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Replying To Knoxboya: "I have said before on here that the moving from knockout to round robin then back to knock out feels clumsy...BUT...this is a step in the right direction.
It's GAA after all, progress can feel glacial, so let's run with this as a route to something better in the future.
Oh, and on this matter I'm in broad agreement with Legend (these occasions do occur now and again)." But doesnt the Champs League operate similarly - KO Qualifier games - then 8x4 group stage - before reverting back to KO Rd of 16.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 27/10/2016 02:43:58
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Replying To legendzxix: "The GPA reported in summer 2015 that there was no appetite among its member to get rid of the provincials or for a second-tier championship. Surely their opinions are more valid than most. Again,it's all in the document if people took the time to read it in full.
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Exactly, it's all there for everyone to read.
I have said before on here that the moving from knockout to round robin then back to knock out feels clumsy...BUT...this is a step in the right direction.
Knoxboya (Monaghan)
The Champions League and Europa League have 4 rounds of qualifiers before a group stage followed by more knockout. The GAA Football Championship will follow a similar pattern if agreed.
If the 2 groups of 4 come in, the next step years down the line might be expanding to 4 groups of 4. The conundrum for the GAA in such a scenario will be provincial champions and runners-up entering the All-Ireland series at the same stage. There has to be a clear incentive for winning the provincial title.
An option there will be granting provincial champions all 3 games at home with the other 3 teams in their group having 1 home game each. The current suggestion of the GAA is the only show in town.
It's possible the attitude towards the second championship might change in the future. If the current change suggested turns out to be a step in the direction of 4 groups of 4, those failing to qualify might reevaluate the merits of a second championship that offers the winner a guaranteed place in the group stage of the following year." How about a Prov Final played within each group (1st of the 3 matches) - all to play for, including 2 pts.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 27/10/2016 02:50:56
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Replying To Whammo86: "No stress" Oh, come on :)
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 27/10/2016 02:53:53
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Replying To omahant: " Replying To legendzxix: "The GPA reported in summer 2015 that there was no appetite among its member to get rid of the provincials or for a second-tier championship. Surely their opinions are more valid than most. Again,it's all in the document if people took the time to read it in full.
Skelling (USA)
Exactly, it's all there for everyone to read.
I have said before on here that the moving from knockout to round robin then back to knock out feels clumsy...BUT...this is a step in the right direction.
Knoxboya (Monaghan)
The Champions League and Europa League have 4 rounds of qualifiers before a group stage followed by more knockout. The GAA Football Championship will follow a similar pattern if agreed.
If the 2 groups of 4 come in, the next step years down the line might be expanding to 4 groups of 4. The conundrum for the GAA in such a scenario will be provincial champions and runners-up entering the All-Ireland series at the same stage. There has to be a clear incentive for winning the provincial title.
An option there will be granting provincial champions all 3 games at home with the other 3 teams in their group having 1 home game each. The current suggestion of the GAA is the only show in town.
It's possible the attitude towards the second championship might change in the future. If the current change suggested turns out to be a step in the direction of 4 groups of 4, those failing to qualify might reevaluate the merits of a second championship that offers the winner a guaranteed place in the group stage of the following year." How about a Prov Final played within each group (1st of the 3 matches) - all to play for, including 2 pts."
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 27/10/2016 19:05:34
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Replying To omahant: "But doesnt the Champs League operate similarly - KO Qualifier games - then 8x4 group stage - before reverting back to KO Rd of 16." I see what you mean here, but can only agree with you up to a point.
I personally would not equate the qualifying rounds of the UEFA Champions League with 4 Provincial Championships and the accompanying qualifier series. These UEFA knockout rounds do not end in provincial titles with histories of over 120 years.
Knoxboya (Monaghan) - Posts: 358 - 27/10/2016 20:05:30
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I personally would not equate the qualifying rounds of the UEFA Champions League with 4 Provincial Championships and the accompanying qualifier series. These UEFA knockout rounds do not end in provincial titles with histories of over 120 years.
Knoxboya (Monaghan)
The 4 All-Ireland qualifying rounds are being equated to qualifying rounds of the UEFA Champions League.
The provincial championships would equate to league winners, the few that they are, qualifying directly.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 27/10/2016 22:14:24
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Replying To bennybunny: "http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/gaa-have-league-and-championship-wrong-way-around-387537.html
This man has a good point. This is a much simpler solution. It fits in the current calendar." It aint rocket science benny..
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 27/10/2016 22:38:00
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Replying To Ban: "It aint rocket science benny.." Shannon's view has its merits but what are the chances of it being voted through at Congress next year? Zero I would say.
That's why the new proposals should be chosen. As the report says, there are so many different opinions that we all need to accept that things needs to change very gradually if there is to be any change at all.
Skelling (USA) - Posts: 289 - 28/10/2016 11:01:58
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Group matches instead of the quarter final would be awful for supporters, GAA must think we are made of money, costly enough going to Croke Park for the quarter never mind 3 matches costing 25 euro or more each, supporters will support the motion if ticket prices are 10 euro for every group match, without that not a chance. Interesting that so called weaker counties have said that they would prefer if the current system stayed in place, it gives them a chance to pull off a giant killing and knock out some big team, the group system guarantees the big team will make the semis, the likes of Tipp and Clare from this season wouldn't have a chance
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 30/10/2016 23:17:06
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Group matches instead of the quarter final would be awful for supporters, GAA must think we are made of money, costly enough going to Croke Park for the quarter never mind 3 matches costing 25 euro or more each, supporters will support the motion if ticket prices are 10 euro for every group match, without that not a chance. Interesting that so called weaker counties have said that they would prefer if the current system stayed in place, it gives them a chance to pull off a giant killing and knock out some big team, the group system guarantees the big team will make the semis, the likes of Tipp and Clare from this season wouldn't have a chance
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts:745 - 30/10/2016 23:17:06Well with this new format you would have one of the three games in Mayo/at home and that would be fantastic. Fans will support the motion even if tickets are higher and there is no way at all tickets will only be a tenner.
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Replying To legendzxix: "I personally would not equate the qualifying rounds of the UEFA Champions League with 4 Provincial Championships and the accompanying qualifier series. These UEFA knockout rounds do not end in provincial titles with histories of over 120 years.
Knoxboya (Monaghan)
The 4 All-Ireland qualifying rounds are being equated to qualifying rounds of the UEFA Champions League.
The provincial championships would equate to league winners, the few that they are, qualifying directly." Who said Kerry and Cork have to argue from opposite ends, or not get along :)
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 31/10/2016 20:31:54
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Replying To riverboys: "Group matches instead of the quarter final would be awful for supporters, GAA must think we are made of money, costly enough going to Croke Park for the quarter never mind 3 matches costing 25 euro or more each, supporters will support the motion if ticket prices are 10 euro for every group match, without that not a chance. Interesting that so called weaker counties have said that they would prefer if the current system stayed in place, it gives them a chance to pull off a giant killing and knock out some big team, the group system guarantees the big team will make the semis, the likes of Tipp and Clare from this season wouldn't have a chance" Good job you are not supporting a soccer team with the number of games they have to play.I wonder some times about GAA supporters, do want to see games at all.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1059 - 31/10/2016 21:07:30
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