It's time people like McGee stepped down and let a few younger people run the GAA for the 21st century. The problem does not just exist with the GAA, you have men that get into power and are loathe to step down or admit that they get things wrong sometimes and it is their rite to go when they want. As for the people he talks to, again probably the rest of the committee members and yes men climbers around the top floor of Croke Park who won't rock the boat or disagree with another committee member in case that stops the climb. As they say " a little bit of knowledge is dangerous " but it looks more and more that a little bit of power in Ireland can be just as dangerous.

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 05/10/2016 13:33:24    1922828

The irony of it all is that McGee is always sucking up to Brolly and takes his word as Gospel. He set up a bloody task force which resulted in the black card just because of Brolly's rant against Sean Cavanagh.

That's Joe Brolly, the man with one all-Ireland to his name.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 05/10/2016 14:07:22    1922851

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 05/10/2016 15:32:58    1922898

I wonder why McGee decided to have a pop at McGuinness about it. Tomas O'Se had a similar article recently and the Sunday Game analysts were all in agreement that it should go (or at least be changed). I guess he is entitled to defend the black card but it childish to put down anybody who doesn't agree with it. I doubt if McGuinness will lose any sleep over it but it is an insight into the thinking of McGee and his cohorts, everybody is complaining about the back card and yet he is in complete denial.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1874 - 05/10/2016 16:00:07    1922916

How did his team win their All Ireland ---- a push on the back of the defender which led to Offalys goal. Should have been a free out. Time he ( E McG) was pensioned off
And to read him on Monday with Longford being the only team to beat Dublin this year
Why do they not beat Dublin in the Leinster championship , a game that would matter. Plus what has he done for Longford. At least J McG took Donegal from a bad place to the top team in Ireland in two years plus I'd say 2012 was a breath of fresh air in GAA circles with the emergence of the Donegal team. It was for us anyway.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 05/10/2016 16:14:26    1922922

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 05/10/2016 16:15:36    1922923

Don't think McGee should have spoken the way he did and I'll be surprised if at some stage he doesn't alter or withdraw that comment but if I'm to be honest I think there is a bit of over saturation with regard to McGuinness in the media which does neither him or us any good.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 05/10/2016 16:18:23    1922924

I didn't get the link between the validity (or otherwise) of JMcG's position on the black card and his lack of success in bringing Sam home for a 2nd time. Please explain.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2596 - 05/10/2016 16:40:38    1922938

Think McGee should cop himself on. He claims that only a small percentage disagree with the black card. I have yet to speak to anyone who agrees with it and by the look of it nobody on HS likes it either. His childish rant against JM is nothing less than embarrassing. OK the black card experiment was worth a try but it failed and needs to be scrapped. Yellow and red cards are enough of a deterrent provided they are given in a consistent fashion by all refs, and this bulls**t about being too early to give a card (when offence happens in first few minutes) as spouted by some pundits just smacks of amateurism.

ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 649 - 05/10/2016 17:21:53    1922958

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 05/10/2016 18:31:04    1922992

99% of people DONT want the Black Card .

If Jim never won a match with Donegal , it shouldn't matter .

Most journalists don't like black card and they've never played football .

What has what Jim won got to do with it ?

Pathetic comment.

Tomas O Se , Whelan and Bernard Flynn vehemently oppose it too .

It's hardly just Jim is it ?

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 05/10/2016 19:33:03    1923003

Quite like Eugene McGee to be honest, I make a point to read what he writes. You can never condone a personal attack, on someone unprovoked seemingly. There is a media perception of Jimys winning matches, I don't think its him, but he does have that guru media persona thrust upon him, remember the rumours about him visiting the Mayo team for a speech, like I say it's the identity the media give him.

I don't think the black card is a bad concept just unsupported by practice, needs TMO support.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 05/10/2016 20:01:25    1923010

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1874 - 05/10/2016 21:22:23    1923032

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 05/10/2016 21:31:30    1923033

I think McGee is simply on the defensive because there are so many instances of disapproval at what was essentially seen as his baby and is not liking the way it has turned out.
If a red or yellow card offence is wrongly ruled on it appears to have less bad press than the black card ones simply because it is probably making things even more difficult for referees and players rather than helping the situation.
It is time to introduce video assistance and that is probably the only way to consistently apply the rules as referees are not able to police properly under present conditions.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 05/10/2016 21:31:39    1923034

I think Eugene McGee is being harshly criticised and unjustly so. He has been called an impediment to progress.I don't believe he is. He has said that it is the agreed time for a review of the black card and he has said that that review would be better conducted in his absence. I disagree with an awful lot of what Eugene McGee has to say . He is overwhelmingly negative in his assessment of Gaelic Football and wrongly so in my opinion. However he correctly identified that cynicism in Gaelic Games was out of control and that it needed to be confronted and eliminated . The Football Review Committee, which he chaired, developed the idea of the black card for one simple reason that being that they believed it was the disciplinary sanction that had the best chance of being passed at Congress. They were right. It secured the requisite two thirds majority and was passed.
No other sanction would have passed and that includes the sin bin. The black card has largely been successful in eliminating the rugby tackle pull down and the off the ball body check of the runner coming through. I was opposed to the introduction of the black card. I would like to see it disposed of. However it is vital the black card is retained until a practical alternative that can be operated at all levels of the game has been passed at Congress. To dispose of it now without having an alternative sanction in place would see a return to the full blooded cynicism that previously prevailed.
I feel that Eugene McGee's comments in relation to Jim McGuinness were extremely petty and churlish and they served him and his cause very poorly. The black card has done some good and that should be recognised. I opposed it's introduction on the grounds that referees were failing miserably to properly administer the two cards already at their disposal. I felt that a third card would result in even more poor decisions and that has absolutely been the case. Players have suffered very unfairly at the hands of our referees and others have not been punished when they should have been. However until the naysayers come up with a viable alternative that can be administered at all levels of the game that they can steer through Congress then we need to retain the black card. The elephant in the room is Congress. It is a grossly inadequate forum for rule changes in the games. It is the real impediment to progress in our games.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 05/10/2016 22:10:21    1923054

It's been forgotten also that Jimmy actually has won two All-Ireland finals! :P

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9136 - 06/10/2016 08:52:05    1923102

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 06/10/2016 12:06:58    1923184

Soccer rule is - it's a red if 'a clear goal-scoring opportunity' is denied by a foul. Should be the same criteria for the black card. This nonsense of no black card because the fouler didn't pull the player to the ground on his way into the square or somebody getting the line for an ankle tap in the middle of the field after the whistle is blown should stop. I'd also keep the black card for abuse of the ref or opponent.

Mickmick (Dublin) - Posts: 104 - 06/10/2016 12:40:49    1923210

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 06/10/2016 13:21:16    1923242