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Everyone whining about Dublin should read Tomas O'Sehttp://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-the-counties-whining-about-dublins-advantages-are-missing-the-point-entirely-35132361.html?campaign_id=A100

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 15/10/2016 14:07:07    1926453

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http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-the-counties-whining-about-dublins-advantages-are-missing-the-point-entirely-35132361.html

O Sé article is worth a read

Aido69 (Dublin) - Posts: 381 - 15/10/2016 14:21:59    1926455

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Lemon

No one is opposed to Dublin getting development funds lemon, it's the extortionate amount they have received for over 10 years is what is galling to neutrals

AHP
I never claimed money was the only factor in the success, only that was an extremely important component be it amateur or professional sport (Just look at how far Munster + Leinster have fallen in the European Rugby since the enormous TV deals have come in France and England as another example)

GreenandRed

You are putting words in my mouth, I never even hinted at giving up, I have never been involved personally at a county setup so the club setup is more important to me. However, I'm very much aware the IC scene acts as a marketing and recruiting tool to attract young kids to play and if fair play isn't brought about soon, apathy in the game will grow further and further and I don't want that to happen

HurlingWarrior (Limerick) - Posts: 61 - 15/10/2016 14:25:57    1926456

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Replying To Aido69:  "http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-the-counties-whining-about-dublins-advantages-are-missing-the-point-entirely-35132361.html

O Sé article is worth a read"
Don't expect the ignorant around here to try and read it.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 15/10/2016 14:54:20    1926461

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O'se is living in lala land. He seems to think Dublin is on his last legs. MDMA is a once in a generation player according to him...sure Fenton is only 23 and is far better than him. Brogan the same according to his article, sure Costello &o'callaghan will plug that gap. O'sullivan; the same he says. Ehhhh, has he not heard of john small, mccaffrey, Davy Byrne, lowndes. Cluxton is a big loss fair enough when he goes but his article makes no sense other than that.

As for o'se telling tales about paidi getting money for steaks and comparing it to the money flowing through Dublin GAA at development level ...spare me the auld folksy nonsense

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 15/10/2016 16:01:58    1926467

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Replying To HurlingWarrior:  "Lemon

No one is opposed to Dublin getting development funds lemon, it's the extortionate amount they have received for over 10 years is what is galling to neutrals

AHP
I never claimed money was the only factor in the success, only that was an extremely important component be it amateur or professional sport (Just look at how far Munster + Leinster have fallen in the European Rugby since the enormous TV deals have come in France and England as another example)

GreenandRed

You are putting words in my mouth, I never even hinted at giving up, I have never been involved personally at a county setup so the club setup is more important to me. However, I'm very much aware the IC scene acts as a marketing and recruiting tool to attract young kids to play and if fair play isn't brought about soon, apathy in the game will grow further and further and I don't want that to happen"
I agree with you. Also kids will be inclined to favour soccer and rugby over gaelic games if they don't see their county getting a sporting chance. We shouldn't give up in the meantime.

I don't know how as supporters we can make a change to get money shared out more equitably. Pushing for a motion at congress, petitioning GPA officials for change, maybe a player's strike? I don't even know where you'd start.

I think that money shouldn't be just allocated based on population. More resources should be made available to so-called weaker counties. This is even less likely as the GAA seem keen to have a two-tiered championship making the strong stronger and the weak weaker.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7352 - 15/10/2016 16:12:07    1926468

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "
Replying To HurlingWarrior:  "Lemon

No one is opposed to Dublin getting development funds lemon, it's the extortionate amount they have received for over 10 years is what is galling to neutrals

AHP
I never claimed money was the only factor in the success, only that was an extremely important component be it amateur or professional sport (Just look at how far Munster + Leinster have fallen in the European Rugby since the enormous TV deals have come in France and England as another example)

GreenandRed

You are putting words in my mouth, I never even hinted at giving up, I have never been involved personally at a county setup so the club setup is more important to me. However, I'm very much aware the IC scene acts as a marketing and recruiting tool to attract young kids to play and if fair play isn't brought about soon, apathy in the game will grow further and further and I don't want that to happen"
I agree with you. Also kids will be inclined to favour soccer and rugby over gaelic games if they don't see their county getting a sporting chance. We shouldn't give up in the meantime.

