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Again though
For me, so much else has to be ignored by those making the most noise on this topic
We bring in by far the most, just taking the spring series alone... (and completely ignoring all the other positives)
That's brought in millions. TV rights, Ad sales, sponsorship. You have bidding wars amongst rival media companies upping the overall intake now too.
Millions have gone into the organisation which has then been distributed evenly off the back of the DCB's initiative in spear heading the Spring series.
Yet we never hear about this, year after year Dublin GAA brings in millions above almost every other county, by far and away the biggest money generating county, money which everyone befits from.
If we get more than the rest, well sorry but I don't feel one bit guilty lads
Zippo el Guilto
Because it's simple economics, we bring in more than we receive
Really you can say what you want
Nothing will change those facts. You expect Dubs to feel ashamed or something... ha-ha
No chance.
Get back to me when we take more than we give
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 21/10/2016 16:21:14
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All I can say jimbo is thank there are brave people like Ewan makenna that aren't afraid to highlight the shady underhanded deals going on between the GAA and the dubs.
He wants equality for all fair play to him.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 24/10/2016 18:32:17
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "All I can say jimbo is thank there are brave people like Ewan makenna that aren't afraid to highlight the shady underhanded deals going on between the GAA and the dubs.
He wants equality for all fair play to him." We've established that the figures he's using are misleading.
Dublin receive their funding directly.
Other counties get less directly, but then receive funding that's been set aside through their provincial council.
Dublin get about €1.5m out of the roughly €8.5m total budget.
There really isn't a lot to see there.
The €1m from Sports Ireland is out of a pot of roughly €2.7m invested by them in the GAA annually. Possibly a touch on the high side but again the full story of that funding is not being told.
Of course people on here are happy to only listen to what the want to here rather than the full story. That's their prerogative of course but it doesn't really make for a productive discussion.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 24/10/2016 19:36:58
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Replying To Whammo86: "We've established that the figures he's using are misleading.
Dublin receive their funding directly.
Other counties get less directly, but then receive funding that's been set aside through their provincial council.
Dublin get about €1.5m out of the roughly €8.5m total budget.
There really isn't a lot to see there.
The €1m from Sports Ireland is out of a pot of roughly €2.7m invested by them in the GAA annually. Possibly a touch on the high side but again the full story of that funding is not being told.
Of course people on here are happy to only listen to what the want to here rather than the full story. That's their prerogative of course but it doesn't really make for a productive discussion." in what way has it been established though because a fellow poster on here is hardly the most credible source either?
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 24/10/2016 19:51:38
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Replying To alano12: "in what way has it been established though because a fellow poster on here is hardly the most credible source either?" http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641
Link is the first result when you google GAA funding in Dublin.
The Indo has a similar article, although it has a different figure for the total paid. I think the discrepancy is that the Indo is only including funding within Ireland.
Anyway, the other Leinster counties for example receive their allocation through the €1.63m given to the Leinster council.
It's probably administratively easier to give the money straight to Dublin rather than go through the Leinster council.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 24/10/2016 20:16:38
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Replying To Whammo86: "http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641
Link is the first result when you google GAA funding in Dublin.
The Indo has a similar article, although it has a different figure for the total paid. I think the discrepancy is that the Indo is only including funding within Ireland.
Anyway, the other Leinster counties for example receive their allocation through the €1.63m given to the Leinster council.
It's probably administratively easier to give the money straight to Dublin rather than go through the Leinster council." i dont see how its that misleading...show me how much smaller counties are actually getting compared to us...on games development specifically..nothing to do with stadiums etc..yes or easier to give to us
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 24/10/2016 22:40:13
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Replying To Whammo86: "http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641
Link is the first result when you google GAA funding in Dublin.
The Indo has a similar article, although it has a different figure for the total paid. I think the discrepancy is that the Indo is only including funding within Ireland.
Anyway, the other Leinster counties for example receive their allocation through the €1.63m given to the Leinster council.
It's probably administratively easier to give the money straight to Dublin rather than go through the Leinster council." so what are the actual figures compared to the ones he reported or do you think your source should be more credible than mckenna because it suits your point of view?
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 24/10/2016 22:52:37
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Replying To alano12: "so what are the actual figures compared to the ones he reported or do you think your source should be more credible than mckenna because it suits your point of view?" The figures he reports are only the figures given directly to the individual counties. Dublin county board employ their development officers directly, whereas those working in other counties are employed by the Provincial council.
