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A non Dubs view on Dublin- hurling

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Real Dub, I agree with your post up until your last paragraph. I think Dublin have the potential to become a strong hurling power. All they need is to make the big breakthrough and win one senior All Ireland. Dublin are already the main rivals to KK at underage in Leinster and are winning their share of games against them. Dublin were very unlucky in 2013 -- I think had they overcome Cork they would have taken Clare in the final. But the team was at its peak then and 2013 was its window of opportunity. They still need to find a couple of players particularly one or two scoring forwards but any team that has players like Rushe and Kelly in its central positions (ye just HAVE TO leave Rushe at No. 6 though -- he is your answer to Darren Gleeson) has the foundations in place to build a good team. I think Dublin will reach an All Ireland hurling final in the next 5 or 6 years and if they reach one and win it they will stay at the top.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1904 - 25/10/2016 23:43:17    1929034

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Real Dub, I agree with your post up until your last paragraph. I think Dublin have the potential to become a strong hurling power. All they need is to make the big breakthrough and win one senior All Ireland. Dublin are already the main rivals to KK at underage in Leinster and are winning their share of games against them. Dublin were very unlucky in 2013 -- I think had they overcome Cork they would have taken Clare in the final. But the team was at its peak then and 2013 was its window of opportunity. They still need to find a couple of players particularly one or two scoring forwards but any team that has players like Rushe and Kelly in its central positions (ye just HAVE TO leave Rushe at No. 6 though -- he is your answer to Darren Gleeson) has the foundations in place to build a good team. I think Dublin will reach an All Ireland hurling final in the next 5 or 6 years and if they reach one and win it they will stay at the top."
PoolSturgeon is on the mark, but I'd also add they need a go to man in the forwards who can win his own ball when the chips are down. The Tipp lad is a great spoiler and gets about, but aerially who's going to claim enough ball to feel Paul Ryan, Schutte and co who are good forwards maybe need to be a bit more ruthless in front of goals though.

Dublin could be in an AI in the next few years, but like a lot of teams need to forget about systems and go outhurl your opponents rather than invite them onto you.

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 26/10/2016 13:09:12    1929143

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My view of Dublin hurling is that it proves you can throw enough money at something and still not be guaranteed success.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 26/10/2016 13:22:43    1929147

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Replying To Pinkie:  "My view of Dublin hurling is that it proves you can throw enough money at something and still not be guaranteed success."
A lot of money, not enough money!!

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 26/10/2016 19:51:11    1929313

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It's not too many years back that I was reading how they were going to dominate hurling after a couple of underage titles and massive investment in coaching structures. Hard to put a finger on what is stopping them. Still think the attitude towards them is a poor one in comparison to the footballers within the county. They don't have the same support, hard to understand why they don't get the supporters behind them.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7904 - 26/10/2016 20:13:39    1929316

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "It's not too many years back that I was reading how they were going to dominate hurling after a couple of underage titles and massive investment in coaching structures. Hard to put a finger on what is stopping them. Still think the attitude towards them is a poor one in comparison to the footballers within the county. They don't have the same support, hard to understand why they don't get the supporters behind them."
It's not that hard to understand. in the 70s, Dublin people fell in love with the FOOTBALL team. It was the closest thing we had to say a big English soccer club, like UTD or Liverpool, so the bandwagon was jumped on and it evolved into the type of support we have today, hurling just doesn't fit that bill with us. We have numerous rivals with the big ball, but we have none in hurling. The bite isn't there with most of Dublin's fan base.
We draw huge crowds during the knockout stages and decent crowds during the league.
It would take a generation or two for hurling to be as popular in the City, and that's only if we start winning AIs soon.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 26/10/2016 21:18:45    1929333

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Replying To realdub:  "It's not that hard to understand. in the 70s, Dublin people fell in love with the FOOTBALL team. It was the closest thing we had to say a big English soccer club, like UTD or Liverpool, so the bandwagon was jumped on and it evolved into the type of support we have today, hurling just doesn't fit that bill with us. We have numerous rivals with the big ball, but we have none in hurling. The bite isn't there with most of Dublin's fan base.
We draw huge crowds during the knockout stages and decent crowds during the league.
It would take a generation or two for hurling to be as popular in the City, and that's only if we start winning AIs soon."
That's fair enough but most Dublin fan forums this year especially in the build up to the final were giving themselves a pat on the back about being great supporters. Surely more can get behind the hurlers? They are not that far off the top table.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7904 - 26/10/2016 21:52:47    1929342

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "That's fair enough but most Dublin fan forums this year especially in the build up to the final were giving themselves a pat on the back about being great supporters. Surely more can get behind the hurlers? They are not that far off the top table."
It's a great shame, but I can see why it's like that, it's just my opinion anyway.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 26/10/2016 22:08:42    1929353

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Replying To Pinkie:  "My view of Dublin hurling is that it proves you can throw enough money at something and still not be guaranteed success."
Limerick are the prime example of this.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2488 - 27/10/2016 06:12:14    1929382

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "It's not too many years back that I was reading how they were going to dominate hurling after a couple of underage titles and massive investment in coaching structures. Hard to put a finger on what is stopping them. Still think the attitude towards them is a poor one in comparison to the footballers within the county. They don't have the same support, hard to understand why they don't get the supporters behind them."
The 3 to 5 thousand fans who regularly go hurling games love the game and the team and know what they are watching. Theres a vast amount of the 30 to 50 thousand who support the footballers that have no idea who players are, what the rules are. Its a day out for them. Couple of years ago there was a double header on I stayed for the football. One "fan" questioned why a 45 had not attempted to be cracked into the top corner!! say no more. Id rather stick with the small but vocal and knowledgeable support then bandwagoners who have no clue about what they are watching

Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 27/10/2016 12:53:22    1929486

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Replying To Pinkie:  "My view of Dublin hurling is that it proves you can throw enough money at something and still not be guaranteed success."
Dublin win a football All-Ireland - Ye've too much money, ye bought your success
Dublin don't win a hurling All-Ireland - Money can't buy you success

Damned if we do, damned if we don't Pinkie

Mickmick (Dublin) - Posts: 104 - 27/10/2016 13:33:05    1929507

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Replying To Brianmac78:  "The 3 to 5 thousand fans who regularly go hurling games love the game and the team and know what they are watching. Theres a vast amount of the 30 to 50 thousand who support the footballers that have no idea who players are, what the rules are. Its a day out for them. Couple of years ago there was a double header on I stayed for the football. One "fan" questioned why a 45 had not attempted to be cracked into the top corner!! say no more. Id rather stick with the small but vocal and knowledgeable support then bandwagoners who have no clue about what they are watching"
Hurling is my favourite game and I have attended a few of my own counties. I just don't get how they are not well supported. I think it affects the players as well. I suppose certain players dropping hurling to try and break into the football team doesn't help either.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7904 - 27/10/2016 14:08:09    1929528

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If we get the ball rolling on this Spawell stadium i can really see the hurlers taking off.The southside has been dominant in hurling for quite a while now and i recall 15 southsiders starting for our hurlers in recent years.The Spawell is nicely positioned for quite a few strong hurling clubs - Faughs,Judes,Ballyboden,Crumlin,Lucan,Pats,Kilmacud Crokes etc.Imagine a full stadium under the lights v Kilkenny,Tipp,Galway or Cork in the heartland of Dublin hurling at present?The northside were once dominant in hurling,but not anymore.Maybe it will change again.I hope it does as it only strenghtens the county but i envisage good things for Dublin hurling if the Spawell gets the green light.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 27/10/2016 14:49:15    1929545

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Dublin had good support for their hurlers in 2013 AI semi. Counties who are strong in one code will only get support for the other when they get to semi finals and finals. Clare 92, tipp 2016 and Cork always, are similar examples when it comes to football.

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 27/10/2016 17:33:01    1929604

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Replying To ZUL10:  "Dublin had good support for their hurlers in 2013 AI semi. Counties who are strong in one code will only get support for the other when they get to semi finals and finals. Clare 92, tipp 2016 and Cork always, are similar examples when it comes to football."
Yes people saw a bit of spotlight and thought they'd have some of that. Go to Parnell park in Feb or March during the league, they are the real Dublin hurling fans. Or the couple of buses that get filled up heading for portlaoise in May and June and the few car loads.

Someone mentioned a change of focus from football to hurling is needed, yet I'd bet that there's more kids if asked what game they prefer would say hurling believe it or not. So it's a vicious circle players go footballing because of the success yet how can there be success when players don't stick with the game?

Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 27/10/2016 18:35:58    1929626

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Any dubs want to tell us what's happening there:
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Sounds like Cunningham isn't too popular amongst a number of the squad players

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 07/11/2016 12:05:12    1932323

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Replying To keithlemon:  "Any dubs want to tell us what's happening there:
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Sounds like Cunningham isn't too popular amongst a number of the squad players"
Pure mess at this point.

Whether players are right or wrong to walk there is definitely an issue with the manager. Peter Kelly was out injured last season so why would he walk the following season? He claims the team of 2013 was broken up. How long was that team meant to go on and this is part of the problem there was a clique with Daly. Some of the 15 that lost to Cork in 2013 remain. Some retired some walked some were pushed. The side was not ripped up.

However in Kellys defence it appears that while out injured he was shunned from the panel which to me is wrong of the manager. Too many big players have now walked citing him as the reason. Im sure the younger guys are just happy to be representing he county and are happy to go along with it but how long will that last? A few apparently not too happy that Joe Fortune, the 21s manager was overlooked to join the backroom team this season instead the outgoing minor manager go that role as well as being appointed the new 21 manager.

Its a complete mess. And while id love to see it work out that the young lads come in and herald a new dawn, the more likely outcome is more will walk and we will have a disaster of a season. Sad times

Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 07/11/2016 13:11:29    1932353

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This looks like a real mess. Sooner Cunningham is gone at this point the better.
Don't know what the issue is but there is definitely something up in that camp. Looks like being a poor year ahead at this stage.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 07/11/2016 13:25:10    1932359

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McCaffery & Kelly have been 2 great servants to Dublin hurling, no doubt. Although highly inconsistent, Paul Ryan has/had massive potential & got some wonderful scores when on form. Maybe these 3 have there best days behind them but there is no way Dublin should be without Danny Sutcliffe. Cunningham clearly wants to put his stamp on the team & is been supported by the county board in doing so.
It was strange to see Daire Plunkett back on the team this year. I thought he had great potential but he seemed to fall out of favour with Daly & lost out on development as a result & looked like a fish out of water against Kilkenny this year.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 07/11/2016 14:37:30    1932391

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What kind of presence does Ger Cunningham have within Dublin hurling during these months? In general, is he based in Dublin, or does he travel up and down from Cork?

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 07/11/2016 17:35:26    1932467

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