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Any regrets in Mayo for getting rid of 2015 management?

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Replying To DeelRoverFan:  "It's ridiculous to suggest that management cost us the final. We were beaten on the playing field. It must be said that, after a lifetime of faithful service to Mayo football, Noel and Pat were treated poorly by the players and county board. They stood aside without complaint or protest and their joint statement in the aftermath was both professional and classy. You had to feel for them. The bottom line is that James Horan brought Mayo football to a whole new level. Although the ultimate prize is not yet within our grasp, we have a great set of players with tremendous experience or talent. Had Cillian's free gone through the posts and we won in added time - which even the Dublin players and management acknowledge was a distinct possibility - no one would be talking about goalie changes or the role of management. We were simply beaten by a team with a deeper and stronger bench. Black cards are fair game for discussion because the Mayo bench strength was only an issue after horrendous and media-influenced decision to send off Keegan and Vaughan's withdrawal after being mauled."
Sorry if you thought that's what I meant, I think he did the right thing. It didn't pan out but it was a positive move. Do you really want to hear a fan of another county come out with something like "they just don't have the talent to win and All Ireland"

Look it's great that you're all romantic about the Mayo servants and everything but a great player doesn't necessarily make a great manager, I don't think they did a good job. Gaelic football is now a bottom line business, the Mayo players are the ones working their back sides off to win an All Ireland so they're the group that should decide who their manager is, if they don't believe in their management what chance do they have?

Don't know what you're talking with this imaginary scenario of winning in extra time, the free wasn't even at the death. Dublin had time to go down and have a shot if they had wanted, they had a long range free which looked scoreable for Cluxton they just ran down the clock with it.

In the same way no one would feel sorry for Tyrone and Cavanagh after the quarter final I find it hard to feel sorry for Keegan, I feel he got what he deserved in the end up, it's not to say the incident is no where near a black it could easily be interpreted as one

Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 05/10/2016 19:38:50    1923007

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Replying To Seansy48:  "Sorry if you thought that's what I meant, I think he did the right thing. It didn't pan out but it was a positive move. Do you really want to hear a fan of another county come out with something like "they just don't have the talent to win and All Ireland"

Look it's great that you're all romantic about the Mayo servants and everything but a great player doesn't necessarily make a great manager, I don't think they did a good job. Gaelic football is now a bottom line business, the Mayo players are the ones working their back sides off to win an All Ireland so they're the group that should decide who their manager is, if they don't believe in their management what chance do they have?

Don't know what you're talking with this imaginary scenario of winning in extra time, the free wasn't even at the death. Dublin had time to go down and have a shot if they had wanted, they had a long range free which looked scoreable for Cluxton they just ran down the clock with it.

In the same way no one would feel sorry for Tyrone and Cavanagh after the quarter final I find it hard to feel sorry for Keegan, I feel he got what he deserved in the end up, it's not to say the incident is no where near a black it could easily be interpreted as one"
Tyrone should have won the quarter final but were too defensive
I think this is why they want to move away from Harte too and try something different

Scarabin (Dublin) - Posts: 116 - 06/10/2016 13:09:57    1923235

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If things work out as expected, you'll more than likely have Mayo and Kerry both winning their provinces and their respective quarter finals meaning that they're headed for a semi final match. If this is the match up, then this could make or break this Mayo panel. If they were to finally beat Kerry, get that mental breakthrough then I think they march into the All Ireland final and win it

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 06/10/2016 13:45:09    1923267

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Replying To Scarabin:  "Tyrone should have won the quarter final but were too defensive
I think this is why they want to move away from Harte too and try something different"
You're 100% right there, we won all Irelands being ruthless and driving on, against Mayo we tried to sit on every lead we had for some reason. It gets more annoying the further we get away from it to be honest!

Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 06/10/2016 13:46:32    1923269

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Galway didn't beat Mayo in the Connaught final this year. Maybe you're mixing it up with 2009?
pdempsey (Mayo)
you need to explain

I'm not having ago at Mayo but the management was no better this year than previous years. AOS needs to be able to use the ball a bit better and the team need to score more. I would say that over the last few years they have been at the receiving end of some very poor Ref decisions and that has cost them, but one could not fault management for that.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 06/10/2016 17:27:43    1923424

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Replying To Beacaire Gorm:  "I don't feel that way about Mayo. They have the best or second best set of backs in Ireland right now. Midfield is middling and they have top forwards in Andy Moran and Cillian O Connor. The others give you not much better than any other county team.