I don't know how as supporters we can make a change to get money shared out more equitably. Pushing for a motion at congress, petitioning GPA officials for change, maybe a player's strike? I don't even know where you'd start.

I think that money shouldn't be just allocated based on population. More resources should be made available to so-called weaker counties. This is even less likely as the GAA seem keen to have a two-tiered championship making the strong stronger and the weak weaker."
Perhaps the scores of millions could be better spent to address your above points. That's my opinion on it anyway

I don't see how a stadium in Cork is going to help the points you've outlined, a stadium sucking in 40 million of funds that could be making a real difference

Have a read of the articles I've posted if you haven't already done so. It's quite a damning assessment on the current levels of investment

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 15/10/2016 17:26:32    1926481

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Sorry wrong thread

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 15/10/2016 17:44:39    1926486

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Replying To realman2:  "O'se is living in lala land. He seems to think Dublin is on his last legs. MDMA is a once in a generation player according to him...sure Fenton is only 23 and is far better than him. Brogan the same according to his article, sure Costello &o'callaghan will plug that gap. O'sullivan; the same he says. Ehhhh, has he not heard of john small, mccaffrey, Davy Byrne, lowndes. Cluxton is a big loss fair enough when he goes but his article makes no sense other than that.

As for o'se telling tales about paidi getting money for steaks and comparing it to the money flowing through Dublin GAA at development level ...spare me the auld folksy nonsense"
Agree with you points, but then again we are simply too ignorant to understand the gospel according to O Se

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2149 - 15/10/2016 17:49:56    1926488

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "
Replying To HurlingWarrior:  "GnR

You are totally missing the point

It's not possible to translate Dublin's methods for success as they have a number of key factors which nobody else comes close to in scale

I mean you don't see Ireland near the top of the medal table at the Olympics alongside the USA or Team GB, do you?

Indeed, Team GB's resurgence has been greatly aided by enormous investment in certain sports while those that haven't received much funding has garnered a lot less/no medals

link
In particular the British indoor cycling team blows the myth that substantial funding in relation to its competitors over a long period of time doesn't make a massive difference out of the water ''It's a brutal regime, but it's as crude as it is effective''"
So we should all lie down and give up and let the Dubs keep on winning cos they've more money? Just to be clear that's what you're saying?

Should the Ireland Olympics budget be similar to countries with about 20 and 80 times our population? Should we stop going to Olympic games because other countries have better resources.

Should Stephen Kenny tell his Dundalk team to stay at home this week because Zenith are building a billion euro stadium ?

I think not. I think that many will rise to an even greater challenge.

Tomás O'Sé in this morning's Indo -

your" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-the-counties-whining-about-dublins-advantages-are-missing-the-point-entirely-35132361.html"
your ignoring how many of the advantages we enjoy compared to any other sport..the sheer amount of home games for instance is a help..not huge but hardly ideal now is it..population...amateur sport..you are being overly simplistic in belittling those simply having a grievance over how the gaa has largely ignored a lot of the weaker counties..its a forum..people are here to talk/argue like it or not

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 15/10/2016 19:00:29    1926502

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Replying To keithlemon:  "
Replying To HurlingWarrior:  "GnR

You are totally missing the point

It's not possible to translate Dublin's methods for success as they have a number of key factors which nobody else comes close to in scale

I mean you don't see Ireland near the top of the medal table at the Olympics alongside the USA or Team GB, do you?

Indeed, Team GB's resurgence has been greatly aided by enormous investment in certain sports while those that haven't received much funding has garnered a lot less/no medals

link
In particular the British indoor cycling team blows the myth that substantial funding in relation to its competitors over a long period of time doesn't make a massive difference out of the water ''It's a brutal regime, but it's as crude as it is effective''"
Was there always this inequality HurlingWarrior or did this only happen when Dublin started receiving these development funds?"
certain counties have always had huge advantages due to population..most notably us and cork...i think the bigger counties have pulled miles clear of the rest for the most part in the last few years though between funding and everything else..gaa has exploded in dublin in the last 10 years so we are making the most of our advantages more than ever before..look at the dominance by our club sides even...i wonder has a recession helped?..id imagine it has to some degree

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 15/10/2016 19:03:14    1926505

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Replying To alano12:  "
Replying To GreenandRed:  "[quote=HurlingWarrior:  "GnR

You are totally missing the point

It's not possible to translate Dublin's methods for success as they have a number of key factors which nobody else comes close to in scale

I mean you don't see Ireland near the top of the medal table at the Olympics alongside the USA or Team GB, do you?

