galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 16/10/2016 21:54:15    1926745

Am i correct in thinking that the people who are now tasked with reviewing the black card fiasco (the review committee) and whether its worked and should remain are the said same people who brought it in in the first place and have steadfastly defended it from all quarters over the last few years???

I wonder what there findings will be if thats the case??

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1351 - 17/10/2016 09:47:01    1926808

overinthewest (Sligo) - Posts: 119 - 18/10/2016 12:07:52    1927208

No doubt there is a problem with off the ball tackles in Gaelic. But to me a lot of it is fairly "handbags" pushing and shoving. A word in the ear and a yellow card should hopefully sort it out. I thought the A.I final was good, and close. Not one sided at all. Right down to the wire. The Black card helped in this. I don't mean to offend the Limerick GAA fraternity. They operate in difficult circumstances. To me a bit like the GAA in the North.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts:779 - 16/10/2016 21:54:15Very unfair insinuations about Limerick. What exactly are the difficult circumstances they face that are anywhere similar to what happened/happens in the North?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/10/2016 18:22:32    1928228

Whatever about the county, Limerick city is not a GAA stronghold. It is was and always will be imo, a "Garrison town".
The last time I visited Limerick was 2010. I remember seeing a Wall Mural, just like you see in Belfast, commemorating a local Rugby lad who had just got picked for the Lions. I could not believe what I saw really- I thought to myself : Is this Belfast or is it Limerick!

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 22/10/2016 11:04:59    1928297

There is no need for the black card nor a need for a sinbin.

Current black card offences should be punished by yellow card and free kick directly in front of the goalposts from the 21 yard line.

Black card offences denying a clear goal opportunity even if outside the large square should be punished by yellow card and penalty kick so the attacking team retains goal scoring opportunity.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 22/10/2016 18:27:29    1928341

There is no need for the black card nor a need for a sinbin.
Current black card offences should be punished by yellow card and free kick directly in front of the goalposts from the 21 yard line.
Black card offences denying a clear goal opportunity even if outside the large square should be punished by yellow card and penalty kick so the attacking team retains goal scoring opportunity.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts:5069 - 22/10/2016 18:27:29There is a need for a black card or a sin bin. All cynical offences are not worthy of a 21 metre free directly in front of the posts but a player going off for 10 minutes with no sub or a black card where they are gone for the remainder of a game but a sub can replace them is most certainly an adequate punishment.
Just given a 21 yard free or a penalty with a yellow for the infringing player isn't enough of a penalty as defending players will take a yellow all day to stop a team getting a score especially if its a close/tight game

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/10/2016 17:39:15    1928452

Just given a 21 yard free or a penalty with a yellow for the infringing player isn't enough of a penalty as defending players will take a yellow all day to stop a team getting a score especially if its a close/tight game

ormondbannerman (Clare)

If they take the yellow card, the attacking team still retains the appropriate scoring opportunity. It'll be better than at present where a black card offence has succeeded in preventing a scoring opportunity.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 23/10/2016 19:25:35    1928474

Your talking beans Galway guy. Limericks a sporting mecca. Rugbys number 1. Thats fine, we are cool with that. 7 or 8 ail clubs , way more than Belfast or cork..second only to dublin. To say its a Garrison town isnt a slur on any Limerick man. It makes us proud. Fought all over the world with the Munster Fusiliers. Of course there are murials to Lions. Its the pinnacle of a rugby players career where you can stand shoulder to shoulder with an English man or indeed be his captain.
Limerick is much more than that though.The All Ireland Hurling club champions are from there as are the current county Football champions and intermediate hurling champion. You dont have a clue galwayman.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 23/10/2016 21:14:49    1928498

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 23/10/2016 22:20:25    1928511

I feel sorry for the Limerick GAA. And like I said the GAA does'nt need the Sin bin. The black card is fine and it will be introduced into Soccer before too long.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 23/10/2016 22:23:27    1928512

