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Dublin footballers 2011-2016 Where do they rank?

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I don't understand the logic here. It seems that Dublin are being regarded less because their opponents haven't accumulated many All Irelands. Their opponents aren't winning because Dublin keep winning because they are so bloody good."
a much lesser kerry side u will concede no?

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 12/10/2016 00:30:27    1925208

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Monaghan?? So Monaghan today are more competition than Dublin of 07 for example? No chance! Also Donegal 2012 and 2016 are 2 VERY different propositions. As good as Dublin have been these past 5 years, in none of those years were they as formidable as Donegal 2012. Over the 5 years, of course they have been better.


And by your logic you'd have to also agree that the current Kerry team is the worst Kerry team this century and yet they ran ye so so close in the semi final.


Kerry 78-81, Trone 03-08, Kerry 04-09, Dubs 70s, Dubs 11-16 in that order IMO."
Tyrone 03-08 are not a better side than the recent Dublin one but boy I'd love to see them at it.

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 12/10/2016 00:58:44    1925211

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Replying To alano12:  "eh they lost to armagh after a replay in 2005..how in the name of god was that not a tough ulster?..what provincial championship period are u comparing it to?"
They lost hence they didn't come through Ulster.

How man of the Tyrone team that started in 03 started again in 08?

TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts: 529 - 12/10/2016 11:09:15    1925273

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In 03 Tyrone beat Derry, Antrim & Down to win Ulster, in 05 they beat Down & Cavan before losing to Armagh and in 08 they did't win a game. in the 3 years they won the All Ireland they won 5 games in Ulster winning one Ulster Championship and failed to beat Armagh in the only time they met in Ulster in those 3 years. Looking at the calibre of opposition Tyrone faced and beat posters are certainly over stating how difficult they had it in Ulster.

TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts: 529 - 12/10/2016 11:21:21    1925279

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Replying To alano12:  "a much lesser kerry side u will concede no?"
Maybe, I'm not sure though. You look at their results outside of Dublin games and they're pretty damn good. Even the Dublin games are close.

You look at Mayo's results besides games against Kerry and Dublin and they hold up really well.

You don't have the sort of shock exits that Tyrone suffered in between All Ireland wins.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 12/10/2016 11:43:38    1925296

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Replying To KerryKillers:  "Tyrone 03-08 are not a better side than the recent Dublin one but boy I'd love to see them at it."
We'll have to disagree on that one. I think Tyrone would beat them.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 12/10/2016 12:19:20    1925314

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Replying To TheWestIsAwake:  "In 03 Tyrone beat Derry, Antrim & Down to win Ulster, in 05 they beat Down & Cavan before losing to Armagh and in 08 they did't win a game. in the 3 years they won the All Ireland they won 5 games in Ulster winning one Ulster Championship and failed to beat Armagh in the only time they met in Ulster in those 3 years. Looking at the calibre of opposition Tyrone faced and beat posters are certainly over stating how difficult they had it in Ulster."
armagh were an incredible side..and they beat a truly great kerry team and 2 pretty good dublin teams

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 12/10/2016 12:29:45    1925322

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Replying To KerryKillers:  "Tyrone 03-08 are not a better side than the recent Dublin one but boy I'd love to see them at it."
Now that is a serious idea!

Modern Warfare haha

Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 12/10/2016 13:54:05    1925354

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cavanman47 - At the end of the day Dublin have 4 All-Irelands and 4 National Leagues in Row and could still win more, Tyrone have 3 All-Irelands, actions speak louder than words.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 12/10/2016 14:05:25    1925365

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Replying To fainleog:  "cavanman47 - At the end of the day Dublin have 4 All-Irelands and 4 National Leagues in Row and could still win more, Tyrone have 3 All-Irelands, actions speak louder than words."
On the face of it they look way ahead - but look at the debate over the past 6 pages and counting. Level of opposition IMO is the difference. Kerry were at their peak in the 00s and Tyrone beat them in 03 05 and 08. They are a far cry from that team now yet they are at the same level as Mayo (as shown in 2015) or anyone else challenging Dublin. The standard has dropped and I find it strange that anyone is even disputing that.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 12/10/2016 14:40:57    1925381

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Who was more competition? There was Kerry Tyrone and Armagh that was pretty much it the rest made up the numbers.

Now there's Dublin Kerry Mayo Donegal Tyrone Monaghan.

It's just cause Dublin are so dominant you think the standard isn't as good but I'm sure you ask a Mayo or Donegal supporter and they'll tell you this is there greatest ever teams."
There's Dublin and Mayo and the rest in that list are operating at a level below them

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 12/10/2016 14:55:39    1925389

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I for one am disappointed with our results for this year. Sure we didn't even win the O'Byrne cup.
This Dublin team will be forever tainted by this unforgivable loss.

We have one paltry title in this competition this decade. Until we reverse this worrying trend, we cannot even consider this current team anywhere near good, never mind great.

Hopefully we can pick ourselves up from this, and with some luck, and alot of determination, we can taken on the Royal Juggernaut, and maybe even stop them going back to back.

Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 12/10/2016 15:08:10    1925393

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also Cork were much stronger last decade than they are now, I know they won the AI in 2010 but that was the end of their strong period in the latter half of the noughties

HurlingWarrior (Limerick) - Posts: 61 - 12/10/2016 15:08:32    1925395

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Replying To cavanman47:  "On the face of it they look way ahead - but look at the debate over the past 6 pages and counting. Level of opposition IMO is the difference. Kerry were at their peak in the 00s and Tyrone beat them in 03 05 and 08. They are a far cry from that team now yet they are at the same level as Mayo (as shown in 2015) or anyone else challenging Dublin. The standard has dropped and I find it strange that anyone is even disputing that."
Dublin are more dominant over their main competitors than Kerry 04-09 were.

