luttrelstown etc.Wealthy area also,although i'm not sure how much that has helped the clubs rapid progression.Brigid's had a huge pick (bar Peregrine's in Huntstown/Hartstown/Blakestown) but i'm sure there is a big battle now to cherry pick the local talent.It can only weaken Brigid's in the long run i feel.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 01/11/2016 10:09:01    1930574

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Don't agree numbers have any big impact.
I grew up with a club that struggled to get 15 players every age group, you had under 13s pulling four or five players from the under 12s to make the numbers, the same was happening the whole way up to minor where you had a mix of three ages groups basically. But we were hugely successfull against the big clubs with a full 10 subs on the line. In fact I never played on a loosing team at any age against the local Darby club and they had huge facilities and a clubhouse with a bar that was bringing in massive numbers at their underage, but they were just bodies were as our players had ability, it's what you do with the players you have not the number of players or the fact you have fancy facilities for them that makes a team better.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11268 - 31/10/2016 18:55:34Numbers have a huge impact. Nonsense to say they dont.

Read again did I say it had zero impact???
I said numbers don t have the big impact.
it's what you do on the training pitch with the players that makes them better and the teams better. Castleknock obviously put in a lot of hard work on the training pitch developing teams and that has paid off over the years, just like they put in a lot of hard work off the pitch in getting them numbers to join their club instead of the more hugely established clubs they are based close to such as brigids.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11268 - 01/11/2016 09:33:35It is what you do on the training pitch but if you have very big numbers the internal competition to make the team is more difficult which improves standards and so on.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/11/2016 11:50:01    1930607

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Replying To cuederocket:  "Castleknock have a fairly big catchment area to be fair.Carpenterstown,Clonsilla,Coolmine,Luttrelstown etc.Wealthy area also,although i'm not sure how much that has helped the clubs rapid progression.Brigid's had a huge pick (bar Peregrine's in Huntstown/Hartstown/Blakestown) but i'm sure there is a big battle now to cherry pick the local talent.It can only weaken Brigid's in the long run i feel."
I am sure the get a lot of sponsors from business people living in the area. I have seen there lotto tickets been sold in a busy pub in south Dublin it all helps

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 02/11/2016 13:02:15    1930885

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Replying To ROS1:  "I am sure the get a lot of sponsors from business people living in the area. I have seen there lotto tickets been sold in a busy pub in south Dublin it all helps"
It's all relative
I can only imagine how many players they lost in the intervening years at underage to Plunketts and Brigids when they didn't have a senior let alone an intermediate team. Also, the cost of building / maintenance for a club house in Dublin is much bigger than that of clubs outside of Dublin.

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 02/11/2016 13:25:16    1930899

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Will Castleknock v Vincents be on TG4?

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 181 - 03/11/2016 11:27:30    1931155

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Fair play to the club on their quick rise and to all who put in the hard work required for such a feat. But also a big fair play to the GAAs Project Dublin too which has been a measurable success over the last decade. ;-)

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 03/11/2016 12:47:48    1931194

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Replying To theDagger1986:  "Will Castleknock v Vincents be on TG4?"
you must be joking
tg4 do the dublin final haha
i cant remember them ever doing it

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 03/11/2016 12:58:12    1931200

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What i like most about Castleknock is they grew from nothing from underage they grew a long term project. Any funds they raised was/is for their playing/training facilites. Fancy clubhouse was a low priority, just good quality pitches, good coaches and they have done that. Also using homegrown talent is starting to pay off at adult level.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 03/11/2016 14:26:50    1931221

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Well done to Vinnies and really hard luck to Castleknock. I thought Quinn, Varley and Connolly were excellant, Vinnies looked edgy after the Brennan sending off. Ironically from that point on and led by Quinn/Connolly they just had too much experience for Castleknock. The wealth of Inter-county players ex and present Dubs plus the outside Inter-county players proved too much for Castleknock.

But a a great display by Castleknock, they gave it a good rattle, urged on by a big crowd. The two Sherry's were excellant as were players like Carlos, Kindlon, Kilkenny and O'Brien. Castleknock a club with good structures, good coaches and oodles of homegrown talent - you have to toast this effort.

A big crowd, a great final, good luck to Vinnies representing Dublin.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 05/11/2016 16:42:26    1931883

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Replying To keithlemon:  "It's all relative
I can only imagine how many players they lost in the intervening years at underage to Plunketts and Brigids when they didn't have a senior let alone an intermediate team. Also, the cost of building / maintenance for a club house in Dublin is much bigger than that of clubs outside of Dublin."
The have a massive population in a well off area with lots of business people etc makes things alot easier then if your a rural club. The still had a adult time who were progressing through the ranks I doubt the lost to many young players because of that

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 09/11/2016 11:47:09    1932961

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