GDL (Galway) - Posts: 722 - 02/10/2016 22:35:25    1921673

I would change the black card sanction to 14 yard free + a yellow card.

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 02/10/2016 22:59:08    1921680

GDL (Galway) - Posts: 722 - 02/10/2016 23:35:22    1921691

Draw match, time almost up team A at the half way line in possession, ref mistakenly decrees a black card offence and awards 14 yard free to win the game = uproar
I believe video ref should be used where possible to review a limited number of scenarios. Hawkeye is a great success and after some teething problems has corrected poor calls by officials.
The black card and the offences warranting it needs to be reviewed and amended and a proper PR job done explaining it to commentators and fans. 4 years in and still huge numbers not knowing what warrants a black,

lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 03/10/2016 00:31:03    1921698

Sin Bin needs to be trialled but will also require clarity on how time keeping is done. If a player is a black carded, you'd expect his team mates to engage in a bit of gamesmanship to run down the ten mins. Stopping the clock fo time wasting needs to be transparent. No point in pointing to rugby as the way to go when their control of the clock is different to the GAA.

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 03/10/2016 09:32:37    1921739

I don't like the black card rule mainly because the implementation by refs is so poor, there is no consistency and in the end players are suffering. I do agree there needs to be a sufficient punishment for cynical fouls however. My suggestion would be; If a player is cynically fouled in their own half give them a 21m free, if they are cynically fouled in the oppositions half give them a penalty. Result would be A) a tangible punishment for the offending team and B) players not being removed from the game. However refs still need to be trained to enforce it properly and not decide depending on location, time, previous decisions.

mhaith_fear (Donegal) - Posts: 75 - 03/10/2016 09:49:53    1921742

mhaith_fear (Donegal) - Posts: 75 - 03/10/2016 09:53:07    1921744

We shout at the ref to show a player a black card for something that wouldn't had us calling for a yellow previously.
That's just wrong

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 03/10/2016 11:16:32    1921789

Sin bin would resolve a lot of ambiguity
Do away with yellows and blacks, if a player commits a foul deemed worthy of what is either, they get 10 minutes in the bin.
It's enforcing it that is tricky but with the right support from the GAA with time keeping taken away from the ref for this and the game it wold be a lot easier

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 03/10/2016 11:34:50    1921800

There is no need for the Sin bin. The black card is fine. It should be introduced in Rugby and Soccer in my opinion- and hockey.
Who decides about the Sinbin clock? Is it the linesman? is it the Ref? Is it Jose Mourinho?

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 03/10/2016 13:49:35    1921884

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 03/10/2016 14:41:11    1921919

I don't get how people claim you couldn't enforce a sin bin at club level.

It's as enforceable as any decision. If your the team down to 14 your manger on the sideline will be counting the time down I can guarantee and simply the ref notes the time on his watch when the player went off. You can bet when the 10 minutes is up the sideline will be reminding the ref, he checks his time and waves him back on.

The current situation is a complete and utter farce, I mean who thought it would actually work, as punishment for a cynical foule your team is allowed to bring on a substitute. In a game where the tackle isn't even defined the referee is now expected to be a mind reader and define actual intent of said undefined tackle to decide if his team is allowed bring on a sub or not. It's laughable really.

The very reasons for its introduction are its basis for failure. It was introduced to stope cynical fouling when its introduction should have been to adequately punish cyclical fouling.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1351 - 03/10/2016 14:44:46    1921920

I have found the solution (or so I think), give the team who received the black card a three point penalty to the score board by adding to the other teams score. I bet body checks, hand trips, sledging and verbal abuse to Referees would soon stop...... Ah Jesus, a problem some team will now conjure up situations to get the other team black cards...........

GDL (Galway) - Posts: 722 - 03/10/2016 20:00:16    1922094

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 03/10/2016 20:29:10    1922100

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 03/10/2016 20:34:45    1922107

I would change the black card sanction to 14 yard free + a yellow card.
centerfield (Mayo) - Posts:142 - 02/10/2016 22:59:08 I wouldn't as that automatically means a score virtually every time and all black cards/yellow cards don't merit opposition scoring,.