Indeed, Team GB's resurgence has been greatly aided by enormous investment in certain sports while those that haven't received much funding has garnered a lot less/no medals

link
In particular the British indoor cycling team blows the myth that substantial funding in relation to its competitors over a long period of time doesn't make a massive difference out of the water ''It's a brutal regime, but it's as crude as it is effective''"
So we should all lie down and give up and let the Dubs keep on winning cos they've more money? Just to be clear that's what you're saying?

Should the Ireland Olympics budget be similar to countries with about 20 and 80 times our population? Should we stop going to Olympic games because other countries have better resources.

Should Stephen Kenny tell his Dundalk team to stay at home this week because Zenith are building a billion euro stadium ?

I think not. I think that many will rise to an even greater challenge.

Tomás O'Sé in this morning's Indo -

your" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-the-counties-whining-about-dublins-advantages-are-missing-the-point-entirely-35132361.html"
your ignoring how many of the advantages we enjoy compared to any other sport..the sheer amount of home games for instance is a help..not huge but hardly ideal now is it..population...amateur sport..you are being overly simplistic in belittling those simply having a grievance over how the gaa has largely ignored a lot of the weaker counties..its a forum..people are here to talk/argue like it or not"]Who have I belittled and how did I belittle them?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7352 - 15/10/2016 20:45:17    1926532

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "
Replying To alano12:  "[quote=GreenandRed:  "[quote=HurlingWarrior:  "GnR

You are totally missing the point

It's not possible to translate Dublin's methods for success as they have a number of key factors which nobody else comes close to in scale

I mean you don't see Ireland near the top of the medal table at the Olympics alongside the USA or Team GB, do you?

Indeed, Team GB's resurgence has been greatly aided by enormous investment in certain sports while those that haven't received much funding has garnered a lot less/no medals

link
In particular the British indoor cycling team blows the myth that substantial funding in relation to its competitors over a long period of time doesn't make a massive difference out of the water ''It's a brutal regime, but it's as crude as it is effective''"
So we should all lie down and give up and let the Dubs keep on winning cos they've more money? Just to be clear that's what you're saying?

Should the Ireland Olympics budget be similar to countries with about 20 and 80 times our population? Should we stop going to Olympic games because other countries have better resources.

Should Stephen Kenny tell his Dundalk team to stay at home this week because Zenith are building a billion euro stadium ?

I think not. I think that many will rise to an even greater challenge.

Tomás O'Sé in this morning's Indo -

your" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-the-counties-whining-about-dublins-advantages-are-missing-the-point-entirely-35132361.html"
your ignoring how many of the advantages we enjoy compared to any other sport..the sheer amount of home games for instance is a help..not huge but hardly ideal now is it..population...amateur sport..you are being overly simplistic in belittling those simply having a grievance over how the gaa has largely ignored a lot of the weaker counties..its a forum..people are here to talk/argue like it or not"]Who have I belittled and how did I belittle them?"]you are making simplistic points using cliches such as being 'proactive' and replicating things elsewhere when its far more complicated than that and there isnt anything the majority of people can do about that unless the gaa changes their approach drastically which is unlikely....people from smaller counties more so than the corks kerrys etc are allowed to have a legitimate grievance with the gaa over how they have been ignored and completely left behind...with all the challenges smaller counties face its a lot more complex then being 'proactive'...speaking as somebody with a lot of family in a smaller county that makes the most of themselves you are making out as if people are not trying their best to make the most of themselves...the gaa needs to change things or else there isnt a damn thing people will do about it and the inequality will only grow worse with the amount of sponsorship the likes of cork, dublin, kerry, mayo etc are able to raise

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 15/10/2016 21:12:43    1926541

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "
Replying To alano12:  "[quote=GreenandRed:  "[quote=HurlingWarrior:  "GnR

You are totally missing the point

It's not possible to translate Dublin's methods for success as they have a number of key factors which nobody else comes close to in scale

I mean you don't see Ireland near the top of the medal table at the Olympics alongside the USA or Team GB, do you?

