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Replying To alano12: "i dont know if its just me but the kerry boys back us up a lot...i think its cause we are the status quo" Kerry have their eye on AIF v Dublin in 2017. TOS or Dara hasn't had a bad word to say about Dublin GAA for a while now. Don't expect that to change for another while yet. Beware the Kerry man who is slapping your back.
Weary (None) - Posts: 249 - 17/10/2016 12:17:48
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Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 17/10/2016 14:56:12
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Replying To Weary: "Kerry have their eye on AIF v Dublin in 2017. TOS or Dara hasn't had a bad word to say about Dublin GAA for a while now. Don't expect that to change for another while yet. Beware the Kerry man who is slapping your back." What I can't understand about Tomas o'sé's article is that he has no evidence to back up his claim that long term financial investment in to Dublin won't have a long lasting effect over all.
He just says suck it up and get on with it. Of course that's easy for a man who has his 5 allireland medals in his back pocket but what about all the other young lads in the country who have to come up against the super financed dubs in the future?
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 18/10/2016 12:59:51
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "What I can't understand about Tomas o'sé's article is that he has no evidence to back up his claim that long term financial investment in to Dublin won't have a long lasting effect over all.
He just says suck it up and get on with it. Of course that's easy for a man who has his 5 allireland medals in his back pocket but what about all the other young lads in the country who have to come up against the super financed dubs in the future?" Won't somebody please think of the children!
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 18/10/2016 13:51:21
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Funny that a completely inaccurate online article that has since been discredited spawned this thread
Even the first line from the OP is
"This in unreal if these figures are true"
They aren't true. End of.
Dublin do get more development funding, Dublin will always get more due to population size, but there are other streams of funding being made available to other counties, that simply weren't mentioned in the article, thus making the findings contained in such to be completely bloated and inaccurate as it only focused on one single stream of funding. That is not how you should come to balanced and well researched conclusion and then actually have the neck to publish it.
For me, it's was intentionally ignorant and the timing of such is all too obvious. It was there to get hits and it did, and it was quoted from and used as gospel, and it was hovered up by those that wanted it to be true, so they could start shouting!
Now should Dublin perhaps get a reduction in games development funding, yes, I think they should, reduce it by 20-30% and spread it out more
Dublin have the finances to fill and that's where Dublin's REAL natural advantage is greater
This is the area that I feel the GAA will look at right across the board in the coming years
Perhaps a spending cap on senior teams needs to be introduced - that still won't make things 100% fair because some counties may still not be able to spend up to max limit, where others will be able to do so, so an advantage will always exist but things will be closer in terms of expenditure on senior teams.
Now that's just a financial side of things, you can spend a fortune on a panel of players and still not win anything (Dublin had a lot of money spent on them between 1996-2010, millions in fact, and were embarrassed and hammered while playing "at home" in Croke Park)
Why? Because teams were better than them, they had better players and despite Dublin's financial advantage, they lost, time and time and time again, because they simply did not have the players.
Millions have been spent on Kerry, Cork, Mayo etc. etc. since 2010
Fact is... it's players that win big games, that and a bit of luck at times
Dublin just have better players at present, not many more mind, but that's where the main advantage lies at present
The evidence is there to suggest that these things wont last forever
It's been a while since Dublin won an underage title and in 2016 - Kildare could have just as easily won both minor & U21
They would have done without Dublin's Con O'Callaghan carrying the team at U21 level
This Dublin team still have a few season no doubt, but after that.. the 2020's could prove to be very difficult as the evidence is currently not there to suggest that Dublin will continue to have the players to narrowly beat our nearest and dearest rivals.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 18/10/2016 14:09:15
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Replying To Whammo86: "Won't somebody please think of the children!" I wonder were they thinking of the Children when they won their 4 titles in the 00's making 6 finals on the trot
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jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 18/10/2016 14:10:27
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I see Jason Sherlock says the Dublin backroom staff don't get paid for their services .
Well that's a load of bull, as Bernard dunne gets 40,000 a year as a wellness coach. So if he's getting paid then you can be pretty sure the rest of them are too.
Nice to see the GAA development money is being well spent in Dublin eh!
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 20/10/2016 14:46:50
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "I see Jason Sherlock says the Dublin backroom staff don't get paid for their services .
Well that's a load of bull, as Bernard dunne gets 40,000 a year as a wellness coach. So if he's getting paid then you can be pretty sure the rest of them are too.
Nice to see the GAA development money is being well spent in Dublin eh!" Interesting also that the attendance records for the 2016 Championship released today show another significant drop as well KYboy.
