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Replying To witnof: "Can someone write an article how much money do the Dubs make for the GAA, and then we can discuss the net net figures." we couldnt even fill nowlan park so i wouldnt be going around claiming how good we are as gaa people
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 06/10/2016 22:42:24
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As I've said on numerous occasions you have to cap what a county spends on their senior panel from management costs, training, sponsorship etc you can spend as much as you want on underage but at senior level it has to be a level playing field money wise, I would go further and say money should be divided 50/50 between football and hurling. You can't have Dublin spending for example 1 million euro per year while Carlow can only gather 50,000 euro, if the GAA refuse to cap then the argument of a 2 or 3 tier championship will become a reality, it has to.
The biggest elephant in the room is a statement by the GAA few years ago when it was said that 'we need a strong presence in the capital, we need the GAA to grow and develop in the capital, the GAA needs a strong Dublin'. Now if that isn't an excuse for a distorted funding or 'gerrymandering' within the GAA then I don't know what is. Imagine if the other 34 teams I include London, New York (football) and Warwickshire (hurling) decided not to enter a team in the 2017, 2018 championship until the GAA caps or divides money available equally. The dubs can argue that their supporters bring in a lot of revenue but I would say in Connacht in late 90s when Mayo and Galway were strong we got between 30 and 35000 for a Connacht final, today we are lucky to break 20000 and that's down to emigration and Mayo being strong while Galway aren't, at least this season Galway won the title and Roscommon have made great strides but it takes funding to stay at those levels, a stronger Leinster championship would make it more exciting but without a level playing field that can't happen
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 06/10/2016 23:03:57
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Replying To alano12: "but the question remains why were they provided such large amounts of money especially compared to smaller counties who receive 0 funding and are largely ignored...there is no need to act so arrogant about it...people are allowed to ask questions no matter what county they are from which you seem to take major issue with" A bit rich coming from the lad pretending to be a Dub no?
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 07/10/2016 09:40:16
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Everytime something like this comes up it ends up being a Dublin against the rest argument.
But that shouldnt be the case. This isnt a Dublin problem. Theyre not demanding this level of funding, this is something thats offered to them by the power that be. Theres little point in directing any ire towards Dublin, it isnt their fault, it isnt their problem. Theyre not going to turn down whats offered to them, why should they? If the same situation was happening in Wexford i wouldnt expect anything different.
But its high time now that the GAA starts to look at itself quite closely. The situation cannot continue and goes against the very ethos of the GAA itself.
Its time to start levelling the playing field in the GAA. Clubs in dublin at the moment have as many if not more full time coaches than some Counties, yet said same counties are expected to compete with Dublin!
Dont blame the Dubs, blame the GAA. The GAA is dying a death in many areas around the country, time for a bit of fairness.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1347 - 07/10/2016 10:05:42
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Replying To tearintom: "Everytime something like this comes up it ends up being a Dublin against the rest argument.
But that shouldnt be the case. This isnt a Dublin problem. Theyre not demanding this level of funding, this is something thats offered to them by the power that be. Theres little point in directing any ire towards Dublin, it isnt their fault, it isnt their problem. Theyre not going to turn down whats offered to them, why should they? If the same situation was happening in Wexford i wouldnt expect anything different.
But its high time now that the GAA starts to look at itself quite closely. The situation cannot continue and goes against the very ethos of the GAA itself.
Its time to start levelling the playing field in the GAA. Clubs in dublin at the moment have as many if not more full time coaches than some Counties, yet said same counties are expected to compete with Dublin!
Dont blame the Dubs, blame the GAA. The GAA is dying a death in many areas around the country, time for a bit of fairness." Well said tearintom
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 07/10/2016 10:26:49
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Replying To keithlemon: "Well said tearintom" I agree. Dublin are successful through strategic planning and they have the resources to fund it.
I'm sure if another county were offered the funding they wouldn't say no. So Dublin are not the cause of the problem. Its GAA HQ who are paying lip service to players and clubs.
It should be issued equally. Total funding divided by the total number of registered players in the country. This will give a set figure per player.
