the 2 best innovations in Sport over the last 10 years have been the Black card and Hawkeye. Both GAA. If no black card the match on Saturday would have ended in farce with 13 or 14 players on the pitch!!! So basically I think posters who call for it's abolishing are talking B#llo*ks!
I like Soccer - but the Red card in that game is open to abuse. How many times have we seen players diving or feigning injury to get some one sent off?
In rugby the ref needs to have medical training if you ask me. Given amount of upper body and head tackles.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 06/10/2016 11:38:36    1923172

the 2 best innovations in Sport over the last 10 years have been the Black card and Hawkeye. Both GAA. If no black card the match on Saturday would have ended in farce with 13 or 14 players on the pitch!!! So basically I think posters who call for it's abolishing are talking B#llo*ks!
I like Soccer - but the Red card in that game is open to abuse. How many times have we seen players diving or feigning injury to get some one sent off?
In rugby the ref needs to have medical training if you ask me. Given amount of upper body and head tackles.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts:763 - 06/10/2016 11:38:36 Black card helps but a sin bin or similar would be better. I don't think the red card in soccer is open to abuse.
As for your comments on rugby they're laughable.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 06/10/2016 12:26:41    1923196

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 06/10/2016 15:26:39    1923344

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 06/10/2016 17:07:22    1923403

Red card in soccer not open to abuse? Not true given amount of feigning injury, and amount of money involved in matches and so on. Black card needed in Soccer no doubt.
Re: Rugby ok I was probably a bit over the top but the spinal and concussion issue is real for that sport. And the Ref being so important- needs medical training.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts:765 - 06/10/2016 15:26:39Soccer has issues but it doesn't have the issues that come up in GAA so it doesn't need a black card/sin bin. There is spinal injuries in rugby but theyre incredibly rare and all regs and laws of the sport are built around safety. Referee doesn't need medical training.



Not that laughable really Ormond considering the Champions Cup are considering independent sideline doctors for every game.

Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts:10523 - 06/10/2016 17:07:22It is laughable and a competition thinking of having independent docs on sideline doesn't mean officials should be medically qualified. You could argue the same with all contact sports with that logic

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 06/10/2016 18:05:41    1923434

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 08/10/2016 22:35:40    1924138

Here is a link.http://www.thejournal.ie/rugby-ban-on-tackling-letter-2636702-Mar2016/

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 08/10/2016 22:43:48    1924139

Here is a link.http://www.thejournal.ie/rugby-ban-on-tackling-letter-2636702-Mar2016/

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 08/10/2016 22:43:49    1924140

Why have 70 Medics in the UK written to Rugby Union to have the underage Rugby tackle banned?

galwayford (Galway) - Posts:768 - 08/10/2016 22:35:40Loads of that 70 have never worked in the area around dealing with injury and sport and many were academics not medical doctors so you can discount that.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/10/2016 16:42:07    1924232

Sin bin is constantly being mentioned far and wide. For me it's by far and away the worst idea. Million times worse than the current black card. Team goes down to 14 in football they will put all 14 behind the ball close up shop and try to see out the 10 minutes or however long it is without doing too much damage. Enough is been given out about defensive set ups, negative play even "puke football" the sin bin will only increase this philosophy. The sin bin in rugby works for many reasons. Scrums, line outs, rucks and mauls all benefit by stretching the opposing teams resources. This advantage will not happen in Gaa football. Even in soccer you hear often enough it's harder at times to play against ten. Sin bin will only push our game further into the negative.

SamandLiamSoon (Galway) - Posts: 597 - 09/10/2016 21:51:56    1924310

Sin bin is constantly being mentioned far and wide. For me it's by far and away the worst idea. Million times worse than the current black card. Team goes down to 14 in football they will put all 14 behind the ball close up shop and try to see out the 10 minutes or however long it is without doing too much damage. Enough is been given out about defensive set ups, negative play even "puke football" the sin bin will only increase this philosophy. The sin bin in rugby works for many reasons. Scrums, line outs, rucks and mauls all benefit by stretching the opposing teams resources. This advantage will not happen in Gaa football. Even in soccer you hear often enough it's harder at times to play against ten. Sin bin will only push our game further into the negative.
SamandLiamSoon (Galway) - Posts:131 - 09/10/2016 21:51:56There is nothing to show that a sin bin would mean 14 players behind the ball. The sin bin doesn't penalise teams or players as bad as black card and the sin bin creates space of an extra man that the black card doesn't.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 10/10/2016 14:47:23    1924554