Down to an average of 13,000 from over 20,000 nine years ago.
Funny how at a time when Kerry were contesting 6 All Ireland's the over attendances were over the one million mark but now they have declined to 733,000.
Dublin's dominance in Leinster is cited as a key reason for the sharp decline in Championship attendance figures these past 5 years.
Surely Croke Park funding can't be a factor in this because surely those in charge up there would realise that pumping money into one county to the detriment of the rest might end up killing your sporting product in the long run...
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 20/10/2016 16:11:40
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "I see Jason Sherlock says the Dublin backroom staff don't get paid for their services .
Well that's a load of bull, as Bernard dunne gets 40,000 a year as a wellness coach. So if he's getting paid then you can be pretty sure the rest of them are too.
Nice to see the GAA development money is being well spent in Dublin eh!" Not surprised to see these sort of ill thought out accusations coming from the likes of Kingdomboy and backed up by thehermit
Just two of the prominent Kerry posters that were quoting from a purely BS article that spawned this thread as if it was gospel truth. Demanding explanations to an article that had no bases in fact.
That's the sort of level these two operate at.
You might as well keep up the silliness and bumping this thread with your utterly groundless tosh
It only goes to prove what I and a number of posters have said from the start
So now it's games development funding paying for Dublin back room team members... ??
Just like the article that spawned this silly thread. Utterly groundless, ill thought out self serving rubbish, but that's the level that some need to operate to make themselves feel better
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 20/10/2016 16:42:48
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Anyone complaining about Dublin's backroom is missing the point. Most teams are paying people and I'd doubt Dublin are top of the table in terms of paying people. Gavin, Darcy, Deegan, Sherlock are likely doing it for free. Plus Dublin have a fine income from sponsorship so they can support these expenses easily. To be honest if Bernard Dunne is getting 40k as a wellness coach then it is a bit of a waste of money. Is that meant like a shrink or something? Its no harm bringing in a sport psychologist for a few sessions but having him there front and centre on the sideline on matchday seems odd. Also if 'wellness' means a shrink then is Dunne qualified?
Anyway the problem is the development money which is not Dublin's money but was granted excessively to them by Central council & Sports Ireland. Dublin spend their own money on the backroom team etc and are welcome to do that.
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 20/10/2016 16:52:12
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Replying To realman2: "Anyone complaining about Dublin's backroom is missing the point. Most teams are paying people and I'd doubt Dublin are top of the table in terms of paying people. Gavin, Darcy, Deegan, Sherlock are likely doing it for free. Plus Dublin have a fine income from sponsorship so they can support these expenses easily. To be honest if Bernard Dunne is getting 40k as a wellness coach then it is a bit of a waste of money. Is that meant like a shrink or something? Its no harm bringing in a sport psychologist for a few sessions but having him there front and centre on the sideline on matchday seems odd. Also if 'wellness' means a shrink then is Dunne qualified?
Anyway the problem is the development money which is not Dublin's money but was granted excessively to them by Central council & Sports Ireland. Dublin spend their own money on the backroom team etc and are welcome to do that." Fair play relaman2
That's post 415 talking about Dublin
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 20/10/2016 16:59:51
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Replying To jimbodub: "Fair play relaman2
That's post 415 talking about Dublin" 415 well written, well judged and well informed posts ;)
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 20/10/2016 17:08:07
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Replying To realman2: "415 well written, well judged and well informed posts ;)" I'm glad you put in the ;)
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 20/10/2016 17:27:29
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Best to ignore the ignorant begrudgery of a couple of sour aul backslappers folks.
You get a sense of just how desperate they are to kiss one another's arses on here at every opportunity.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 20/10/2016 17:55:07
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Replying To realman2: "Anyone complaining about Dublin's backroom is missing the point. Most teams are paying people and I'd doubt Dublin are top of the table in terms of paying people. Gavin, Darcy, Deegan, Sherlock are likely doing it for free. Plus Dublin have a fine income from sponsorship so they can support these expenses easily. To be honest if Bernard Dunne is getting 40k as a wellness coach then it is a bit of a waste of money. Is that meant like a shrink or something? Its no harm bringing in a sport psychologist for a few sessions but having him there front and centre on the sideline on matchday seems odd. Also if 'wellness' means a shrink then is Dunne qualified?