I feel Mayo have been riding their luck and a general wave of goodwill from officials. They cannot win games without the plethora of frees they often get. They don't score enough from play. Example being OSheas penno against Fermanagh who could have dumped them out of the championship. Same happened last year when Boyle (Moran?) got a penno in drawn game for launching himself head first into a throng of Dublin players.

Still not enough to get them over the line - they are two class forwards away from being the best team and probably a better midfielder than SO'S. Harsh but true."
Ah here lad... Goodwill from officials would have had Diarmuid Connolly and John Small watching that final from the sidelines.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 06/10/2016 17:39:51    1923429

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Not a Mayo fan, but they were a serious outfit this year, very easily could be champions, I haven't felt that in previous encounters, if Rochford sticks to his philosphey, gets the time and can balance there defensive and offensive game, Mayo will be in plenty more games in late Sep."
Yeah, getting enough time as a manager is crucial. It takes some manager to win an all Ireland in your first season.

Rochford will learn loads after this season.

The lack of transparency in the appointment of Connelly and Holmes was the big problem. That was a terrible starting point for Mayo. Rochford has sorted out the Mayo defence that cost them big time through the concession of bad goals.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 06/10/2016 18:01:44    1923432

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Quote 'Rochford has sorted out the Mayo defence that cost them big time through the concession of bad goals'.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary

Is that meant to be one of them Kerry jokes!

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 06/10/2016 20:09:32    1923478

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Replying To browncows:  "Quote 'Rochford has sorted out the Mayo defence that cost them big time through the concession of bad goals'.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary

Is that meant to be one of them Kerry jokes!"
We aren't letting them in to score them instead we score them or we literally hand the band to the man to score, not fully sorted but a start

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 06/10/2016 21:38:25    1923517

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Replying To keithlemon:  "If things work out as expected, you'll more than likely have Mayo and Kerry both winning their provinces and their respective quarter finals meaning that they're headed for a semi final match. If this is the match up, then this could make or break this Mayo panel. If they were to finally beat Kerry, get that mental breakthrough then I think they march into the All Ireland final and win it"
If we beat Kerry in a semi final we have either won the all Ireland or lost by a point (possibly should have won as well)

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 06/10/2016 21:40:17    1923519

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Beating the current Kerry team means nothing in terms of winning an AI, unless it's a final

They aren't even remotely close to their great sides of the 70's, 80's or the last decade

Dublin are the barometer and even ignoring them Tyrone as well as Mayo are ahead of them in the pecking order and nearly all Keery people I tak to on a regular basis would agree wholeheartedly with that sentiment

HurlingWarrior (Limerick) - Posts: 61 - 06/10/2016 22:33:55    1923544

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While acknowledging the question posed to kick off this thread is aimed at Mayo supporters, my answer if I were one of them would be no.
I think Rochford has done a very good job with Mayo this year, has formed the most impressive back 6 in the country by a distance .

In the replay all he did was make a decision based on information available to him. He couldnt predict the future, his decision did'nt work out but this happens to all of us in the working and business world every day. Its part of the investment in people and letting them make mistakes , he will be wiser for it so it would be a nonsense to even question him continuing on .

Mayo are indisputably top 2 in an era where there is a truly exceptional team in our midst.

facethepuckout (Roscommon) - Posts: 214 - 06/10/2016 22:57:18    1923555

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Replying To HurlingWarrior:  "Beating the current Kerry team means nothing in terms of winning an AI, unless it's a final

They aren't even remotely close to their great sides of the 70's, 80's or the last decade

Dublin are the barometer and even ignoring them Tyrone as well as Mayo are ahead of them in the pecking order and nearly all Keery people I tak to on a regular basis would agree wholeheartedly with that sentiment"
It would mean something significant to Mayo given that we haven beaten them in championship action since 1996, and would probably lay the scandal of Limerick to rest into the bargain.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 06/10/2016 23:06:07    1923560

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Replying To facethepuckout:  "While acknowledging the question posed to kick off this thread is aimed at Mayo supporters, my answer if I were one of them would be no.
I think Rochford has done a very good job with Mayo this year, has formed the most impressive back 6 in the country by a distance .

In the replay all he did was make a decision based on information available to him. He couldnt predict the future, his decision did'nt work out but this happens to all of us in the working and business world every day. Its part of the investment in people and letting them make mistakes , he will be wiser for it so it would be a nonsense to even question him continuing on .

