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Replying To alano12: "but what about the skill level?..is there as many top class forwards?.in my view the standard has gone down..teams are overly negative now in a lot of cases..back then tyrone played a revolutionary style..look at the candidates for player of the year for instance and their positions" Yes the skill level is as high but forwards have less room to operate, especially since 2012. Nothing wrong with forwards like Bernard Brogan, Kilkenny, Costello, Connolly, Geaney, James O'Donoghue, Ciaran Sheehan, Quinlivan, Conor Sweeney, Donie Kingston (Laois), Damien Comer, Jamie Clarke, Tony Kernan, Paddy McBrearty, Diarmuid O'Connor, Niall McNamee, Darran O'Sullivan to name just a few. Dynamic midfielders, excellent defenders today. The player of the year nominations are a forward, midfielder and defender this year. A pretty defensive forward ok but that was just the way this year's championship developed. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 11/10/2016 20:38:57 1925116 Link
Replying To alano12: "but donegal werent at that level during that period..they were good only certain years..and kerry are long past their best..our main rival has been mayo who always falter when it counts and have no top class forward" 11-14 was Donegal peak years undoubtedly and they were formidable .Mayo have arguably been the most consistent side apart from Dublin over last 5 years whatever you think about their final meltdowns which could be put down to meeting an exceptional Dublin side. Yes they do lack firepower but have consistently put it up to and beaten very good teams. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 11/10/2016 20:41:01 1925117 Link
Replying To alano12: "counting leagues doesnt help" What's so wrong with counting leagues? It shows serious consistency all year round. To complete the league and championship double was always highly regarded. I've read Paidi O'Sé's biography and delight at winning the league and championship in 1997. Kilkenny hurlers won the league and championship in 1982 and 1983, it was labelled the double double. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 11/10/2016 20:42:09 1925118 Link
Tyrone didn't win a game in Ulster in 08 and in 05 they beat an average enough Cavan & Down. The reality is they didn't have a tough Ulster to contend with as they come through the back door twice to win All Irelands. TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts: 529 - 11/10/2016 20:46:24 1925125 Link
Replying To TheWestIsAwake: "Tyrone didn't win a game in Ulster in 08 and in 05 they beat an average enough Cavan & Down. The reality is they didn't have a tough Ulster to contend with as they come through the back door twice to win All Irelands." eh they lost to armagh after a replay in 2005..how in the name of god was that not a tough ulster?..what provincial championship period are u comparing it to? alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 11/10/2016 21:08:19 1925141 Link
Replying To Laois76: "What's so wrong with counting leagues? It shows serious consistency all year round. To complete the league and championship double was always highly regarded. I've read Paidi O'Sé's biography and delight at winning the league and championship in 1997. Kilkenny hurlers won the league and championship in 1982 and 1983, it was labelled the double double." because teams are not going at full pelt during the league and often save themselves for later on in the year..kerry are notable for doing this yet win a lot of leagues on pure talent..the structure of the season means ultimately it is all about championship alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 11/10/2016 21:09:27 1925142 Link
Replying To Dubh_linn: "11-14 was Donegal peak years undoubtedly and they were formidable .Mayo have arguably been the most consistent side apart from Dublin over last 5 years whatever you think about their final meltdowns which could be put down to meeting an exceptional Dublin side. Yes they do lack firepower but have consistently put it up to and beaten very good teams." 2013 donegal?....they were awful that year...and i agree mayo have been the main rival...look at how poor we were at times yet we have still always come out on top..they simply arent good enough when it matters and lack a top forward alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 11/10/2016 21:10:55 1925143 Link
Replying To Laois76: "Yes the skill level is as high but forwards have less room to operate, especially since 2012. Nothing wrong with forwards like Bernard Brogan, Kilkenny, Costello, Connolly, Geaney, James O'Donoghue, Ciaran Sheehan, Quinlivan, Conor Sweeney, Donie Kingston (Laois), Damien Comer, Jamie Clarke, Tony Kernan, Paddy McBrearty, Diarmuid O'Connor, Niall McNamee, Darran O'Sullivan to name just a few. Dynamic midfielders, excellent defenders today. The player of the year nominations are a forward, midfielder and defender this year. A pretty defensive forward ok but that was just the way this year's championship developed." but its a sign of the times..the skill level is a lot lower compared to the football tyrone and kerry played in my view alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 11/10/2016 21:12:28 1925144 Link
Replying To Laois76: "Fair enough. I still have your county's present team slightly ahead in my mind.. Maybe it's the 4 leagues in a row. Ah well we'll agree to differ :)" both great teams..i just think our current side will be hindered by a somewhat poor opposition..if they win a few more though obviously they will rank higher..the league means little for me..and those kerry and tyrone sides won leagues alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 11/10/2016 21:14:22 1925146 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Alan to win 4 leagues in a row and then to have the stamina to go on and win 3 all Ireland's in that period is very impressive. If it isn't then why haven't other teams done it if it's no great achievement?" of course its very impressive but championship is ultimately what counts..dublin have a brilliant panel which helps a lot in the league especially on a week to week basis..and tyrone and kerry also won leagues alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 11/10/2016 21:16:18 1925148 Link
