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Replying To GaryMc82: "The Kerry lads know how to win! liner (Mayo) - Posts:708 - 06/10/2016 20:46:07 Yep, but It's the losing bit your struggling with these days" Derry for sam 17 liner (Mayo) - Posts: 756 - 06/10/2016 22:03:16 1923525 Link
Replying To keithlemon: "Ah yes, the organically developed football heroes as opposed to the manufactured argument. It's never a case that the other team won, it's always that Kerry lost right? If only life was that simple but unfortunately hurlingwarrior, Dublin have developed players organically as well despite what some might claim and have beaten Kerry because they were a better team just like Tyrone or Down or Donegal in the last 6 years. Funny that a poster from Limerick should appear today (with all 9 posts to his name so far) and weigh in with such an argument I've heard Kerry people spout over many many years. We were only talking about other posters who we haven't seen around here in a while funnily enough, makes me wonder....." I in no way have to justify myself to you considering you won't even disclose where you are from. But maybe unknown to you Kerry is in close proximity to Limerick and it's not like I only conversed with people from Limerick in college, work and life in general. Also, I have played challenge matches in both codes against Kerry opposition so have come across a lot of Kerry gaels and ae very familar with how they operate I like to see them do well (not at our expense) but certainly not a cheerleader for them just highlighting the fact that comparing them to Dublin is absolutely misguided as both sides are operate in totally different manners HurlingWarrior (Limerick) - Posts: 61 - 06/10/2016 22:19:17 1923533 Link
Replying To keithlemon: "Ah yes, the organically developed football heroes as opposed to the manufactured argument. It's never a case that the other team won, it's always that Kerry lost right? If only life was that simple but unfortunately hurlingwarrior, Dublin have developed players organically as well despite what some might claim and have beaten Kerry because they were a better team just like Tyrone or Down or Donegal in the last 6 years. Funny that a poster from Limerick should appear today (with all 9 posts to his name so far) and weigh in with such an argument I've heard Kerry people spout over many many years. We were only talking about other posters who we haven't seen around here in a while funnily enough, makes me wonder....." bit rich from the guy who wont even admit hes a dub in fairness no? alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 06/10/2016 22:56:58 1923554 Link
as a dublin gaa man i dont quite get this thread....we have often been lauded as the saviours of football in recent years..sure we get some begrudging but overall not really especially compared with some recent winners think donegal but especially tyrone in the 00s who as well as winning a lot of followers won a huge amount of people who despise them to this very day and imply they started this thing known as cynical or negative football...a certain puke football remark has left a lasting legacy alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 06/10/2016 22:59:12 1923556 Link
Replying To Dubh_linn: "A bit sour are we !" bitter more like superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 06/10/2016 23:59:15 1923570 Link
Replying To liner: "off home they go and not a word out of them. Job done." mayo would never be like that !! superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 07/10/2016 00:00:54 1923571 Link
Replying To alano12: "bit rich from the guy who wont even admit hes a dub in fairness no?" I'm a Dub am I? News to me Tell me more Inspector Clouseau keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 07/10/2016 09:12:35 1923596 Link
Replying To fainleog: "If Kerry had won in 1982, they would have won 5 in a row, not 8 in a row that you stated. Kerry won 4 in a row from 1978 to 1981. Offaly won in 1982. In 1983 Kerry lost to Cork in the Munster Final and Dublin beat Cork in the semi -final. Dublin won the All-Ireland in 1983. Kerry won 3 in a row from 1984 to 1986." Jayus with addition like that it is a good job I am not on the scoreboard in croke park! gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 07/10/2016 12:28:20 1923692 Link