Mayo are indisputably top 2 in an era where there is a truly exceptional team in our midst."
"Working & business world", "investment", you sound like someone from the bank, hmm. This Mayo team weren't created overnight by Rochford & the facts are that he did no better than Horan, Holmes & Conneelly. In fact under Rochford most neutrals would say that Mayo had their greatest ever opportunity to win an All Ireland & a monumental error by Rochford was a major factor in deciding the game. In most counties & sports that error would most certainly lead to a debate on his management at the very least. James Horan moulded this team not Rochford & if Mayo want to get over the line they should bring Horan back in as an advisor who has now had the benefit of managing & now analysing them from the sideline. Holmes & Conneelly showed class in resigning with dignity & were great servants to their county. It's laughable to listen to their contribution & that of Horans being dismissed as if Rochford has made Mayo into the top 2 in the country. Honeymoon is over now it's sh#t or bust next year.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 07/10/2016 09:39:30    1923609

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Replying To Gleebo:  "It would mean something significant to Mayo given that we haven beaten them in championship action since 1996, and would probably lay the scandal of Limerick to rest into the bargain."
But unless it's a final, you are hardly going to be telling the grandkids about a win over Kerry?

Grandad : Liitle Johnny tell me about the day we beats Kerry 35 years ago.........

Little Johnny; Ok did we got a trophy for that? Did we win the AI?

Grandad : No, young man it was a semi-final

Little Johnny; So did we win the final grandad?

Grandad: No we lost the final to Dublin who went on to win the next couple of AI's in a row as part of Dublin first 5-in-a-row.

Little Johnny; Ah shucks , so when is the last time we won the AI , what was it like?

Grandad: I'm afraid I've never seen Mayo win an AI, it was before my time in 1951 which is over a hundred years ago now.


See what I mean, I don't see that hypothetical conversation happening

HurlingWarrior (Limerick) - Posts: 61 - 07/10/2016 13:15:24    1923727

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Replying To facethepuckout:  "While acknowledging the question posed to kick off this thread is aimed at Mayo supporters, my answer if I were one of them would be no.
I think Rochford has done a very good job with Mayo this year, has formed the most impressive back 6 in the country by a distance .

In the replay all he did was make a decision based on information available to him. He couldnt predict the future, his decision did'nt work out but this happens to all of us in the working and business world every day. Its part of the investment in people and letting them make mistakes , he will be wiser for it so it would be a nonsense to even question him continuing on .

Mayo are indisputably top 2 in an era where there is a truly exceptional team in our midst."
They're really not number 2

We base eras in the GAA on decades. In this decade we have 4 AI winners none of which are called Mayo.

That's 4 teams in Cork, Kerry, Dublin and Donegal who have all taken their chances

I mean apart from Kerry and Dublin most teams seem to have a slight lul after winning the AI, Donegal for example have lost their Manager and Leader, Cork were from the last decade but still got to stumble over the line with Sam eventually. Kerry came out and beat the highly fancied Donegal team of 2014 doing whatever they needed to do to win.

Mayo went to 2 finals against a great Kerry team last decade, this Mayo team has been to 3 against 2 different great teams. There's a difference but there's really not that big a difference. You can't compare a team who won Sam with one won didn't and there are no prizes for consistent losing !

Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 07/10/2016 13:53:10    1923753

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Replying To moc.dna:  ""Working & business world", "investment", you sound like someone from the bank, hmm. This Mayo team weren't created overnight by Rochford & the facts are that he did no better than Horan, Holmes & Conneelly. In fact under Rochford most neutrals would say that Mayo had their greatest ever opportunity to win an All Ireland & a monumental error by Rochford was a major factor in deciding the game. In most counties & sports that error would most certainly lead to a debate on his management at the very least. James Horan moulded this team not Rochford & if Mayo want to get over the line they should bring Horan back in as an advisor who has now had the benefit of managing & now analysing them from the sideline. Holmes & Conneelly showed class in resigning with dignity & were great servants to their county. It's laughable to listen to their contribution & that of Horans being dismissed as if Rochford has made Mayo into the top 2 in the country. Honeymoon is over now it's sh#t or bust next year."
The thing is with mayo is that it seems to be sh## or bust every year!

unclegerry (Mayo) - Posts: 1222 - 07/10/2016 14:13:38    1923768

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