Each county gets this figure x the number of players in that county.
Fair and equal.
FrDougalMaguire (Cavan) - Posts: 152 - 07/10/2016 11:02:52
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Just to clarify, I wasn't blaming the Dubs nor is this some sour grapes nonsense.
The issue is the disproportionate level of funding per person compared to the rest of the country.
If you take from two down it looks more as it should. Fermanagh, Longford etc at the top of the list and Kerry, Mayo etc further down.
I don't blame Dublin for taking it. If it was Kerry I probably say nothing until it was pointed out and then agree it's a bit much in 'the interest of fairness'. But the distribution here is cat.
Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 07/10/2016 11:24:55
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well they could be based centrally
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:661 - 06/10/2016
I would imagine the colleges being based in Dublin is more of a historic thing, it's not as if they've just popped up in the capital over the last few years. Surely it makes more sense to have them closer to your biggest population base?
Regarding the sports campus, with the exception of Sailing Ireland and Rowing Ireland pretty much all our national sporting bodies were already based in and around the Dublin area (I'll include Triathlon Ireland in this as their office is just outside Bray). A national campus in somewhere like Athlone or Portlaoise may have made sense if you were bringing organisations from all corners of the country together and setting up a central unit, but as the majority of them are based in Dublin then I don't see any argument for relocating them all. You've also got much better access to our biggest airport, one of our main ports and make it more accessible to your largest population base by locating it in Dublin. People mightn't think it fair that a national campus is based in the capital, but I've yet to hear a decent argument for it being based anywhere else.
if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 07/10/2016 11:40:20
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Replying To keithlemon: "A bit rich coming from the lad pretending to be a Dub no?" but im not pretending to be a dub?..dub through and through just its pretty easy to see we are given way too much funding compared to rest of country considering our other sources of revenue
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 07/10/2016 11:50:06
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A dub through and through, yet you refer to Dublin as 'they' in a previous post
"but the question remains why were they provided such large amounts of money"
Very strange behaviour for a Dub to refer to his own county as 'they' don't you think
Also, I noticed that on this thread you didn't take issue with the initial article written by Ewan McKenna itself. I don't think any Dub is naive enough to think that Dublin haven't benefited from money received from HQ but I don't know any Dub that wouldn't find Mr. McKenna's comments unflattering at the very least. I'm not a Dub (contrary to what you believe) and I find the language used in the piece quite spiteful. Are we to take it that you fully agree with his article and his stance on Dublin's unequal allocation of resources compared to all the rest and that it takes away from Dublins recent success?
Surely a Dublin GAA man through and through like yourself can add more to this thread in respect of how Dublin GAA clubs, such as your own, are run, if your club has contributed to Dublin's current success, and what benefits you've seen at the ground level from this money received? Has it changed how underage teams in your club are coached?
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 07/10/2016 14:11:58
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Maybe at the next congress there should be a vote to ban the Dubs from the GAA so then everyone competes on a level playing field.
Why does no one talk about how much Dublin make for the GAA, are they a net contributor or net taker. Would love to see a table of net contributors and net takers as this may give a clear picture
witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 07/10/2016 14:19:35
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To be fair Hermit i was surprised on a recent trip to The Europe Hotel and Spa in Killarney how many of the Kerry footballers i saw in the spa getting sports treatments, pools, steam rooms, sauna and in the restraunts for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I'm can understand that. I suppose the point i am making is every county looks after their own in their own way.
On a side note its a scary thing seeing the Gooch come out of the mist in the sauna :)! Was totally star struck.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/10/2016 14:28:39
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Replying To TheUsername: "To be fair Hermit i was surprised on a recent trip to The Europe Hotel and Spa in Killarney how many of the Kerry footballers i saw in the spa getting sports treatments, pools, steam rooms, sauna and in the restraunts for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I'm can understand that. I suppose the point i am making is every county looks after their own in their own way.
On a side note its a scary thing seeing the Gooch come out of the mist in the sauna :)! Was totally star struck." Username the Kerry lads on the senior panel are well looked after and no one is denying that.
