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Financial Doping in the GAA

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I suppose it's easy to say things like that Keith when it your county that has gotten 16 million in development funding since 2005.
Jimbo says other counties have advantages over smaller counties ( I take it he means us in Kerry ) our senior team had nowhere in our own county to train last winter so they had to travel to UL in limerick and the mallow complex in cork. anything we ever got in Kerry we earned from our own hard work.
Dublin can't say the same."
Kerry spent more on their Senior team then Dublin last year mate, I guess money doesn't always mean success.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 26/10/2016 20:36:20    1929318

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Replying To arock:  ""I can't see any reason why this information is not clearly released in the public domain every year. "
But it is - the problem here is that people are too lasy to look, so instead we get muppets who haven't got a clue publish or rehash bits and pieces of information and this in turn forms the basis of this thread.
The Dublin GAA publishes online its annual accounts.
A simple search will find them
The GAA publishes its annual accounts
a simple search will find them
The Sports Council of Ireland publishes its annual accounts
A simple search will find them
The AIG sponsoship deal with Dublin a simple search will find it

You can then read through it and make up your own mind.
Irish Sports Council money/grants are only ear-marked for specific disadvantaged areas/projects
GPOs - are part employed by both clubs/GAA - to actually promote the games were nearly 1.25 million people live - this is you know like just to get young kids to play GAA spoorts! not to buy trips to La manga for Inter-county players. BTW if you look at "Dublin" Club GPOs many of them are hurlers/footballers from outside the county.
AIG money is spread very thinly over a vast need (5 codes) in the capitol to even try and maintain the current level of participation.

There is NO money available for capitol projects - like centres of excellence, decent county ground or supporting/improving club/county playing infrastructures.

Clubs have to break even - financially, none are supported by GAA or County board - exceptions are those specifically targetted by the Irish Sports council - who are in disadvantaged areas.

So called "Super clubs" like St Vincents, Na Fianna, Cuala, Ballyboden, Lucan, Kilmacud (too name a few examples) don't have "super" facilites, Na Fianna owns ONE pitch everything else is owned by schools, councils etc and the same applies to most clubs. Clubhouses have been built by the members for the members.

There would be more Ballyboden weekend fixtures than a lot of counties, this is done by volunteers - same as every other club in Ireland, no special grants, no special favours and no special thanks.

And then to think we have to answer to what is basically financial ignorance and sheer laziness."
arock..you have a history of being lazy, and biased on here so you havent much credibility

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/10/2016 20:46:58    1929320

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i dont know what article this is from and am posting it purely as a piece of information with no comment on it but just wondering what the view on this figure is, somewhat revealing in relation to certain counties

https://twitter.com/seanofiachra/status/791058625863290885

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/10/2016 20:48:57    1929321

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Replying To keithlemon:  "Very much so jimbo, I'm not from the Pale at all, merely working in it
Maybe it's because I'm talking common sense that the other posters have made that mistake"
praising your own posting is a bit much now isnt it?...what county are you from anyway lemon?

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/10/2016 20:50:30    1929323

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Dublin should get a reduction as the revenue streams now available to Dublin GAA through it's own actions have increased since the original proposal for funding, that was sought and secured by the Dublin CB.

Dublin being the largest population and by far the largest urban area in Ireland, will still receive more funding than any other county and rightly so, but a 20-30% reduction could now be sustained compared to 2005

I'd support that

But lads don't expect any miracles, it's not that much money and Dublin can simply plug it.

There are far greater problems at play that are completely out of the hands of the GAA

20-30% coming back into the pot will have little impact in benefiting weaker counties.

The focus purely on money and questioning the amateur ethos of such, when said money is benefiting the greater participation of amateur volunteers into the organisation is odd, money has to be spent in order for our amateur sport to exist in the first place. Growing participation will secure our amateur ethos, and that takes investment.

We are about to see our sports sold to RTE / Sky for €55,000,000!!

How exactly is that in anyway keeping with a supposed amateur ethos?

Posters who are talking about the "amateur ethos" have no trouble with their own counties spending millions it seems, well above many other counties and sure under the current structure that is happening right across the board. North, South, East and West.

Surely if things are to be truly equal, then you have to take ownership of your own advantages over other counties, all revenue streams have to be considered, all counties have a big part to play. Until that happens then this argument is null and void, as until equality applies to all equally, only then can we have a perfect system.

Good luck with that.

Many counties have advantages over other counties

Dublin just sits at the top of that current structure

Pointing the finger while enjoying your own advantages is a bit of a contradiction and makes the whole "equality" logic used in this argument seem very loose indeed.

It's probably impossible to ever have an equal GAA world, simply because it never has been anyway, and the entire landscape of this country has completely changed since the foundation of the GAA and it will continue to change in favour of urban areas.

That is down to socio-economic reasons way out of the control of the GAA

Sure let's see a 20-30% reduction, when that has zero impact at Inter County level

Once again.. then what?

Someone will always have a geographical advantage, one county will always have a greater population, one county will always have an advantage over another, just like it's always been."
i think the economic recession has only added to our natural advantages do you think jimbo?..if i was the gaa i wouldnt be looking to further add to it compared to other sectors in this country which have effectively decimated numerous counties in ireland

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/10/2016 20:56:51    1929325

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I think this highlights some of the problem here.

Counties compete with each other within the GAA but the GAA is also competing with other sports.

Would it be crazy for the FAI to be investing 17% of its development money in Dublin. I don't think it would be, this is what the GAA is competing with.

Given the growth of Dublin in population terms (particularly young population terms) I think the GAA would have been asleep at the wheel if it hadn't looked to get a better presence in the capital."
you are presenting your figures as fact whammo which is somewhat dangerous as there is lots of various figures out there...and gaa unlike soccer has never been dominated by us to such a degree

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/10/2016 20:58:38    1929326

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https://twitter.com/seanofiachra/status/791058625863290885

saw this figure on twitter would just be interested in finding out more about it..obviously comes from some newspaper..somewhat suprising not to see cork in 2nd

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/10/2016 21:00:03    1929328

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Replying To alano12:  "you are presenting your figures as fact whammo which is somewhat dangerous as there is lots of various figures out there...and gaa unlike soccer has never been dominated by us to such a degree"
I haven't read the article, I have checked his twitter page now. He's referencing the €1.46m figure again for Dublin, consistent with the amount in the Irish Times and the Independent. He describes that same figure as being 47% of development money. That just can't be right given the €1.6m given to the Leinster council.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 26/10/2016 22:51:27    1929364

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Replying To alano12:  "https://twitter.com/seanofiachra/status/791058625863290885

saw this figure on twitter would just be interested in finding out more about it..obviously comes from some newspaper..somewhat suprising not to see cork in 2nd"
Kingdomboy, a few lads on here owe you an apology based on them figures :)

Absolutely staggering....

Thanks for sharing that Alano

If they are accurate I can't see how anyone on here can try and justify them.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 26/10/2016 23:41:33    1929374

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