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So in your estimation realman, is money, and money alone the reason for Dublins recent success?
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 13/10/2016 15:27:30
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Replying To realman2: "Unsubstianed talk of no money...there is no money, you think the GAA are putting large profits in the bank??? Here you go from the 2015 gaa accounts if you need proof: http://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-annual-accounts-for-2015-published/key points from the opening paragraph... Drop of €0.5m in revenues to €56m Gate receipts down by €2.7m Central Council championship attendances drop by 40,000 Commercial revenues increased by €2m Distributions to units similar to 2014 at €12.5m Games development increased by €1m to €10m Net result is break-evenyou convinced now?? Anyway read my post further up the page if you need to know why Dublin were financially doped."
Dublin were there for the taking across many of the Leinster winning seasons in the 10/11 Leinster dominance run
Many wasted opportunities by several counties to cut that tally, that simply weren't taken, Dublin were no great shakes for a fair portion of those winning years
Our dominance is inflated by failed opportunities of a number of Leinster counties
When Dublin were average enough it was still good enough to win Leinster
That's not Dublin's fault - Leinster has been poor for a long time
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 13/10/2016 15:35:35
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Now that the dubs are raking in millions on their own through their AIG deal well shouldn't they start to pay back the multi millions they received from the GAA so the GAA can help the smaller counties ?" No, those were grants so the GAA would have to go to court and would lose if they tried to get anything back.
Besides Dublin shouldn't be punished for taking advantage of a daft funding strategy.
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 13/10/2016 15:41:34
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Replying To jimbodub: " Replying To realman2: "Unsubstianed talk of no money...there is no money, you think the GAA are putting large profits in the bank??? Here you go from the 2015 gaa accounts if you need proof: http://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-annual-accounts-for-2015-published/key points from the opening paragraph... Drop of €0.5m in revenues to €56m Gate receipts down by €2.7m Central Council championship attendances drop by 40,000 Commercial revenues increased by €2m Distributions to units similar to 2014 at €12.5m Games development increased by €1m to €10m Net result is break-evenyou convinced now?? Anyway read my post further up the page if you need to know why Dublin were financially doped." Realman2 Dublin were there for the taking across many of the Leinster winning seasons in the 10/11 Leinster dominance run Many wasted opportunities by several counties to cut that tally, that simply weren't taken, Dublin were no great shakes for a fair portion of those winning years Our dominance is inflated by failed opportunities of a number of Leinster counties When Dublin were average enough it was still good enough to win Leinster That's not Dublin's fault - Leinster has been poor for a long time"
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 13/10/2016 15:52:55
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Replying To keithlemon: "So in your estimation realman, is money, and money alone the reason for Dublins recent success?" If it were not a key factor would Jim Gavin have come out and stated that the funding for Dublin should not be cut?
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 13/10/2016 15:53:52
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Replying To jimbodub: "Listen I agree with many of your points but just to add Dublin was greatly under funded for decades
The GAA's inaction across the decades resulting in many areas of Dublin being Soccer/Rugby only, and where you'd find it difficult to find a GAA pitch!
The GAA are playing major catch up in Dublin, because almost half the county was ignored for decades. It was given up on as "West Brit" land
But 100% - Reduce games development grants now by a good 20-30% - Dublin GAA will be able to absorb that loss and continue the good work, while others can benefit
The Southside of the City is in a better state now compared to 10 years ago, but there's still areas that will always be rugby/soccer first and if we all want our sports to thrive it's important that the GAA continues to have a presence in this densely populated area.
That's where most of the progress has been made, GAA in Dublin used to be working class, now it's both working class/middle class and in some areas almost upper class now.
It's right across the board and it's time for Dublin GAA to build on that and move away from the current level of funding" been incredible strides made in the south side when u think about it jimbo..a number of strong clubs now with inter county representation
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 13/10/2016 15:56:56
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Replying To jimbodub: " Replying To realman2: "Unsubstianed talk of no money...there is no money, you think the GAA are putting large profits in the bank??? Here you go from the 2015 gaa accounts if you need proof: http://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-annual-accounts-for-2015-published/key points from the opening paragraph... Drop of €0.5m in revenues to €56m Gate receipts down by €2.7m Central Council championship attendances drop by 40,000 Commercial revenues increased by €2m Distributions to units similar to 2014 at €12.5m Games development increased by €1m to €10m Net result is break-evenyou convinced now?? Anyway read my post further up the page if you need to know why Dublin were financially doped." Realman2 Dublin were there for the taking across many of the Leinster winning seasons in the 10/11 Leinster dominance run Many wasted opportunities by several counties to cut that tally, that simply weren't taken, Dublin were no great shakes for a fair portion of those winning years Our dominance is inflated by failed opportunities of a number of Leinster counties When Dublin were average enough it was still good enough to win Leinster That's not Dublin's fault - Leinster has been poor for a long time"
Only to be humiliated outside of Leinster
How long did Dublin go without beating a top team from outside of Leinster again??