Indeed, Team GB's resurgence has been greatly aided by enormous investment in certain sports while those that haven't received much funding has garnered a lot less/no medals

link
In particular the British indoor cycling team blows the myth that substantial funding in relation to its competitors over a long period of time doesn't make a massive difference out of the water ''It's a brutal regime, but it's as crude as it is effective''"
So we should all lie down and give up and let the Dubs keep on winning cos they've more money? Just to be clear that's what you're saying?

Should the Ireland Olympics budget be similar to countries with about 20 and 80 times our population? Should we stop going to Olympic games because other countries have better resources.

Should Stephen Kenny tell his Dundalk team to stay at home this week because Zenith are building a billion euro stadium ?

I think not. I think that many will rise to an even greater challenge.

Tomás O'Sé in this morning's Indo -

your" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-the-counties-whining-about-dublins-advantages-are-missing-the-point-entirely-35132361.html"
your ignoring how many of the advantages we enjoy compared to any other sport..the sheer amount of home games for instance is a help..not huge but hardly ideal now is it..population...amateur sport..you are being overly simplistic in belittling those simply having a grievance over how the gaa has largely ignored a lot of the weaker counties..its a forum..people are here to talk/argue like it or not"]Who have I belittled and how did I belittle them?"]and nobody has suggested anything about lying down...theres a relatively reasonable grievances to hold for people from certain counties..they are doing the best they can but they need help as unlike any other sport i dont think theres an organisation thats so geared towards helping 1 specific county more in the last 10 years be it through funding and where the games are held...as a dublin man its great how successful we are but the leinster championship has turned into a joke and it will only get worse unless things are adjusted

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 15/10/2016 21:16:06    1926542

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Replying To alano12:  "
Replying To GreenandRed:  "[quote=alano12:  "[quote=GreenandRed:  "[quote=HurlingWarrior:  "GnR

You are totally missing the point

It's not possible to translate Dublin's methods for success as they have a number of key factors which nobody else comes close to in scale

I mean you don't see Ireland near the top of the medal table at the Olympics alongside the USA or Team GB, do you?

Indeed, Team GB's resurgence has been greatly aided by enormous investment in certain sports while those that haven't received much funding has garnered a lot less/no medals

link
In particular the British indoor cycling team blows the myth that substantial funding in relation to its competitors over a long period of time doesn't make a massive difference out of the water ''It's a brutal regime, but it's as crude as it is effective''"
So we should all lie down and give up and let the Dubs keep on winning cos they've more money? Just to be clear that's what you're saying?

Should the Ireland Olympics budget be similar to countries with about 20 and 80 times our population? Should we stop going to Olympic games because other countries have better resources.

Should Stephen Kenny tell his Dundalk team to stay at home this week because Zenith are building a billion euro stadium ?

I think not. I think that many will rise to an even greater challenge.

Tomás O'Sé in this morning's Indo -

your" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-the-counties-whining-about-dublins-advantages-are-missing-the-point-entirely-35132361.html"
your ignoring how many of the advantages we enjoy compared to any other sport..the sheer amount of home games for instance is a help..not huge but hardly ideal now is it..population...amateur sport..you are being overly simplistic in belittling those simply having a grievance over how the gaa has largely ignored a lot of the weaker counties..its a forum..people are here to talk/argue like it or not"]Who have I belittled and how did I belittle them?"]you are making simplistic points using cliches such as being 'proactive' and replicating things elsewhere when its far more complicated than that and there isnt anything the majority of people can do about that unless the gaa changes their approach drastically which is unlikely....people from smaller counties more so than the corks kerrys etc are allowed to have a legitimate grievance with the gaa over how they have been ignored and completely left behind...with all the challenges smaller counties face its a lot more complex then being 'proactive'...speaking as somebody with a lot of family in a smaller county that makes the most of themselves you are making out as if people are not trying their best to make the most of themselves...the gaa needs to change things or else there isnt a damn thing people will do about it and the inequality will only grow worse with the amount of sponsorship the likes of cork, dublin, kerry, mayo etc are able to raise"]What are your own suggestions for ending this inequality?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7352 - 15/10/2016 22:41:44    1926552