The point about the docs is that they have to be independent like refs. Clearly there is a suspicion about club doctors.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 10/10/2016 16:55:14    1924614

The 'sin bin' is the only option at this stage. It works well in rugby and other sports. There is no field game in the world that has 3 different coloured cards. On top of that the referees are not paid and the standard is low. Simplify what they have to watch out for. Right now Gaelic football is at a crossroads regarding physicality. Does it go the way of soccer or rugby..Id hope that it would be rugby. For that the tackle around the waist needs to be looked at and then the bin will be 100% needed.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 10/10/2016 19:52:02    1924654

I would not like to see an Aussie Rules type tackle allowed.If that was brought in one a player gets close enough to the man in possession all he has to do is haul him to ground, it will totally negate the skilful ballplayer and payers will just transfer the ball as quickly as possible.Its an 'anti-skill' rule in my view.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 10/10/2016 23:37:51    1924729

The sin bin is the only way to go easily implemented from Junior B to inter county, referees should be able to easily implement it simply record the player number and time in the notebook and allow player back on when the time has elapsed. I reckon it would eradicate all types of cynical behaviour including sledging very quickly. To prevent teams parking the bus I also think the rule proposed by Joe Brolly should be implemented at the same time in that only 6 players 3 from each side are allowed inside the 45 for kickouts. 2 simple changes would transform the game.

Brendanj (Westmeath) - Posts: 67 - 11/10/2016 09:08:26    1924759

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 11/10/2016 10:29:20    1924791

I don't think a sin bin would make any difference.

For example: a game is 0-11 each with 6 minutes left. A referee makes a mistake and decides to sin bin one teams star player. That player is gone for 10 mins, the remainder of the game. That team goes on to lose the game having been down to 14 players for the remainder of the match.

Would the outcry be any less than it is with the black card right now?

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2553 - 16/10/2016 12:20:40    1926605

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 16/10/2016 20:00:45    1926708

The 'sin bin' is the only option at this stage. It works well in rugby and other sports. There is no field game in the world that has 3 different coloured cards. On top of that the referees are not paid and the standard is low. Simplify what they have to watch out for. Right now Gaelic football is at a crossroads regarding physicality. Does it go the way of soccer or rugby..Id hope that it would be rugby. For that the tackle around the waist needs to be looked at and then the bin will be 100% needed.
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts:409 - 10/10/2016 19:52:02 A tackle around waist in GAA isn't what is needed but a proper and better definition of a tackle is needed. Referees not being paid is irrelevant as that doesn't help make referees better or the job easier.

I don't think a sin bin would make any difference.
For example: a game is 0-11 each with 6 minutes left. A referee makes a mistake and decides to sin bin one teams star player. That player is gone for 10 mins, the remainder of the game. That team goes on to lose the game having been down to 14 players for the remainder of the match.
Would the outcry be any less than it is with the black card right now?
icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts:1993 - 16/10/2016 12:20:40But that's a very different issue and nothing to do with the issue with black cards now.


In the UK it has been proposed to drop the tackle in underage Rugby given the amount of head and spinal injuries. Only a matter of time before some one is knocked unconsious and in deep trouble in Rugby. So I don't think Rugby is the way to go. Finally I notice all the Limerick posters seem to back Rugby style rules. Limerick GAA has not won any Senior All Irelands for 40+ years.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts:772 - 16/10/2016 20:00:45It hasn't been proposed in UK to drop the tackle in underage rugby officially. Some doctors(and a lot of them were not medical docs but PhDs etc) did write an open letter but petty comments from you.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/10/2016 20:51:16    1926726

Regarding the tackle I think it should be better defined in the rules.

I'd hate for us to go down the road of copying say an Aussie Rules or Rugby tackle. That'd just fundamentally change our games.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 16/10/2016 20:52:52    1926727