Realman2 come on now... Leinster has been poor for a fair while and it had nothing to do with games development funding, that really is a bone idle lazy excuse
Kildare have a major problem with bringing through very successful underage players to senior, once again this year you find yourself as minor Leinster champs and your U-21's could have easily beaten Dublin who lost narrowly to the eventual AI Champs
So really Kildare have no excuse, you've had a lot of underage success at the expense of the mighty and all consuming Dublin GAA scene
Why cant you bring through more successful underage players?
Because of Dublin is it?
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 13/10/2016 15:57:54
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Replying To jimbodub: " Replying To realman2: "Unsubstianed talk of no money...there is no money, you think the GAA are putting large profits in the bank??? Here you go from the 2015 gaa accounts if you need proof: http://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-annual-accounts-for-2015-published/key points from the opening paragraph... Drop of €0.5m in revenues to €56m Gate receipts down by €2.7m Central Council championship attendances drop by 40,000 Commercial revenues increased by €2m Distributions to units similar to 2014 at €12.5m Games development increased by €1m to €10m Net result is break-evenyou convinced now?? Anyway read my post further up the page if you need to know why Dublin were financially doped." Realman2 Dublin were there for the taking across many of the Leinster winning seasons in the 10/11 Leinster dominance run Many wasted opportunities by several counties to cut that tally, that simply weren't taken, Dublin were no great shakes for a fair portion of those winning years Our dominance is inflated by failed opportunities of a number of Leinster counties When Dublin were average enough it was still good enough to win Leinster That's not Dublin's fault - Leinster has been poor for a long time"
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 13/10/2016 15:58:04
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It's a real pity that a potentially interesting topic on development funding in the GAA across the island has descended into mudslinging and petty remarks about eachothers counties.
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 13/10/2016 16:06:18
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Replying To realman2: "If it were not a key factor would Jim Gavin have come out and stated that the funding for Dublin should not be cut?" Lame comment.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 13/10/2016 16:08:57
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Replying To JoeSoap: "It's a real pity that a potentially interesting topic on development funding in the GAA across the island has descended into mudslinging and petty remarks about eachothers counties." I heard the Dublin posters here are getting grants for mudslinging
Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 13/10/2016 16:12:44
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Replying To alano12: " Replying To jimbodub: "[quote=realman2: "Unsubstianed talk of no money...there is no money, you think the GAA are putting large profits in the bank??? Here you go from the 2015 gaa accounts if you need proof: http://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-annual-accounts-for-2015-published/key points from the opening paragraph... Drop of €0.5m in revenues to €56m Gate receipts down by €2.7m Central Council championship attendances drop by 40,000 Commercial revenues increased by €2m Distributions to units similar to 2014 at €12.5m Games development increased by €1m to €10m Net result is break-evenyou convinced now?? Anyway read my post further up the page if you need to know why Dublin were financially doped." Realman2 Dublin were there for the taking across many of the Leinster winning seasons in the 10/11 Leinster dominance run Many wasted opportunities by several counties to cut that tally, that simply weren't taken, Dublin were no great shakes for a fair portion of those winning years Our dominance is inflated by failed opportunities of a number of Leinster counties When Dublin were average enough it was still good enough to win Leinster That's not Dublin's fault - Leinster has been poor for a long time"
Laois and Wexford should have beaten Dublin too
Had huge chances to do so
Leinster has been more completive than it currently appears
But time and time again average Dublin performances were still good enough
It's a poor excuse by Realman2 to blame it all on games development funding
It's simply doesn't tell the accurate story whatsoever
It's a very easy excuse that ignores the true failings of the Leinster Championship
Kildare GAA are a prime case for under performing
Lots of underage success at the direct expense of Dublin and they have put up a serious challenge at U21 level to AI winning Dublin teams in that grade
Yet why have they failed to bring through players
Realman2 seems to blame Dublin GAA?
Sorry but that's imply doesn't add up and under any sort of examination is a bit silly.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 13/10/2016 16:15:48
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Replying To JoeSoap: "It's a real pity that a potentially interesting topic on development funding in the GAA across the island has descended into mudslinging and petty remarks about eachothers counties." I'm afraid when it comes to debating development funding the biggest debate worth having is how these funds have largely ended up in one county's kitty. Nonsense to suggest there's a debate even close to that in terms of importance.
I'm out anyway, Dublin posters always just debate the county you are posting from so to deflect from the facts that the funding structures the GAA put in place amounted to financially doping.