There could be 2 reasons for this either this Dublin team are especially good or the competition now is not so good.

To determine which is correct you have to look at games other than those between the top sides.

The current big 3 of Dublin are ridiculously dominant as a group. Both Mayo and Kerry are on long runs of semifinal appearances. They routinely hockey teams. The Galway Mayo result this year is practically the only time one of these teams has been beaten by anything other than a genuine All Ireland contender in the last 6 years.

The same can't really be said of Tyrone 03-08. That's my reason for saying that the competition is as good now as it's ever been.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 12/10/2016 16:45:02    1925436

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Replying To fainleog:  "cavanman47 - At the end of the day Dublin have 4 All-Irelands and 4 National Leagues in Row and could still win more, Tyrone have 3 All-Irelands, actions speak louder than words."
people are often remembered by who they beat when it comes to sport..obviously a team can only beat what is in front of them but certain championships are superior to others..leceister for instance last season won the worst premier league in history arguably or close to it

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 12/10/2016 18:21:33    1925466

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Dublin are more dominant over their main competitors than Kerry 04-09 were.

There could be 2 reasons for this either this Dublin team are especially good or the competition now is not so good.

To determine which is correct you have to look at games other than those between the top sides.

The current big 3 of Dublin are ridiculously dominant as a group. Both Mayo and Kerry are on long runs of semifinal appearances. They routinely hockey teams. The Galway Mayo result this year is practically the only time one of these teams has been beaten by anything other than a genuine All Ireland contender in the last 6 years.

The same can't really be said of Tyrone 03-08. That's my reason for saying that the competition is as good now as it's ever been."
is that more down to whats below them though?..and there is pretty decent reasons for why tyrone didnt come close to matching their performances in 2004 and 2006 which are well known about....kerry are quite clearly inferior now....would any of the mayo forwards have made the kerry team in the 00s?...tyrone 2005 pretty hard made team too....i think dublin are quite clearly the best in this era but they may be hurt historically by a lack of competition which has been very poor in a lot of cases...but if they keep up at the current rate they are well on their way to be being the best ever as they are far from finished

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 12/10/2016 18:24:22    1925469

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Dublin are more dominant over their main competitors than Kerry 04-09 were.

There could be 2 reasons for this either this Dublin team are especially good or the competition now is not so good.

To determine which is correct you have to look at games other than those between the top sides.

The current big 3 of Dublin are ridiculously dominant as a group. Both Mayo and Kerry are on long runs of semifinal appearances. They routinely hockey teams. The Galway Mayo result this year is practically the only time one of these teams has been beaten by anything other than a genuine All Ireland contender in the last 6 years.

The same can't really be said of Tyrone 03-08. That's my reason for saying that the competition is as good now as it's ever been."
and dublin havent been anywhere near as dominant as kerry were against mayo for instance in the 00s..obviously tyrone were the problem but have dublin had any convincing win against a big side like kerry had against dubs, mayo, cork (multiple times) and most notably armagh in 2006...people should remember just how good cork were in 2009

we have often looked brilliant against the weaker sides but most of our wins against the big sides has involved simply grinding out the result whilst being the better team we havent looked spectacular from start to finish in doing so..in championship im referring to

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 12/10/2016 18:26:56    1925470

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Replying To Laois76:  "Well there you go Alan since you started winning it! The 00s Dublin team were a good team but never came close to winning a league. It think the 4 in a row leagues only further demonstrate how good present Dublin are.

Have to say that your rating Kerry/Tyrone 2000s as the best teams is very non biased for a Dublin man. I really respect your objectivity. If i was talking about a great Laois team i don't think i could be as objective and rational. And also your providing excellent back up to support your argument."
i just dont see the point in trying to pretend like mayo or kerry currently are anything close to tyrone/kerry/armagh/ in the 00s as well as cork in 08-09

and this dublin side are far from finished and they are not exactly doing too bad!.....i am possibly a bit biased towards the 00s as i found football the most enjoyable to watch at the time

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 12/10/2016 18:29:42    1925471

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Replying To alano12:  "and dublin havent been anywhere near as dominant as kerry were against mayo for instance in the 00s..obviously tyrone were the problem but have dublin had any convincing win against a big side like kerry had against dubs, mayo, cork (multiple times) and most notably armagh in 2006...people should remember just how good cork were in 2009

we have often looked brilliant against the weaker sides but most of our wins against the big sides has involved simply grinding out the result whilst being the better team we havent looked spectacular from start to finish in doing so..in championship im referring to"
Hallelujah!

A dub poster who sees the wood from the trees!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 12/10/2016 19:01:05    1925480

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Replying To alano12:  "and dublin havent been anywhere near as dominant as kerry were against mayo for instance in the 00s..obviously tyrone were the problem but have dublin had any convincing win against a big side like kerry had against dubs, mayo, cork (multiple times) and most notably armagh in 2006...people should remember just how good cork were in 2009

we have often looked brilliant against the weaker sides but most of our wins against the big sides has involved simply grinding out the result whilst being the better team we havent looked spectacular from start to finish in doing so..in championship im referring to"
See when you're comparing Kerry of now to Kerry of 04-09 you're comparing the 2nd or even 3rd best team to the best team. Comparing current Mayo who are 2nd or 3rd to 2000s Mayo isn't really fair either.

Today's Kerry and Mayo should be compared to Tyrone and Cork of the mid to late 2000s.

They probably aren't quite as good, but I think it's not as dire as some on here make out and I don't think it should detract from Dublin's achievements.

On one hand current Kerry and Mayo definitely don't have the silverware but when you look closer at results those teams really haven't been losing to anyone other than each other.

I do agree though that the competition below Donegal has been very soft.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 12/10/2016 19:11:09    1925482

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