Replying To gormdubhgorm: "The Kilkenny hurling team are lauded and praised to the hilt by the GAA community. When the Ulster football teams had the great run in the 90s it was viewed as a "breath of fresh air". When Kerry and Tyrone had their recent period of prolonged success they were viewed as tenacious, marvellous footballing teams .The word tenacious would have been used in spades with tyrone. When Galway won their two recent football all-irelands they were viewed as "swashbuckling, flair team". When Meath had their period of success they were viewed as "never day die never give up, tough as anything" When Cork won back to back AI in the football and were successful in hurling when that period is spoken of Teddy McCarthy is called the last great dual player in Gaelic Games. The great Kerry team of the 70s and 80s who could have won 8 in a row only for Seamus Darby! They are now lauded in hushed tones and misty eyes as the greatest football team in the history of the GAA. Dublin have a period of success comparable to the Kerry team of the last decade. The response? THEY BOUGHT IT My question is why is this Dublin team the only great team who is resented? If they are the begrudger's choice, they must surely get the title of the most resented team in the history of the GAA?" I watched the drawn final in a pub in Ealing. The Dubs around me assumed us neutrals would be agin them. Speaking for myself, I wasn't leaning in either direction, although a Mayo victory would have been welcome, given the wait. As the game entered the inevitable squeaky bum phase, the two youngest Dubs went from crowing to shock to relief. The Mayo people gave the odd shout and cheer along the way... but they seemed too nervous to do more than stare intently and will their team on. Truthfully, I have more respect for the latter than the former. This Dublin team are probably past their zenith. That said, they have won this year when not playing well. If the chasing pack don't raise their game (Mayo need to find another point scoring machine in the forwards, Kerry need to boost their fitness levels to see out the seventy plus, Tyrone need to trust their attacking instincts more... etc) they will sneak a few more titles in the years ahead. It should make for fantastic viewing. Were the Ulster teams' successes universally welcomed in the nineties? Were Tyrone given full credit for their melding of skill, stamina and speed? Were the noughties vintage Kerry acknowledged as being sublimely efficient more often than not? No! Begrudery ruled then; it continues to rule now. plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 07/10/2016 13:04:33 1923717 Link
Some of the Dublin lads on here would really want to start enjoying their success rather than taking shots at other counties and looking for constant reassurance. You have a successful team with some great players. It mightn't last forever, enjoy it FFS. This thread was started with the aim of a slagging match with other posters. It's ridiculous. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 07/10/2016 13:18:44 1923731 Link
A few years back, Kerry and Galway played a championship game of open football. Forgive for preferring that to the rooting and tearing that often passes for football. When we last one the title, I was in shock at seeing a Kerry team win ugly. It is what it is... but it isn't palatable, if I'm honest. plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 07/10/2016 13:20:16 1923732 Link
Replying To plike: "I watched the drawn final in a pub in Ealing. The Dubs around me assumed us neutrals would be agin them. Speaking for myself, I wasn't leaning in either direction, although a Mayo victory would have been welcome, given the wait. As the game entered the inevitable squeaky bum phase, the two youngest Dubs went from crowing to shock to relief. The Mayo people gave the odd shout and cheer along the way... but they seemed too nervous to do more than stare intently and will their team on. Truthfully, I have more respect for the latter than the former. This Dublin team are probably past their zenith. That said, they have won this year when not playing well. If the chasing pack don't raise their game (Mayo need to find another point scoring machine in the forwards, Kerry need to boost their fitness levels to see out the seventy plus, Tyrone need to trust their attacking instincts more... etc) they will sneak a few more titles in the years ahead. It should make for fantastic viewing. Were the Ulster teams' successes universally welcomed in the nineties? Were Tyrone given full credit for their melding of skill, stamina and speed? Were the noughties vintage Kerry acknowledged as being sublimely efficient more often than not? No! Begrudery ruled then; it continues to rule now." Some fair points there plike but jaysus man , honing in on a couple of young Dubs having a few drinks and getting carried away in the excitement of a hard fought final says to me you might secretly be a little more biased than you care to admit. If they were the difference between who you wanted to win then I'd say you were easily swayed. Anyway, hope you enjoyed the day. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 07/10/2016 13:35:47 1923742 Link
Replying To liner: " Replying To GaryMc82: "The Kerry lads know how to win! liner (Mayo) - Posts:708 - 06/10/2016 20:46:07 Yep, but It's the losing bit your struggling with these days" Derry for sam 17" You knows it baby, you knows it. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 07/10/2016 19:46:57 1923898 Link
