Jimbo I saw the article from the Times he posted up, I believe this is the relevant paragraph:

'Around 18 per cent of that revenue (€9.5 million) goes back to games development at provincial and county level, which is where Dublin's €1.46 million jumped out.

Many of the smaller counties (Leitrim, Longford, Monaghan, etc) received just €39,000, although GAA director general Páraic Duffy was quick to point out that this was not comparing like with like, highlighting the fact Dublin employs its own coaching and games administrators, while in all other counties they are employed by the province.

Other counties in Leinster, for example, would have their games development paid from the province allocation of €1.63 million; yet Duffy agreed there was still something of a discrepancy.'

So Dublin are getting 1.46 million and the other 11 counties in Leinster make do with the €1.63 million from the Leinster Council, at best each get 148,000 odd. So Dublin are still effectively getting ten times their counterparts. Well if its 10x m,ore rather than 14x more fair enough but it is still a massive and unfair discrepancy.

That information does nothing to fundamentally change the arguments the rest of us have been making this whole time.

But look I'll leave it to others to decide which of us is right or wrong.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 21/10/2016 10:36:16    1928093

The numbers in the article you are quoting from does not give the full picture to how games development funding is awarded

It gives a very narrow description of one aspect of games development funding, and makes no mention of the other streams of funding that are available to other counties

Whish of course looks bad. That's because it's not telling the whole story

To directly quite those figures is not coming close to telling the whole story about how games development funding is rewarded to all counties

Dublin will always receive more due to it's population, but moving forward a future reduction should be put in place, to further address the issues of rural migration seen around the country. This is why you are seeing the latest direction the GAA are taking by further increasing funding to several Eastern counties.

This will be the biggest issue the GAA will face in the coming decades, young rural people leaving their counties, moving to large urban areas, or to boarder counties around Dublin

The GAA matches the Irish socio-economic landscape and because Ireland now faces unprecedented challenges, you are going to see impacts of such on the GAA.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 21/10/2016 11:09:20    1928107

So Dublin are getting 1.46 million and the other 11 counties in Leinster make do with the €1.63 million from the Leinster Council, at best each get 148,000 odd.

That can't be right. Something is off here.

Using wikipedia as a data source.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_population_analysis#County_populations_2016

Population of Dublin = 1.35 Million.
Population of the rest of Leinster = 1.28 Million.

So, per capita, Dublin appear get less in Games Development Funding BUT also have the added burden of having to employ their own coaching and admin staff, when everyone else in Leinster has these provided free of charge.

That can't be right, can it?

Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 21/10/2016 11:55:16    1928120

Thehermit

Also important to note that a lot of that games development is being spent on hurling in Dublin at grass root level

It's not being pumped solely into various Dublin Inter county football panels

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 21/10/2016 12:08:10    1928125

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 21/10/2016 12:27:02    1928130

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 21/10/2016 12:32:29    1928134

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 21/10/2016 12:54:02    1928140

I was under the impression that games development funding was at least in part designed to improve penetration of native games within the population at large. Given that Dublin has a disproportionately lower number of registered players per capita, doesn't that imply that this is where funding is needed the most?

Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 21/10/2016 13:25:12    1928145

Listen lads

We can argue this all year

Should Dublin now be receiving less = Yes.

Are the GAA currently looking into this = Yes.

Are the GAA now giving increased funding to several Easter counties now = Yes.

Is the article that spawned this thread accurate = No.

Should Dublin always receive a higher % of game development funding based on population = Yes.

All the best

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 21/10/2016 13:28:06    1928148

HurlingWarrior (Limerick) - Posts: 61 - 21/10/2016 14:23:08    1928164

HurlingWarrior (Limerick) - Posts: 61 - 21/10/2016 14:29:29    1928165

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 21/10/2016 14:36:29    1928170

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 21/10/2016 15:05:38    1928176

Why is it only important to Dublin receive this preferential treatment . Contrary to what you may believe Dublin isn't the only big urban area in Ireland.

Belfast, Cork, Galway and Limerick are receiving a pittance in comparison as the figures show, what makes Dublin kids so special that they must receive 10-15 times more than a kid the urban areas I listed?

It's no wonder attendances are plummeting when 1 team is hoovering up the whole pie, people will just shrug their shoulders and find something else to do.

To whom are you asking these questions?

Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 21/10/2016 15:13:01    1928177

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 21/10/2016 15:14:33    1928178

Just away from the Dublin debate, but in relation to the new centre of excellence that opened in Dunsilly in Co. Antrim last week, where did the money for that come from? Was that from HQ, fund raising or from the UK government?

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 21/10/2016 15:19:03    1928179

Lads

What would you like to see happen

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 21/10/2016 15:20:41    1928181

"To put that into context:

Dublin with 39, 197 registered players gets 1.46 million to spend

Meath with 15,382 registered players gets (assuming the 1.63 million given to Leinster is divided equally among the other 11 counties) - €148,181"

So you believe that Development Funding's sole purpose is to advance the skillset of currently registered players? Not also, to promote our native games to encompass a wider audience? An interesting point of view, I'll give you that.

The odd part is the next sentence, where the population or number of registered players becomes irrelevant, and now everything is divided up equally.

Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 21/10/2016 15:26:13    1928182

On the Leinster question:

Leinster has been poor for a long time

Even when Dublin were getting hammered out the gate and couldn't beat a team outside of Leinster in the 00's

Sure Dublin won what was it.. 4 in a row under Caffrey

A slightly above average Dublin team dominated, so now with the greatest Dublin team ever, what did ye expect would happen.

Various Leinster teams have been successful at underage but cant bring that into the senior level

Kildare mind have lost 5 top players to the AFL, so that hasn't helped their progress

Although Kildare were very unlucky in 2011, Dublin winning by a point

Kildare have done some impressive things at underage in Leinster

Losing players to the AFL of course wont help, but there is something else going on there within their own structures

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 21/10/2016 15:36:54    1928187

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 21/10/2016 16:09:11    1928196