Many of the smaller counties (Leitrim, Longford, Monaghan, etc) received just €39,000, although GAA director general Páraic Duffy was quick to point out that this was not comparing like with like, highlighting the fact Dublin employs its own coaching and games administrators, while in all other counties they are employed by the province.
I am specifically talking only about development money here.
The Ewan McKenna article is behind a paywall, so admittedly I haven't read it, the balls.ie article is misleading in my own opinion based on the story being run by both the Irish Times and Independent.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 24/10/2016 23:11:24
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Replying To Whammo86: "The figures he reports are only the figures given directly to the individual counties. Dublin county board employ their development officers directly, whereas those working in other counties are employed by the Provincial council.
Many of the smaller counties (Leitrim, Longford, Monaghan, etc) received just €39,000, although GAA director general Páraic Duffy was quick to point out that this was not comparing like with like, highlighting the fact Dublin employs its own coaching and games administrators, while in all other counties they are employed by the province.
I am specifically talking only about development money here.
The Ewan McKenna article is behind a paywall, so admittedly I haven't read it, the balls.ie article is misleading in my own opinion based on the story being run by both the Irish Times and Independent." Whammo, if you read my posts on here from a few days ago you will see I discussed the Irish Times/Indo articles and I asked Jimbo, who like yourself are claiming the figures are misleading, to show me exactly how they were - how much is Dublin really getting compared to the rest.
As I said in a previous post if Dublin gets 1.46 million directly, and the other 11 counties are getting 1.63 million through the Leinster council it still shows a huge disparity in terms of fairness. Even if that is topped up by a few thousand directly from Croke Park. Given the likes of Meath and Kildare have very large numbers of registered GAA players, the amount Dublin is receiving seems all the more inequitable.
Now I've been basing some of my argument on Ewan McKenna's article and also by the research done by Shane Magnan.
To say you havn't even read McKenna's article is very surprising.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 25/10/2016 10:59:44
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Replying To TheHermit: "Whammo, if you read my posts on here from a few days ago you will see I discussed the Irish Times/Indo articles and I asked Jimbo, who like yourself are claiming the figures are misleading, to show me exactly how they were - how much is Dublin really getting compared to the rest.
As I said in a previous post if Dublin gets 1.46 million directly, and the other 11 counties are getting 1.63 million through the Leinster council it still shows a huge disparity in terms of fairness. Even if that is topped up by a few thousand directly from Croke Park. Given the likes of Meath and Kildare have very large numbers of registered GAA players, the amount Dublin is receiving seems all the more inequitable.
Now I've been basing some of my argument on Ewan McKenna's article and also by the research done by Shane Magnan.
To say you havn't even read McKenna's article is very surprising." I agree the hermit. Also why are the GAA delivering the money to counties in this way if they're not trying to hide something?
It looks very strange .
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 25/10/2016 12:18:51
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Replying To TheHermit: "Whammo, if you read my posts on here from a few days ago you will see I discussed the Irish Times/Indo articles and I asked Jimbo, who like yourself are claiming the figures are misleading, to show me exactly how they were - how much is Dublin really getting compared to the rest.
As I said in a previous post if Dublin gets 1.46 million directly, and the other 11 counties are getting 1.63 million through the Leinster council it still shows a huge disparity in terms of fairness. Even if that is topped up by a few thousand directly from Croke Park. Given the likes of Meath and Kildare have very large numbers of registered GAA players, the amount Dublin is receiving seems all the more inequitable.
Now I've been basing some of my argument on Ewan McKenna's article and also by the research done by Shane Magnan.
To say you havn't even read McKenna's article is very surprising." Sorry Hermit, I was getting the impression people hadn't moved on from the numbers in the OP.
I'm going to look more into the Shane Mangan research shortly, but from first glance he appears to also only be using the direct funding numbers.
1.46m of >3m total money distributed in Leinster doesn't really seem that disproportionate to me.
Dublin is about 54% of the population of Leinster and is receiving <47% of the share of development money from Croke Park.
Quick scan of the registered players it looks like Dublin is a little shy of 30% in Leinster, so yeah by that metric it's somewhat unfair.