I don't like the black card rule mainly because the implementation by refs is so poor, there is no consistency and in the end players are suffering. I do agree there needs to be a sufficient punishment for cynical fouls however. My suggestion would be; If a player is cynically fouled in their own half give them a 21m free, if they are cynically fouled in the oppositions half give them a penalty. Result would be A) a tangible punishment for the offending team and B) players not being removed from the game. However refs still need to be trained to enforce it properly and not decide depending on location, time, previous decisions.
mhaith_fear (Donegal) - Posts:57 - 03/10/2016 09:49:53 Why should players not be removed from the game for poor/cynical offences? Just giving a free isn't going to change things

Sin bin would resolve a lot of ambiguity
Do away with yellows and blacks, if a player commits a foul deemed worthy of what is either, they get 10 minutes in the bin.
It's enforcing it that is tricky but with the right support from the GAA with time keeping taken away from the ref for this and the game it wold be a lot easier
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts:355 - 03/10/2016 11:34:50 You would still have to have a yellow or black card to give a player and show crowd etc that the player is getting sent to the sinbin.

There is no need for the Sin bin. The black card is fine. It should be introduced in Rugby and Soccer in my opinion- and hockey.
Who decides about the Sinbin clock? Is it the linesman? is it the Ref? Is it Jose Mourinho?
galwayford (Galway) - Posts:758 - 03/10/2016 13:49:35Black card isn't needed in rugby. Who do you think decides the sin bin clock? Its the referee and if there is other officials like a linesman or 4th official they run a secondary clock as a back up,

I don't get how people claim you couldn't enforce a sin bin at club level.
It's as enforceable as any decision. If your the team down to 14 your manger on the sideline will be counting the time down I can guarantee and simply the ref notes the time on his watch when the player went off. You can bet when the 10 minutes is up the sideline will be reminding the ref, he checks his time and waves him back on.
The current situation is a complete and utter farce, I mean who thought it would actually work, as punishment for a cynical foule your team is allowed to bring on a substitute. In a game where the tackle isn't even defined the referee is now expected to be a mind reader and define actual intent of said undefined tackle to decide if his team is allowed bring on a sub or not. It's laughable really.
The very reasons for its introduction are its basis for failure. It was introduced to stope cynical fouling when its introduction should have been to adequately punish cyclical fouling.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts:438 - 03/10/2016 14:44:46 Yep those who say you cant enforce sin bin at club level is deluded. And current situation is a farce.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 03/10/2016 22:08:07    1922154

GDL (Galway) - Posts: 722 - 03/10/2016 22:36:32    1922166

mhaith_fear (Donegal) - Posts: 75 - 04/10/2016 09:32:44    1922220

The black card isn't the problem. It is the manor in which the ref uses it, that is the issue and replacing it with a sin bin or whatever will make no difference if the refs aren't will to use it as designed. At the minute in general refs will not give a black card in the first 5 -10 mins of a game nor will they gave a black card if they have already given the team a black card. They also seem unwilling to giving black card on advice from linesmen and umpires. They take the softer option and give a yellow card. Say refs are only giving out 1 in 5 cards that they should, they are decent enough odds for a player to take a chance on. There is a problem with refs in our games at the minute, they are either blind and don't see what is actually happening on the pitch . (The linesmen and umpires also appear to have similar affliction). Or they are over thinking every situation meaning they are afraid to make the hard calls, they know they will get abused if they send a player off. Now I know it is a thankless job where you get nothing but abuse from us supporters and the players around you. I know refs who can't go out for a pint without getting hassled about a decision they made in game a few months / years back. A TMO takes the hard decision out of the refs hands and gives it to a faceless individual up in the stand but this wouldn't work in a B league match between Bally-go-backwards and Back-of-beyond, were the linesmen and umpires are selected from the supporters of each team.In theory the rules in Croke Park should be applied the same as in this game so therefore the black card must stay and the refs will need to be encouraged to use it correctly so that every incident they see the warrants a black card gets one. If players know a ref is more willing to give them out they will behave more responsibly.

anto_meath (Meath) - Posts: 108 - 04/10/2016 10:43:24    1922261

why is a hand trip, a pull down or blocking deemed more cynical than a pull back. surely anything that cynically stops the opponent should merit the same punishment. alsi I don't agree with those who say that if something is implemented in croke park or thurles then it should also be implemented in every ground in the country. I agree that it should be implemented for certain competitions across the board. so for every game in the all-ireland series for instance.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 04/10/2016 11:23:17    1922293