If they take the yellow card, the attacking team still retains the appropriate scoring opportunity. It'll be better than at present where a black card offence has succeeded in preventing a scoring opportunity.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts:5072 - 23/10/2016 19:25:35Black card still gives an attacking team an appropriate scoring opportunity like a yellow.
A sin bin would be better than a black card as it simply means player is off for 10 minutes and can return and there is no messing around like the black card allows and you can bring on a sub for a black card offence which is ridiculous

I feel sorry for the Limerick GAA. And like I said the GAA does'nt need the Sin bin. The black card is fine and it will be introduced into Soccer before too long.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts:784 - 23/10/2016 22:23:27 GAA does need the sin bin. It would be better than the black card and you have got to be crazy to think black card would be introduced in soccer or other sports

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/10/2016 11:42:14    1928597

The problem with the sin bin is that the people proposing have lifted this directly from rugby showing a distinct lack of imagination, why 10 mins when a rugby game lasts 10 mins longer than a football game, proportionally it should be just under 9 mins. Either way we cant get the gaa to adopt the independent timekeeper and hooter which has been shown to work well in the ladies games how do we think adding more timekeeping burden on officials will work.

The black card isn't a punishment as being able to replace the offender renders it pointless, especially for teams with deep squads it was a knee jerk response brought in with zero thought or consideration and the people who will decide its fate have a vested interest in defending it so I expect little or no change.

If we are taking ideas from other sports, 21 yd free (free throw in basketball), sin bin (rugby) why not go for the spectacle and have the penalty from ice hockey. Let the fouled player run from half way with 14 of the opposition chasing him, that would be a great old spectacle.

All joking aside there needs to be a more thought out solution rather than simply transpose ideas from other sports.

duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 175 - 24/10/2016 13:58:45    1928640

The problem with the sin bin is that the people proposing have lifted this directly from rugby showing a distinct lack of imagination, why 10 mins when a rugby game lasts 10 mins longer than a football game, proportionally it should be just under 9 mins. Either way we cant get the gaa to adopt the independent timekeeper and hooter which has been shown to work well in the ladies games how do we think adding more timekeeping burden on officials will work. The black card isn't a punishment as being able to replace the offender renders it pointless, especially for teams with deep squads it was a knee jerk response brought in with zero thought or consideration and the people who will decide its fate have a vested interest in defending it so I expect little or no change.
If we are taking ideas from other sports, 21 yd free (free throw in basketball), sin bin (rugby) why not go for the spectacle and have the penalty from ice hockey. Let the fouled player run from half way with 14 of the opposition chasing him, that would be a great old spectacle.
All joking aside there needs to be a more thought out solution rather than simply transpose ideas from other sports.
duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts:132 - 24/10/2016 13:58:45Sin bin doesn't have to be 10 minutes. Just the idea of a sin bin where players are removed for a set time frame, the team are penalised for the time frame but player can return. That is much better than the black card which penalises individual player but doesn't penalise the team.
What are these more thought out solutions then?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/10/2016 14:18:19    1928642

the black card (an carta dúbh) works well. Red cards ruin matches for spectators in my opinion. A player "dives" and gets another player in trouble. Ref red cards player- match is probably ruined now for that team imo. But Black card (carta dúbh) allows a replacement so keeping the sides even.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 24/10/2016 15:18:24    1928656

the black card (an carta dúbh) works well. Red cards ruin matches for spectators in my opinion. A player "dives" and gets another player in trouble. Ref red cards player- match is probably ruined now for that team imo. But Black card (carta dúbh) allows a replacement so keeping the sides even.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts:785 - 24/10/2016 15:18:24 Why do you need to tell us what the black card is in irish?
Why should a team be able to stay at 15 for committing cynical play? Where is the penalty for the team? Red cards don't ruin matches. Red cards are for foul play and that's a players own fault or for multiple smaller infringements of the playing rules which again is the players own fault they are sent off.
The black card is a cop out. A ten minute sin bin penalises both individual player and the team and allows the team who get fouled have an advantage for 7/10 minutes and the player who commits the infringement to come back and make up for their error

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/10/2016 16:13:57    1928667