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a much lesser kerry side u will concede no?
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 12/10/2016 00:30:27 1925208 Link 0 |
Tyrone 03-08 are not a better side than the recent Dublin one but boy I'd love to see them at it.
KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 12/10/2016 00:58:44 1925211 Link 0 |
They lost hence they didn't come through Ulster. How man of the Tyrone team that started in 03 started again in 08? TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts: 529 - 12/10/2016 11:09:15 1925273 Link 0 |
In 03 Tyrone beat Derry, Antrim & Down to win Ulster, in 05 they beat Down & Cavan before losing to Armagh and in 08 they did't win a game. in the 3 years they won the All Ireland they won 5 games in Ulster winning one Ulster Championship and failed to beat Armagh in the only time they met in Ulster in those 3 years. Looking at the calibre of opposition Tyrone faced and beat posters are certainly over stating how difficult they had it in Ulster. TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts: 529 - 12/10/2016 11:21:21 1925279 Link 0 |
Maybe, I'm not sure though. You look at their results outside of Dublin games and they're pretty damn good. Even the Dublin games are close. You look at Mayo's results besides games against Kerry and Dublin and they hold up really well. You don't have the sort of shock exits that Tyrone suffered in between All Ireland wins. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 12/10/2016 11:43:38 1925296 Link 0 |
We'll have to disagree on that one. I think Tyrone would beat them.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 12/10/2016 12:19:20 1925314 Link 0 |
armagh were an incredible side..and they beat a truly great kerry team and 2 pretty good dublin teams
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 12/10/2016 12:29:45 1925322 Link 0 |
Now that is a serious idea! Modern Warfare haha Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 12/10/2016 13:54:05 1925354 Link 0 |
cavanman47 - At the end of the day Dublin have 4 All-Irelands and 4 National Leagues in Row and could still win more, Tyrone have 3 All-Irelands, actions speak louder than words. fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 12/10/2016 14:05:25 1925365 Link 3 |
On the face of it they look way ahead - but look at the debate over the past 6 pages and counting. Level of opposition IMO is the difference. Kerry were at their peak in the 00s and Tyrone beat them in 03 05 and 08. They are a far cry from that team now yet they are at the same level as Mayo (as shown in 2015) or anyone else challenging Dublin. The standard has dropped and I find it strange that anyone is even disputing that.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 12/10/2016 14:40:57 1925381 Link 0 |
There's Dublin and Mayo and the rest in that list are operating at a level below them
Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 12/10/2016 14:55:39 1925389 Link 0 |
I for one am disappointed with our results for this year. Sure we didn't even win the O'Byrne cup. Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 12/10/2016 15:08:10 1925393 Link 0 |
also Cork were much stronger last decade than they are now, I know they won the AI in 2010 but that was the end of their strong period in the latter half of the noughties HurlingWarrior (Limerick) - Posts: 61 - 12/10/2016 15:08:32 1925395 Link 0 |
Dublin are more dominant over their main competitors than Kerry 04-09 were. There could be 2 reasons for this either this Dublin team are especially good or the competition now is not so good. To determine which is correct you have to look at games other than those between the top sides. The current big 3 of Dublin are ridiculously dominant as a group. Both Mayo and Kerry are on long runs of semifinal appearances. They routinely hockey teams. The Galway Mayo result this year is practically the only time one of these teams has been beaten by anything other than a genuine All Ireland contender in the last 6 years. The same can't really be said of Tyrone 03-08. That's my reason for saying that the competition is as good now as it's ever been. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 12/10/2016 16:45:02 1925436 Link 1 |
people are often remembered by who they beat when it comes to sport..obviously a team can only beat what is in front of them but certain championships are superior to others..leceister for instance last season won the worst premier league in history arguably or close to it
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 12/10/2016 18:21:33 1925466 Link 0 |
is that more down to whats below them though?..and there is pretty decent reasons for why tyrone didnt come close to matching their performances in 2004 and 2006 which are well known about....kerry are quite clearly inferior now....would any of the mayo forwards have made the kerry team in the 00s?...tyrone 2005 pretty hard made team too....i think dublin are quite clearly the best in this era but they may be hurt historically by a lack of competition which has been very poor in a lot of cases...but if they keep up at the current rate they are well on their way to be being the best ever as they are far from finished
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 12/10/2016 18:24:22 1925469 Link 0 |
and dublin havent been anywhere near as dominant as kerry were against mayo for instance in the 00s..obviously tyrone were the problem but have dublin had any convincing win against a big side like kerry had against dubs, mayo, cork (multiple times) and most notably armagh in 2006...people should remember just how good cork were in 2009 we have often looked brilliant against the weaker sides but most of our wins against the big sides has involved simply grinding out the result whilst being the better team we havent looked spectacular from start to finish in doing so..in championship im referring to alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 12/10/2016 18:26:56 1925470 Link 0 |
i just dont see the point in trying to pretend like mayo or kerry currently are anything close to tyrone/kerry/armagh/ in the 00s as well as cork in 08-09 and this dublin side are far from finished and they are not exactly doing too bad!.....i am possibly a bit biased towards the 00s as i found football the most enjoyable to watch at the time alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 12/10/2016 18:29:42 1925471 Link 0 |
Hallelujah! A dub poster who sees the wood from the trees! cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 12/10/2016 19:01:05 1925480 Link 0 |
See when you're comparing Kerry of now to Kerry of 04-09 you're comparing the 2nd or even 3rd best team to the best team. Comparing current Mayo who are 2nd or 3rd to 2000s Mayo isn't really fair either. Today's Kerry and Mayo should be compared to Tyrone and Cork of the mid to late 2000s. They probably aren't quite as good, but I think it's not as dire as some on here make out and I don't think it should detract from Dublin's achievements. On one hand current Kerry and Mayo definitely don't have the silverware but when you look closer at results those teams really haven't been losing to anyone other than each other. I do agree though that the competition below Donegal has been very soft. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 12/10/2016 19:11:09 1925482 Link 0 |