Just like any rational GAA supporter isn't blaming Dublin for using the money they have got off Croke Park to develop their potential to the utmost. No cow ever refused a fresh field of grass!
The whole point is that the GAA has presided over an incredibly unfair and unbalanced system as regards their development funding - it has massively and disproportionality favored Dublin - as the figures released this week show. We aren't talking about a few euros here and there, Dublin have been granted more than the other 31 counties combined.
It has to stop and any GAA supporter who can't see what wrong with it needs their head examined.
Will an equitable system make the Carlows and Leitrim's of this world All-Ireland contenders, of course not.
Will Dublin still have plenty of money if this development funding was cut back to that of the other counties, yes.
But the point is the money they spend on their set-up, just like the money Kerry spend on there's will be the money they have to secure themselves through their own sponsorship deals and their own fund raising.
Dublin will always enjoy advantages over most other counties just because of social/historical and geographic factors. But the GAA's policies have simply exacerbated them and made it increasingly unlikely any other county can live with them in the long run.
It's against the very ethos of the GAA and must be stopped.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 07/10/2016 15:47:53
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Dublin getting a disproportionate number of Sam Maguires. This madness must stop!
God be with the days of soft All Irelands and 3 game champos!
Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 07/10/2016 19:25:43
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Dublin are not to blame it's the GAA not realising that for success in the capital it would have been better to fund all counties within the Pale, why didn't the GAA give equal amount of money to Louth, Meath, Kildare, Wicklow as they did to Dublin, why? Because it would have made the Leinster champ uneven and the other 7 Leinster counties would not be happy with that plan yet having 1 strong team like at the moment wasn't a stupid idea. The GAA could have given funding to Dublin co board to develop the game within schools etc for 5 years and then go country wide instead they forgot to put an end date on when the funding would cease and forget about the other counties. Take soccer imagine if UEFA or FIFA gave millions to Barcelona to develop the game locally and play every major match including the final in their city yet give League of Ireland or Welsh clubs a few hundred to develop the game and then expect those teams to compete properly with Barca in the same competition, madness
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 07/10/2016 22:37:30
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Replying To Floops: "Dublin getting a disproportionate number of Sam Maguires. This madness must stop!
God be with the days of soft All Irelands and 3 game champos!" Dublin's champo, as you say, is basically 3 games. Sometimes 2 games. The Leinster championship is now a joke. I wonder what could be one of the main reasons for the widening gap between Dublin and the rest of Leinster. I know Dublin put a plan in place, coaching structures etc. All of this was run on fresh air supposedly. Again not DCB fault but GAAs. Dublin followers refusal to at least acknowledge this is frustrating.
Weary (None) - Posts: 249 - 08/10/2016 09:47:41
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I'll tell what's frustrating
Theres a reason why I mentioned Cork
People are frustrated that they aren't getting appropriate funding, that tax payer money / GAA finances is being spent on games development in our capital
Ok, well we're (the Irish tax payer) are handing €30 million to redevelop a stadium in Cork that will be lucky to be filled 2 times a year.
€30 MILLION!!
That dwarfs the Irish sorts councils grants to Dublin over.
Now that's just the Irish tax payer side of things
The total project is costing €70 Million !! *all going well
So where is the other €40 million coming from then ?
You guessed it.. once again the GAA are investing millions into another bloated Celtic Tiger styled vanity project
Are you telling me those 10's of millions shouldn't be spent on games development around the country?
These figures greatly dwarf the level of investment into Dublin.
So where's the outrage? Where's the frustration? Where's the moral out cry?
These sort of figures dwarf the investment into 12 years of development funding being awarded to a successful DCB strategic plan.
They are well above anything that Dublin has received, and on what?
Yep another bloated vanity project.
I would strongly question the opinions of some on this topic, if people genuinely cared about tax payers money and GAA investment not being fairly distributed, then why is no one talking about this project in similar terms?
Maybe because it's not as easy as hear and repeat.