Replying To plike: "A few years back, Kerry and Galway played a championship game of open football. Forgive for preferring that to the rooting and tearing that often passes for football. When we last one the title, I was in shock at seeing a Kerry team win ugly. It is what it is... but it isn't palatable, if I'm honest." Why did Kerry win ugly, rather than play that open style football they demonstrated during years of prior success? GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 07/10/2016 20:07:16 1923909 Link
I don't think many of the teams who are winning constantly get too much love outside their own immediate supporters, so nothing new there. Of course it's easy to slag teams and posters off on websites but in real life I think there's respect towards Dublin for what they are doing.Best of luck while it lasts as it looks like the team might be getting a bit jaded and have definetly struggled more this year. I think there will have to be a different approach next year. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 07/10/2016 20:21:20 1923915 Link
I dont agree that this team is resented more than previous great teams. Its a human condition that people get pied off when the same shams keep winning (Killkenny,Steve Davis,Phil Taylor). The brilliant Tyrone team of the noughties got more begrudgery in the GAA than this team and Kerry experience it too when they are dominating. Dublin is the most unpopular county in the country so we are bound to have an extra few amadans yelping out of them. Barring one or two players I feel there is a lot of respect among Gaels for this team and how they play.Regarding the funding issue,I was shocked by the disparity of money we got in comparison to other counties.Its a complex issue but we dont need that much.The Leitrims and Wicklows of this country and the forgotten elephant in the room BELFAST are more pressing concerns but I believe money has very little to do with the success of this Dublin team. Pat Gilroy, Jim Gavin and a very committed bunch of players have ensured the All Irelands we craved,wont last forever but we will take it while its goin. Na Dubs Abu CaogaCuig (Dublin)** - Posts: 63 - 08/10/2016 02:21:20 1923972 Link
I would also agree that Dublins current success would probably have happened anyway. The GAA really only turned on the taps in the late 00's and most of the golden generation (Flynn, cluxton, brogan) were already senior at that stage. It will very likely have a big impact in future though and the GAA need to address it. It's very understandable that other counties are getting fed up as the disparity is funding is not justified on any level. Personally I don't resent Dublins success at all. I like watching them play and admire Gavins approach. Obviously my own county has suffered a bit at the hand of this team but that won't last forever. To say teams of the past weren't resented is wrong. Even now when Kerry play most neutrals are shouting for the other team. Everyone loves an underdog, and that's not a phenomenon that is unique to GAA. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 08/10/2016 08:47:59 1923982 Link
I still think the funding issue needs to be addressed, I'm not opposed to Dublin getting the largest slice of the pie, games development in the Capital is vital. But the current levels are over the top, and should be addressed. I mentioned before that the 9 Counties in Ulster, with a combined population of approx 2.1 million people (Almost a 3rd of the entire Island of Ireland's population) have in total received less than 20% of what Dublin GAA received for Games Development over the last 6 years. When people see that kind of funding, and then the kind of success the County that received the funding is currently enjoying, It generates resentment towards the GAA and people like Pauric Duffy who overseen these decisions. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 08/10/2016 23:06:07 1924147 Link
Pardon my ignorance here but what exactly is this money used for? I'm not trying to be smart here but has something different happened at underage level in Dublin where lads from minor level down are going out to a football field with goal posts, a bag of balls and some parents helping out doing drills with the kids and a match at the end? keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 09/10/2016 08:46:19 1924166 Link
Replying To Dubh_linn: "Liner, it's a forum for GAA discussion.The posters are anonymous . What do you expect. It's mostly BS and piss taking with almost any sensible attempt at decent discussion degenerating into a slag fest. You'll have plenty of the Kerry experience to refresh your memory next year if you have forgotten already your last encounter." Good post browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 09/10/2016 11:02:09 1924180 Link