My belief, and it genuinely isn't to support any personal agenda, is that while registered players is important, I'd probably place more weight on raw population numbers (specifically child population numbers). The money is being spent on development of young players, their number is more important than the number of registered players. Part of the function of development money is to grow registration numbers, I'd be surprised if Dublin's share doesn't increase. Surely that's a good thing to as it seems that the GAA wasn't having the share of the population in Dublin that it has elsewhere in the country.
Distribution of funding isn't an exact science though but for me the numbers do seem quite ball park.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 25/10/2016 13:06:08
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Replying To Whammo86: "Sorry Hermit, I was getting the impression people hadn't moved on from the numbers in the OP.
I'm going to look more into the Shane Mangan research shortly, but from first glance he appears to also only be using the direct funding numbers.
1.46m of >3m total money distributed in Leinster doesn't really seem that disproportionate to me.
Dublin is about 54% of the population of Leinster and is receiving <47% of the share of development money from Croke Park.
Quick scan of the registered players it looks like Dublin is a little shy of 30% in Leinster, so yeah by that metric it's somewhat unfair.
My belief, and it genuinely isn't to support any personal agenda, is that while registered players is important, I'd probably place more weight on raw population numbers (specifically child population numbers). The money is being spent on development of young players, their number is more important than the number of registered players. Part of the function of development money is to grow registration numbers, I'd be surprised if Dublin's share doesn't increase. Surely that's a good thing to as it seems that the GAA wasn't having the share of the population in Dublin that it has elsewhere in the country.
Distribution of funding isn't an exact science though but for me the numbers do seem quite ball park." Thanks for responding Whammo, for me one of the key things that seems to come out of all of this discussion, and it is something KYboy has already hinted at above, is that everyone seems to be in the dark about exactly how much funding is going to X,Y and Z.
I don't see why it needs to be so secretive, surely Croke Park should be able to show us that Dublin get's X amount in total for Development, it's paid in this way and in contrast Meath get Y amount, it's paid through this stream or that stream or a combination of the two etc etc.
I can't see any reason why this information is not clearly released in the public domain every year.
Jimbo and others arguments boils down essentially to this: that Dublin make more therefore Dublin should get more.
As I've said, I think that is completely against the ethos of the GAA. We are not a professional sport, it is one for all. All revenue coming in through match attendances/tv deals needs to be shared equally.
Dublin have also innumerable more sponsorship opportunities than most or possibly all other counties, all the more reason for a level playing field when it comes to every other sort of funding going.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 25/10/2016 14:27:57
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Replying To TheHermit: "Thanks for responding Whammo, for me one of the key things that seems to come out of all of this discussion, and it is something KYboy has already hinted at above, is that everyone seems to be in the dark about exactly how much funding is going to X,Y and Z.
I don't see why it needs to be so secretive, surely Croke Park should be able to show us that Dublin get's X amount in total for Development, it's paid in this way and in contrast Meath get Y amount, it's paid through this stream or that stream or a combination of the two etc etc.
I can't see any reason why this information is not clearly released in the public domain every year.
Jimbo and others arguments boils down essentially to this: that Dublin make more therefore Dublin should get more.
As I've said, I think that is completely against the ethos of the GAA. We are not a professional sport, it is one for all. All revenue coming in through match attendances/tv deals needs to be shared equally.
Dublin have also innumerable more sponsorship opportunities than most or possibly all other counties, all the more reason for a level playing field when it comes to every other sort of funding going." I was just reading on another website that Dublin started recieving this money in 2005 and not 2008 like I first tought.
And since 2005 Dublin have recieved 16 million in developement fund where every other county hasn't broke the 1 million mark in that time.
That is massive and goes to show that money can buy success .
Throw in to the pot that Dublin got a free centre of excellence worth 12 million and they don't have a county ground to maintain how are the rest of the country supposed to compete?
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 25/10/2016 15:17:57
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Replying To TheHermit: "Thanks for responding Whammo, for me one of the key things that seems to come out of all of this discussion, and it is something KYboy has already hinted at above, is that everyone seems to be in the dark about exactly how much funding is going to X,Y and Z.
I don't see why it needs to be so secretive, surely Croke Park should be able to show us that Dublin get's X amount in total for Development, it's paid in this way and in contrast Meath get Y amount, it's paid through this stream or that stream or a combination of the two etc etc.
I can't see any reason why this information is not clearly released in the public domain every year.