Anyway the problem is the development money which is not Dublin's money but was granted excessively to them by Central council & Sports Ireland. Dublin spend their own money on the backroom team etc and are welcome to do that." doing it for free?...im a dublin man and there is no way they are doing it for free well certainly gavin anyway nor would i expect him to..consider how much club managers all over the country are getting paid never mind the manager of the best team in the land
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/10/2016 17:58:13
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Replying To jimbodub: "Not surprised to see these sort of ill thought out accusations coming from the likes of Kingdomboy and backed up by thehermit
Just two of the prominent Kerry posters that were quoting from a purely BS article that spawned this thread as if it was gospel truth. Demanding explanations to an article that had no bases in fact.
That's the sort of level these two operate at.
You might as well keep up the silliness and bumping this thread with your utterly groundless tosh
It only goes to prove what I and a number of posters have said from the start
So now it's games development funding paying for Dublin back room team members... ??
Just like the article that spawned this silly thread. Utterly groundless, ill thought out self serving rubbish, but that's the level that some need to operate to make themselves feel better" I've seen this argument from you now over the last few days about how the figures quoted about Development Funding per county are 'BS' as you call it.
Can you give me and every one else an explanation as to why that is?
I've seen you state that other counties benefit from funding for development programmes through other means, such as their provincial councils etc. Can you show to what degree that is the case. How much money is every county getting outside of Croke Park's development funding?
You argument over the past few days is the figure of Dublin getting €277 per player versus the rest is misleading, well show how it is. How much is every other county actually getting?
You seem to be implying that the gap of Dublin getting 14-15x the rest is actually far smaller, well give me the figures, I'd like to see them. You surely must have them to be so strong and vehement in your argument.
However I think that in reality your watching a little too much of Mr Trump over in America, calling things 'BS' and saying their discredited without posting up any information to support this.
And yes my friend Dublin being able to spend millions on Development Funding over the past decade while their fellow counties in Leinster are getting peanuts is a factor in Dublin's dominance in that province. And its impact on supporters turning up to watch the Leinster championship, as today's figures show, is having serious repercussions on the GAA's popularity and I consequently its main revenue source.
You seem to be the only person who can not see or understand that.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 20/10/2016 18:03:06
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id imagine we are using our own money to pay for the management as we are completely entitled to do so...development money is not being used for this and is a needless dig
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/10/2016 18:04:22
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Replying To jimbodub: "Not surprised to see these sort of ill thought out accusations coming from the likes of Kingdomboy and backed up by thehermit
Just two of the prominent Kerry posters that were quoting from a purely BS article that spawned this thread as if it was gospel truth. Demanding explanations to an article that had no bases in fact.
That's the sort of level these two operate at.
You might as well keep up the silliness and bumping this thread with your utterly groundless tosh
It only goes to prove what I and a number of posters have said from the start
So now it's games development funding paying for Dublin back room team members... ??
Just like the article that spawned this silly thread. Utterly groundless, ill thought out self serving rubbish, but that's the level that some need to operate to make themselves feel better" P.S. Jimbo, KYboy is trying to get a rise out of you.
My point on attendance is pretty relevant to the over all issue, given that this Development funding has helped make Dublin so strong that its provincial rivals cannot match them - hence the sharp decline in attendances since 2010.
But hey for a fella like you its far easier to insult someone rather than engage with the point they make isn't it.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 20/10/2016 18:08:44
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Attendances are down almost across the board
Munster hurling was down this year
No doubting Dublin's dominance of Leinster has affected numbers but in general numbers are down across the board at present,
As I've stated thehermit
I do think the current level of games development should be reduced
It is good to see the GAA now investing in several Eastern counties and the GAA are currently reviewing the previous games development strategy in Dublin
But again, if you are basing your opinion on that article, then I'm sorry but you don't have an argument and the figures you are quoting aren't accurate, as other streams of games development funding were in being received by other counties, that would reduce the numbers stated in the article.
They simply aren't accurate and bearing in mind that Dublin having by far the largest population should always be getting more funding
Again maybe you missed whammo's input
If that's the case then I retract my previous comments as I thought you were just ignoring blaring evidence that clearly shows the article in question to be poorly researched and the conclusions to be very misleading in terms o the % of development funding going to other couties
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 21/10/2016 09:57:06
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Whammo:
So did a small amount more research on this.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641
Reading through this seems to suggest a different tale than we're getting told.
Dublin receive 1.46m out of 9.5m. Counties that are getting quoted as only receiving 10s of thousands in development money directly from central council are also getting development officers paid for them by their provincial councils.
So really the balls.ie article included in the OP is a crock of sh1t.
http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-dominates-central-councils-games-development-budget-30965882.html
The indo's numbers are a little different but the story is the same, individual counties get less centrally but are still receiving money from their provincial councils.
Dublin's share doesn't seem extortionate at all.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 21/10/2016 10:21:39
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