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Dublin footballers 2011-2016 Where do they rank?

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Hang on we're talking about era's here not 2012 or 2016, I said that Kerry team that won in 2014 was average yeah so what's your point it's still bleeding Kerry and there a lot better now than in '14 imo plus from '11 to '13 it was still the great Kerry team of the 00's give or take.Monaghan have won Ulster twice in this era and ran Dublin to a point in last years national league semi, Dublin won Leinster cause it was muck only 3 years before Westmeath n Laois were beating us."
I don't necessarily disagree, but you said that Donegal fans would say their current team is their best ever - I don't think it is as I think it's already a far cry from the 2012 team (albeit with a lot of the same personnel). Durkan and McFadden gone and Jim Mc not managing them means they are past their best IMO.

Another thing I should have pointed out in my response to your first post;
Cork of the 00s (prior to 2010) were widely considered to be the best team never to win the all ireland.

Westmeath had an inspired year when they won Leinster and yes, Dublin were poor that year, but Laois had a good team having won 4 minor all irelands on the trot. Dublin came on leaps and bounds by 2007 and pushed Kerry all the way that year.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 11/10/2016 12:25:45    1924858

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Replying To gotmilk:  "I despised them but surely the Meath team of 96-2001 needs to be in here?"
From memory the 2 Meath teams that won in 96 & 99 had a lot of different players.

TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts: 529 - 11/10/2016 12:57:25    1924875

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Replying To gotmilk:  "I despised them but surely the Meath team of 96-2001 needs to be in here?"
I know. There were so many teams with 2 all-irelands maybe 3 years apart. Like Down 1991 and 1994, Galway 1998 and 2001, Meath 1996 and 1999. They are nearly interchangeable.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 11/10/2016 13:06:05    1924878

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1. Kerry 1975-1986
2. Dublin 1974-1979
3. Tyrone 2003-2008
4. Down 1960-1968
5. Kerry 2000- 2009
6. Dublin 2011-2016
7. Galway 1964-1966
8. Meath 1986-1991
9. Cork 1973
10. Armagh 1999-2008
The Dubs of the 1970's changed football in many ways and got the better of Kerry in the match of the decade in 1977. At the moment I think they are better than the present team. Cork in 1973 was the most sensational one off All-Ireland putting five goals past Kerry, Tyrone and three against Galway in their last three games.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 11/10/2016 13:11:57    1924882

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Revised list and a few alterations!

1. Kerry 1975-1986
2. Dublin 2011-2016
3. Galway 1964-1966
4. Tyrone 2003-2008
5. Kerry 2004-2009
6. Dublin 1974-1979
7. Down 1991-1994
8. Down 1960-1961
9. Meath 1987-1991
10. Galway 1998-2001
11. Cork 1987-1990
12. Offaly 1971-1972
13. Meath 1996-2001

Highly commended.. Kerry (1997 and 2000), Armagh (2002 and 7 Ulsters during this time), Derry (1993, League wins 1995 and 1996, should have won more AIs), Mayo (2010s, no all irelands, 5 Connaught titles), Donegal (2011-2014).

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 11/10/2016 13:19:18    1924885

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Replying To Byanthon:  "1. Kerry 1975-1986
2. Dublin 1974-1979
3. Tyrone 2003-2008
4. Down 1960-1968
5. Kerry 2000- 2009
6. Dublin 2011-2016
7. Galway 1964-1966
8. Meath 1986-1991
9. Cork 1973
10. Armagh 1999-2008
The Dubs of the 1970's changed football in many ways and got the better of Kerry in the match of the decade in 1977. At the moment I think they are better than the present team. Cork in 1973 was the most sensational one off All-Ireland putting five goals past Kerry, Tyrone and three against Galway in their last three games."
Thanks Byanthon. Great info on Cork 1973.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 11/10/2016 13:21:33    1924887

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Got milk Laois were never all Ireland contenders Mayo were average in the 00's two all Ireland appearances covers up how average they were and were also never really all Ireland contenders, Dublin were favourites cause we destroyed terrible teams in leinster and got hammered once we met Kerry or Tyrone all the time. I'm talking about all Ireland contenders not upsets that still happens today with Tipp.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 11/10/2016 13:27:58    1924891

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Current Dublin team are clearly ahead of the Tyrone team of the last decade. They've won 4 out of 6 All Ireland's and won the last 4 league titles.

TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts: 529 - 11/10/2016 13:42:49    1924896

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Replying To HurlingWarrior:  "Kerry Tyrone Cork Armagh are all much weaker than they were in the last decade (I know Cork won in 2010 but they were better in the years before 2010) whereas only Mayo have significantly improved and been the only relevant challengers to Dublin in this decade.

It's funny that people say Hurling isn't a competitive sport yet there are 5 realistic challengers for the AI as opposed to 2 (3 if Tyrone find 2/3 top quality forwards)"
Sorry hold on a second. I think you're being very generous with your number of hurling challengers and harsh on the number in football.

Football definitely had 3 challengers Kerry and the 2 finalists. I'd say Donegal and Tyrone were as much challengers as say a Galway is in hurling.

Who is your fifth after the semi finalists? Clare? Were they really realistic challengers?

Kilkenny have won 11 of the last 17 hurling championships for crying out loud. The provincial finals and All Ireland semifinals this year were the exact same as last years, although at least Tipp won out.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 11/10/2016 13:44:56    1924898

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Who was more competition? There was Kerry Tyrone and Armagh that was pretty much it the rest made up the numbers.

Now there's Dublin Kerry Mayo Donegal Tyrone Monaghan.

It's just cause Dublin are so dominant you think the standard isn't as good but I'm sure you ask a Mayo or Donegal supporter and they'll tell you this is there greatest ever teams."
monaghan?..i dont think donegal have been that good outside of 3 out of the 4 years under jim and they were hardly on the level of the big 3 in the 00s?...likes of dublin and mayo way ahead in 00s way ahead of monaghan who we hammered and tyrone have beaten twice

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 11/10/2016 13:53:38    1924904

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Hang on we're talking about era's here not 2012 or 2016, I said that Kerry team that won in 2014 was average yeah so what's your point it's still bleeding Kerry and there a lot better now than in '14 imo plus from '11 to '13 it was still the great Kerry team of the 00's give or take.Monaghan have won Ulster twice in this era and ran Dublin to a point in last years national league semi, Dublin won Leinster cause it was muck only 3 years before Westmeath n Laois were beating us."
a league game?..you are really clutching at straws here..this era for competition has been pretty ordinary id have to say

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 11/10/2016 13:55:02    1924905

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Sorry hold on a second. I think you're being very generous with your number of hurling challengers and harsh on the number in football.

Football definitely had 3 challengers Kerry and the 2 finalists. I'd say Donegal and Tyrone were as much challengers as say a Galway is in hurling.

Who is your fifth after the semi finalists? Clare? Were they really realistic challengers?

Kilkenny have won 11 of the last 17 hurling championships for crying out loud. The provincial finals and All Ireland semifinals this year were the exact same as last years, although at least Tipp won out."
Simple. KK Tipp Clare Galway and the Deise

KK & Tipp- say no more

Galway have played two thrillers with Tipp in the last 2 years so if Tipp are a contender so are the Tribesmen.

Waterford - Have the most exciting batch of young players in the country who were a puck a ball away from beating the Cats on 2 separate days, I can only seeing them get better and better and convinced they will climb the Hogan steps within the next couple of years

Clare - A group of players who have already won an AI, I think Moloney will release the shackles they have been entangled the last few years and they are definite contenders even if at the moment they are 5th in the pecking order it's certainly not a stretch to see them getting to a Final with the amount of talent they possess

Even after that you have Limerick, Cork, Dublin all close together and well capable of beating any of the 5 but not going all the way, hopefully in the next year or two our talented underage lads continue to develop and follow the Deise track record to success, easier said than done onbviously

HurlingWarrior (Limerick) - Posts: 61 - 11/10/2016 13:58:06    1924909

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1. Kerry/Tyrone 00s
2. Kerry 70s-80s
3. Dublin 2011-2016
4. Dublin 1974-79
5. Down 1991-1994
6. Meath 1987-1991
7. Armagh 00s (odd choice but feel if not for two incredible teams plus a lsuprise loss in 2004 probably would have won more)
8. Galway 1998-2001
9. Meath 96-2001