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That Dublin receive such a huge amount more per playing member is just grossly wrong. Centralised GAA development funding should be the same per playing member for the whole country. To provide an imbalanced level of central development funding favouring the only county in the country who can not only afford to invest in their own playing members, but who could probably fund the whole of Leinster, is plain wrong. The GAA is giving money to those who have and are robbing from those who have not.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2553 - 16/10/2016 12:06:13    1926599

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Tomas hit the nail on the head. An awful lot of whiners out there!

These problems have always existed in the GAA, why is it tragic injustice now Dublin are successful?

Im gonna enjoy our success while I can, this Dublin team wont last forever.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 16/10/2016 12:57:25    1926611

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "
Replying To alano12:  "[quote=GreenandRed:  "[quote=alano12:  "[quote=GreenandRed:  "[quote=HurlingWarrior:  "GnR

You are totally missing the point

It's not possible to translate Dublin's methods for success as they have a number of key factors which nobody else comes close to in scale

I mean you don't see Ireland near the top of the medal table at the Olympics alongside the USA or Team GB, do you?

Indeed, Team GB's resurgence has been greatly aided by enormous investment in certain sports while those that haven't received much funding has garnered a lot less/no medals

link
In particular the British indoor cycling team blows the myth that substantial funding in relation to its competitors over a long period of time doesn't make a massive difference out of the water ''It's a brutal regime, but it's as crude as it is effective''"
So we should all lie down and give up and let the Dubs keep on winning cos they've more money? Just to be clear that's what you're saying?

Should the Ireland Olympics budget be similar to countries with about 20 and 80 times our population? Should we stop going to Olympic games because other countries have better resources.

Should Stephen Kenny tell his Dundalk team to stay at home this week because Zenith are building a billion euro stadium ?

I think not. I think that many will rise to an even greater challenge.

Tomás O'Sé in this morning's Indo -

your" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-the-counties-whining-about-dublins-advantages-are-missing-the-point-entirely-35132361.html"
your ignoring how many of the advantages we enjoy compared to any other sport..the sheer amount of home games for instance is a help..not huge but hardly ideal now is it..population...amateur sport..you are being overly simplistic in belittling those simply having a grievance over how the gaa has largely ignored a lot of the weaker counties..its a forum..people are here to talk/argue like it or not"]Who have I belittled and how did I belittle them?"]you are making simplistic points using cliches such as being 'proactive' and replicating things elsewhere when its far more complicated than that and there isnt anything the majority of people can do about that unless the gaa changes their approach drastically which is unlikely....people from smaller counties more so than the corks kerrys etc are allowed to have a legitimate grievance with the gaa over how they have been ignored and completely left behind...with all the challenges smaller counties face its a lot more complex then being 'proactive'...speaking as somebody with a lot of family in a smaller county that makes the most of themselves you are making out as if people are not trying their best to make the most of themselves...the gaa needs to change things or else there isnt a damn thing people will do about it and the inequality will only grow worse with the amount of sponsorship the likes of cork, dublin, kerry, mayo etc are able to raise"]What are your own suggestions for ending this inequality?"]revenue sharing in relation to sponsorship like other leagues do is a possible idea...a cap on the amount of spending a county side has perhaps be it backroom team whatever...everybody receiving their fair share of games home and away...they are just some of the potential ideas..and a big increase in development funding in smaller counties

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 16/10/2016 17:22:16    1926658

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Replying To JayP:  "Tomas hit the nail on the head. An awful lot of whiners out there!

These problems have always existed in the GAA, why is it tragic injustice now Dublin are successful?

Im gonna enjoy our success while I can, this Dublin team wont last forever."
i dont know if its just me but the kerry boys back us up a lot...i think its cause we are the status quo

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 16/10/2016 17:23:00    1926659

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Replying To alano12:  "i dont know if its just me but the kerry boys back us up a lot...i think its cause we are the status quo"
In fairness plamauce o'sé know what side his bread is buttered on :-).

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 17/10/2016 11:45:38    1926884

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