Replying To Dubh_linn: "11-14 was Donegal peak years undoubtedly and they were formidable .Mayo have arguably been the most consistent side apart from Dublin over last 5 years whatever you think about their final meltdowns which could be put down to meeting an exceptional Dublin side. Yes they do lack firepower but have consistently put it up to and beaten very good teams." and in relation to donegal i feel they were never the same after 2012 as mcfadden declined noticeably after alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 11/10/2016 21:18:25 1925151 Link
Replying To alano12: "because teams are not going at full pelt during the league and often save themselves for later on in the year..kerry are notable for doing this yet win a lot of leagues on pure talent..the structure of the season means ultimately it is all about championship" Still it's the second competition and winning it is another honour to add to the list. So a team that doesn't compete to win it don't rate as highly in my book as a team who want to win everything. Eddy Merckx in cycling was known as the cannibal because he wanted to win everything every year, from a criterium to the Tour de France. And he did win everything for a 6 year period and that's why he's regarded as the greatest cyclist of all time. Kinda the same with Ring, people quote his winning 18 Railway Cup medals. So for me the more you win of a secondary or third competition along with the All Irelands the better. Up until recently the league winners were guranteed an allstar or 2. When Laois won the league in 1986 we had 2 allstars, Liam Irwin and Colm Browne, even though we lost the first round of the championship to Wicklow in Aughrim. Monaghan, 1985 and Laois, 1986 certainly remember their league wins. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 11/10/2016 21:22:19 1925154 Link
Winning 4 leagues on the trot is definetky worthy of inclusion. Look at how it relates to consistency and how often it has been achieved.That cannot be discounted and is exceptional how ever you look at it. Winning all Ireland's in 3 of those years also. Exceptional. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 11/10/2016 21:30:19 1925160 Link
Replying To Laois76: "Still it's the second competition and winning it is another honour to add to the list. So a team that doesn't compete to win it don't rate as highly in my book as a team who want to win everything. Eddy Merckx in cycling was known as the cannibal because he wanted to win everything every year, from a criterium to the Tour de France. And he did win everything for a 6 year period and that's why he's regarded as the greatest cyclist of all time. Kinda the same with Ring, people quote his winning 18 Railway Cup medals. So for me the more you win of a secondary or third competition along with the All Irelands the better. Up until recently the league winners were guranteed an allstar or 2. When Laois won the league in 1986 we had 2 allstars, Liam Irwin and Colm Browne, even though we lost the first round of the championship to Wicklow in Aughrim. Monaghan, 1985 and Laois, 1986 certainly remember their league wins." obviously it helps..its not the same as the championship though..and factor in the league has been given a lot more credence since we started winning it!...tyrone and kerry have also won leagues alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 11/10/2016 21:51:24 1925170 Link
Consistency is the point and the league victories are definetly worthy of inclusion.Whether you consider them as important or not is a mute point as it's about maintaining that level of attitude and mindset to do it so regularly while also doing the nack to back AI. Not much point in trying to convince you otherwise as your entitled to your opinion.I just see it differently. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 11/10/2016 22:04:45 1925175 Link
Replying To alano12: "obviously it helps..its not the same as the championship though..and factor in the league has been given a lot more credence since we started winning it!...tyrone and kerry have also won leagues" Well there you go Alan since you started winning it! The 00s Dublin team were a good team but never came close to winning a league. It think the 4 in a row leagues only further demonstrate how good present Dublin are. Have to say that your rating Kerry/Tyrone 2000s as the best teams is very non biased for a Dublin man. I really respect your objectivity. If i was talking about a great Laois team i don't think i could be as objective and rational. And also your providing excellent back up to support your argument. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 11/10/2016 22:04:55 1925176 Link
I don't understand the logic here. It seems that Dublin are being regarded less because their opponents haven't accumulated many All Irelands. Their opponents aren't winning because Dublin keep winning because they are so bloody good. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 11/10/2016 22:40:00 1925183 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Didn't this Dublin team beat both those great Tyrone team and Kerry team in 2011. They haven't been heard of since." I think you'd call that passing the baton no? Hardly the same teams, Tyrone were never the same after 2005. The level of forward play dipped and Brian Mc Guigan's injuries took their toll. It took Cavanagh having his best year to win in 2008 also the fact they knew how to win an All Ireland. Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 11/10/2016 22:47:44 1925186 Link
We've a very long way to go before we are considered the greatest. But I tell ya what, we are decent enough waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 11/10/2016 22:55:50 1925196 Link
Replying To Laois76: "Well there you go Alan since you started winning it! The 00s Dublin team were a good team but never came close to winning a league. It think the 4 in a row leagues only further demonstrate how good present Dublin are. Have to say that your rating Kerry/Tyrone 2000s as the best teams is very non biased for a Dublin man. I really respect your objectivity. If i was talking about a great Laois team i don't think i could be as objective and rational. And also your providing excellent back up to support your argument." i just dont see point engaging in obvious bias..and ill admit im slightly biased to that era of the 00s...i think it was a more exciting championship as good as we are now..we may have won nothing then but we were great value drama wise...and obviously this dublin team arent finished yet alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 12/10/2016 00:29:03 1925207 Link