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 11/10/2016 13:59:48    1924911

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The 03-2009 Tyrone team was the best ever - Current Dublin team are a good team but not even in the same league.
With the funding etc they have this is to be expected.
Also think Armagh 1999 - 2006 and Donegal 2011 - 2016 are up there considering where they came from in the previous years

ulster83 (Tyrone) - Posts: 114 - 11/10/2016 14:09:45    1924918

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Who was more competition? There was Kerry Tyrone and Armagh that was pretty much it the rest made up the numbers.

Now there's Dublin Kerry Mayo Donegal Tyrone Monaghan.

It's just cause Dublin are so dominant you think the standard isn't as good but I'm sure you ask a Mayo or Donegal supporter and they'll tell you this is there greatest ever teams."
This is always a funny claim from a Dublin man

2005 RTE made a documentary about your football team and no other, so to say that you weren't in the hunt is nonsense

You did as much last decade as we have this decade if not more!

I'd put those 2000s teams of Kerry and Tyrone against anyone...there aren't many that would live with that physicality

Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 11/10/2016 14:09:59    1924919

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Replying To TheWestIsAwake:  "Current Dublin team are clearly ahead of the Tyrone team of the last decade. They've won 4 out of 6 All Ireland's and won the last 4 league titles."
1. League is not an accurate gauge as many teams don't take it seriously
2. Tyrone had to a colossal rival in Ulster in Armagh, Dublin have no opposition in Leinster
3. How strong Kerry are is always a good marker of success and they were much much stronger through the 00s than they are now.

Given the difference in the standard of football (it absolutely peaked in 2005 and hasn't hit that level since), I'd have Tyrone and Kerry ahead of the current Dublin team.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 11/10/2016 14:19:48    1924927

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Got milk Laois were never all Ireland contenders Mayo were average in the 00's two all Ireland appearances covers up how average they were and were also never really all Ireland contenders, Dublin were favourites cause we destroyed terrible teams in leinster and got hammered once we met Kerry or Tyrone all the time. I'm talking about all Ireland contenders not upsets that still happens today with Tipp."
If you are basing it on All Ireland contenders then the 00s were a stronger period. Armagh, Kerry and Tyrone were always there or there abouts. Mayo were a good side in that era despite what you say. Atm there is Dublin and possibly Mayo. There were upsets in that period where any side could be beaten by about 1 of 10 sides.
That doesn't happen now. I saw one poster say Fermanagh were in the top 10 sides in the country yet when they played the Dubs they were 1/200 on.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 11/10/2016 14:23:28    1924931

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Got milk Laois were never all Ireland contenders Mayo were average in the 00's two all Ireland appearances covers up how average they were and were also never really all Ireland contenders, Dublin were favourites cause we destroyed terrible teams in leinster and got hammered once we met Kerry or Tyrone all the time. I'm talking about all Ireland contenders not upsets that still happens today with Tipp."
Just for the record this Dublin side is the best side I've ever seen play football.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 11/10/2016 14:24:14    1924932

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HUrlingWarrior Mayo have been the only ones to challenge us this decade? Sorry remind me when we hammered Kerry or Donegal in championship football this decade?

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 11/10/2016 14:26:16    1924933

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Replying To TheWestIsAwake:  "Current Dublin team are clearly ahead of the Tyrone team of the last decade. They've won 4 out of 6 All Ireland's and won the last 4 league titles."
They're clearly ahead in terms of AI wins but to consider this the same kind of era is stupid.

I mean all you have to do is look at Kerry who have 1 AI since the turn of the decade, that should be all you need to know. Every team is measured against Kerry and the current Kerry team aren't very successful.

Dublin have 4 of 6 and lost 2 semi finals, last decade Kerry had 5 of 10 and lost 3 finals.

Dublin don't have a real nemesis to deal with and to be honest the gap is closing before our eyes, you can't just keep winning by the thinnest margins forever

Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 11/10/2016 14:37:04    1924939

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