The insane amount of tax payer/GAA funding which could be being spent on games development right across Ireland is going into another vanity project which very few will benefit from
So excuse me if I get a little frustrated at the sheer level of misguided outrage on this topic as the sheer level of ignorance is quite telling and it a large slice of this noise is only being made out of sheer begrudgery
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 08/10/2016 10:56:49
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Replying To Weary: "Dublin's champo, as you say, is basically 3 games. Sometimes 2 games. The Leinster championship is now a joke. I wonder what could be one of the main reasons for the widening gap between Dublin and the rest of Leinster. I know Dublin put a plan in place, coaching structures etc. All of this was run on fresh air supposedly. Again not DCB fault but GAAs. Dublin followers refusal to at least acknowledge this is frustrating." Soft leinsters is one thing, soft AIs another. Did you watch dublins last 3 games? Down in all 3 and STILL fought to the top. Coaching structures you say?
What's really frustrating is the likes of yourself refusing to acknowledge the greatness of this group of players!
No belly tickle trophies here.
Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 08/10/2016 11:06:28
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Replying To Floops: "Soft leinsters is one thing, soft AIs another. Did you watch dublins last 3 games? Down in all 3 and STILL fought to the top. Coaching structures you say?
What's really frustrating is the likes of yourself refusing to acknowledge the greatness of this group of players!
No belly tickle trophies here." OK let me state clearly that I think that this is probably Dublin's finest bunch of footballers ever to represent the county. They are deserving winners of all recent All Ireland victorys. I have the height of respect for some of the Dublin players, others I don't care much for. I have not and do not begrudge Dublin any of their titles.
That of course has zilch to do with this topic. The topic concerns the granting of development monies to Dublin at an astronomical rate compared to the rest of the country. If you cannot see that, I can do nothing about it. Btw Dublin were not down in all 3. Not in the closing stages at least
Weary (None) - Posts: 249 - 08/10/2016 12:53:25
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Replying To jimbodub: "Weary
I'll tell what's frustrating
Theres a reason why I mentioned Cork
People are frustrated that they aren't getting appropriate funding, that tax payer money / GAA finances is being spent on games development in our capital
Ok, well we're (the Irish tax payer) are handing €30 million to redevelop a stadium in Cork that will be lucky to be filled 2 times a year.
€30 MILLION!!
That dwarfs the Irish sorts councils grants to Dublin over.
Now that's just the Irish tax payer side of things
The total project is costing €70 Million !! *all going well
So where is the other €40 million coming from then ?
You guessed it.. once again the GAA are investing millions into another bloated Celtic Tiger styled vanity project
Are you telling me those 10's of millions shouldn't be spent on games development around the country?
These figures greatly dwarf the level of investment into Dublin.
So where's the outrage? Where's the frustration? Where's the moral out cry?
These sort of figures dwarf the investment into 12 years of development funding being awarded to a successful DCB strategic plan.
They are well above anything that Dublin has received, and on what?
Yep another bloated vanity project.
I would strongly question the opinions of some on this topic, if people genuinely cared about tax payers money and GAA investment not being fairly distributed, then why is no one talking about this project in similar terms?
Maybe because it's not as easy as hear and repeat.
The insane amount of tax payer/GAA funding which could be being spent on games development right across Ireland is going into another vanity project which very few will benefit from
So excuse me if I get a little frustrated at the sheer level of misguided outrage on this topic as the sheer level of ignorance is quite telling and it a large slice of this noise is only being made out of sheer begrudgery" OK as I stated to floops. I have not and do not begrudge Dublin any of their All Ireland titles. I have great respect and admiration for some Dublin players and not so much of others. Dublin are deserving winners of their recent titles no question.
I too agree that the money being pumped into the vanity project in Cork is beyond ridiculous and is a waste.
Still this topic is in relation to Dublin receiving multiples more in development monies compared to the rest of the country and has done so for 12 or so years. That is the issue at hand.
5 or 6 years ago there wasn't a white elephant being built in Cork but Dublin was receiving multiples of development funds compared to the rest of the country.That is all. It is not a slight at the success of Dublin's senior football success for the last time!
It is just about the development funding!
Weary (None) - Posts: 249 - 08/10/2016 13:07:52
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