Be warned Dubs, the GAA will always make the decision that will be of greatest benefit to the GAA, if that decision is to split Dublin they will do it. They can use the funding they gave Dublin for the last 11 years as an argument that it is the only fair thing to do.
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 13/10/2016 16:18:54
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Replying To realman2: "If it were not a key factor would Jim Gavin have come out and stated that the funding for Dublin should not be cut?" Money being a 'Key factor' is one thing but is it the only reason for their success?
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 13/10/2016 16:29:59
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Replying To JoeSoap: "It's a real pity that a potentially interesting topic on development funding in the GAA across the island has descended into mudslinging and petty remarks about eachothers counties." To be fair when a thread references financial doping in its title right from the start it's a bit antagonistic.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 13/10/2016 16:38:02
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A major issue to the weakness of Leinster has been down to tactical naivety and a resistance to change amongst the former Leinster big hitters
Think Dublin against Donegal in 2014
Completely setup wrong and justly paid the price for not being more adaptable
I think teams in Leinster failed to adapt to the modern game similar to Dublin and were very slow to mirror the success of Donegal 2011
You're seeing it now, but there were a few season of Leinster teams setting up man v man against this Dublin
Sure even Kerry and Mayo know they act do that anymore against Dublin
Again, it's far too easy an excuse to blame money
Teams like Kildare, Meath have been poorly managed and they failed to adapt to modern football
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 13/10/2016 16:48:59
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Replying To jimbodub: "A major issue to the weakness of Leinster has been down to tactical naivety and a resistance to change amongst the former Leinster big hitters
Think Dublin against Donegal in 2014
Completely setup wrong and justly paid the price for not being more adaptable
I think teams in Leinster failed to adapt to the modern game similar to Dublin and were very slow to mirror the success of Donegal 2011
You're seeing it now, but there were a few season of Leinster teams setting up man v man against this Dublin
Sure even Kerry and Mayo know they act do that anymore against Dublin
Again, it's far too easy an excuse to blame money
Teams like Kildare, Meath have been poorly managed and they failed to adapt to modern football" Just who exactly are you having this debate with? Is it meant to be me????
Like I don't mean to be overly smart, but you started talking about easy leinsters Dublin won and now you seem to be debating why they won those easy Leinsters even though no one asked why and it has no relevance to the topic.
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 13/10/2016 17:02:46
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Dublin fans saying 'Is money the only reason for our success' is a strawman argument, nobody is saying that.
It's the refusal to accept its impact on how a team performs is what is grating to neutrals, especially those of us who work extremely hard at grassroots level with a lot less resources and natural advantages in hand
HurlingWarrior (Limerick) - Posts: 61 - 13/10/2016 17:47:47
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I'm not trying to attack Kildare GAA or deflect at all
It's just that you seem to think that Leinster being so weak is purely down to Dublin receiving games development grants at a grass root level
I don't think that's an accurate summing up of this period of Dublin GAA dominance in Leinster
Dublin were quite an average team for quite a while through the 00's and could have been beaten several times by Meath, Kildare, Wexford and Laois but they failed to take their chance
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 13/10/2016 18:13:18
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I have to say that having followed and contributed to all of this over the past few days no Dublin poster has made any convincing argument to justify this state of affairs.
Yet at the same time very few are condemning it and Jimbo, for example, seems content to respond to points raised by irrelevant discussions about stadiums in Cork or Kiladre's record at senior level.
A couple of days ago I posted a long comment and asked posters such as Jimbo to explain the relevance of the arguments they were making to the overall issue of the levels of development funding that capital is receiving.
No one on the other side of the argument responded. And to be frank I'm not surprised about that because how can anyone justify or condone what Croke Park has been allowed to do.
I see some posters trying to claim that being given such large amounts of development money is not a factor in the on field success of Dublin in recent times. How anyone can argue that is beyond me.
Yes Dublin are enjoying a remarkable generation of talent, but the high quality coaching many of these players have been exposed to at underage, because of this funding, helped turn their potential into success. It will continue to benefit Dublin teams going forward over the next decade.
The GAA needs to do its utmost to ensure that every underage player in Ireland has access to high quality coaching, regardless of their geographical location. Therefore every county needs to be given their equal share. Counties that don't know how to utilise it, must be shown by Croke Park how to do it by adopting successful models put in place in other areas like Kerry or Dublin.
I sincerely hope that over the next few months this becomes such a snowball of an issue that Croke Park is forced to stop all this and bring levels spent on Dublin in line with the rest of Ireland.
The GAA is a 32 county organisation, this gross inequality has to end.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 13/10/2016 18:35:16
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