Jimbo and others arguments boils down essentially to this: that Dublin make more therefore Dublin should get more.
As I've said, I think that is completely against the ethos of the GAA. We are not a professional sport, it is one for all. All revenue coming in through match attendances/tv deals needs to be shared equally.
Dublin have also innumerable more sponsorship opportunities than most or possibly all other counties, all the more reason for a level playing field when it comes to every other sort of funding going." I'd agree the transparency of the GAA is lacking.
For instance I'm assuming Dublin don't benefit from the Leinster funding, that may not be true. I think if it was the case that they'd Leinster council funded coaching on top of what they were getting directly, there'd be a whole lot more to question.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 25/10/2016 16:34:51
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "I was just reading on another website that Dublin started recieving this money in 2005 and not 2008 like I first tought.
And since 2005 Dublin have recieved 16 million in developement fund where every other county hasn't broke the 1 million mark in that time.
That is massive and goes to show that money can buy success .
Throw in to the pot that Dublin got a free centre of excellence worth 12 million and they don't have a county ground to maintain how are the rest of the country supposed to compete?" Ah jasus lad you aren't still peddling this nonsense!
JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 25/10/2016 17:05:57
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Replying To JayP: "Ah jasus lad you aren't still peddling this nonsense!" You couldn't lend us a spare fiver??
Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 25/10/2016 19:18:20
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Replying To Whammo86: "The figures he reports are only the figures given directly to the individual counties. Dublin county board employ their development officers directly, whereas those working in other counties are employed by the Provincial council.
Many of the smaller counties (Leitrim, Longford, Monaghan, etc) received just €39,000, although GAA director general Páraic Duffy was quick to point out that this was not comparing like with like, highlighting the fact Dublin employs its own coaching and games administrators, while in all other counties they are employed by the province.
I am specifically talking only about development money here.
The Ewan McKenna article is behind a paywall, so admittedly I haven't read it, the balls.ie article is misleading in my own opinion based on the story being run by both the Irish Times and Independent." so if u havent read it how can you form an opinion on it?
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 25/10/2016 19:23:49
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Replying To Whammo86: "The figures he reports are only the figures given directly to the individual counties. Dublin county board employ their development officers directly, whereas those working in other counties are employed by the Provincial council.
Many of the smaller counties (Leitrim, Longford, Monaghan, etc) received just €39,000, although GAA director general Páraic Duffy was quick to point out that this was not comparing like with like, highlighting the fact Dublin employs its own coaching and games administrators, while in all other counties they are employed by the province.
I am specifically talking only about development money here.
The Ewan McKenna article is behind a paywall, so admittedly I haven't read it, the balls.ie article is misleading in my own opinion based on the story being run by both the Irish Times and Independent." and many criticize the likes of duffy and call into question his credibility when it comes to sky yet it hardly suits him and show how much they have been given us compared to the rest no?
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 25/10/2016 19:24:47
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Replying To Whammo86: "I'd agree the transparency of the GAA is lacking.
For instance I'm assuming Dublin don't benefit from the Leinster funding, that may not be true. I think if it was the case that they'd Leinster council funded coaching on top of what they were getting directly, there'd be a whole lot more to question." well we are treated like an extra province so i presume we arent but you never know really
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 25/10/2016 19:26:07
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Replying To TheHermit: "Thanks for responding Whammo, for me one of the key things that seems to come out of all of this discussion, and it is something KYboy has already hinted at above, is that everyone seems to be in the dark about exactly how much funding is going to X,Y and Z.
I don't see why it needs to be so secretive, surely Croke Park should be able to show us that Dublin get's X amount in total for Development, it's paid in this way and in contrast Meath get Y amount, it's paid through this stream or that stream or a combination of the two etc etc.
I can't see any reason why this information is not clearly released in the public domain every year.
Jimbo and others arguments boils down essentially to this: that Dublin make more therefore Dublin should get more.
As I've said, I think that is completely against the ethos of the GAA. We are not a professional sport, it is one for all. All revenue coming in through match attendances/tv deals needs to be shared equally.
Dublin have also innumerable more sponsorship opportunities than most or possibly all other counties, all the more reason for a level playing field when it comes to every other sort of funding going." the likes of mayo and donegal also make plenty for the gaa..it has 0 to do with what happens...we arent exactly selling out croke park every game
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 25/10/2016 19:26:53
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