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Hill 16. I don't really know what the argument is here. each county got the same allocated tickets. both got alot less than what they should but did get the same. All the "club" tickets that where snapped up by mayo supporters due to lengthy efforts from them. I know my own club tickets went to two genuine mayo supporters as one of them was lucky enough to win the draw. The ironic part of it was, and this is a fact, that a dubliner was asked did he want to take part in the draw and he refused as he didnt want to pay the 20e to be a member of the club(at the start of the year) or the 2e to enter the draw. he never got to the match and has done nothing but complain about it since. From what i have seen and heard it seems the mayo supporters done there best to get tickets while dublin supporters wanted one handed to them. anyway any true dublin or mayo supporter should have the season ticket which will automatically entitle you to a AI ticket.

monaghangael (Monaghan) - Posts: 7 - 23/09/2016 08:34:48    1918210

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what will happen now is that dublin support will drop off for the league as why would you bother going to every match if the rest of the country returns their unwanted tickets to a non dublin county at a final. Thats not to say gaa members are entitled to their tickets but that is the reality.
Attendances down will mean less money for the gaa coffers and less money for the rest of the country.
i fully expect this to happen quickly

heresam (Dublin) - Posts: 156 - 23/09/2016 08:37:30    1918213

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My Dad's small club in Tipp got 4 tickets.Luckily for me he managed to get his hands on one and passed it onto me.If i didn't receive one it was no big deal.

Every club deserves a few tickets for our biggest day.If some,or a lot of tickets,end up im Mayo hands whats the big deal?They obviously have good contacts up and down the country.

As for the hill,i did my apprenticeship on it in the 90s and dont go there anymore.I much prefer the stand and the sight of so many Mayo people on it last week didnt bother me in the slightest.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 23/09/2016 10:00:23    1918249

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Replying To monaghangael:  "Hill 16. I don't really know what the argument is here. each county got the same allocated tickets. both got alot less than what they should but did get the same. All the "club" tickets that where snapped up by mayo supporters due to lengthy efforts from them. I know my own club tickets went to two genuine mayo supporters as one of them was lucky enough to win the draw. The ironic part of it was, and this is a fact, that a dubliner was asked did he want to take part in the draw and he refused as he didnt want to pay the 20e to be a member of the club(at the start of the year) or the 2e to enter the draw. he never got to the match and has done nothing but complain about it since. From what i have seen and heard it seems the mayo supporters done there best to get tickets while dublin supporters wanted one handed to them. anyway any true dublin or mayo supporter should have the season ticket which will automatically entitle you to a AI ticket."
you got all that info on every dublin supporter from one dub living in monaghan haha
i know loads of people who buy tickets all year through supervalu
whats the point anymore doing it is what they will now say
they want us all year to buy through them but come the final they close the place we have been getting them off
supervalu is a sponsor of the football championship afterall.
i have been involved in 5 different clubs in 4 counties
and I can say honestly the exact same clique runs through all of them
season ticket schemes are the only fair system that exists at the moment when comes to ticketing.
but unfortunatly the gaa being the gaa get a great system and limit it to only a handfull
when if they had brains they could increase the national league revenue by allowing more people join these systems
and national league crowds would rise as a result.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/09/2016 10:17:16    1918256

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Replying To cuederocket:  "My Dad's small club in Tipp got 4 tickets.Luckily for me he managed to get his hands on one and passed it onto me.If i didn't receive one it was no big deal.

Every club deserves a few tickets for our biggest day.If some,or a lot of tickets,end up im Mayo hands whats the big deal?They obviously have good contacts up and down the country.

As for the hill,i did my apprenticeship on it in the 90s and dont go there anymore.I much prefer the stand and the sight of so many Mayo people on it last week didnt bother me in the slightest."
I've gotten tickets from clubs in Fermanagh and Lietrim in the past. Got one through my own club this year and I know two Mayo people in our club that got tickets in the draw too. I'm sure there's a few Mayo lads in every club in Dublin who may have picked up tickets and I'm sure there's hardly any dubs in Mayo clubs.
There's no conspiracy here lads. Mayo co. board had a week head start on us in the hunt for tickets from neutral counties as their semi-final was first and Mayo people are spread right through every county and were hoovering up tickets in their local clubs. We're a big county with a huge population, it's an advantage when we're looking for players and sponsorship and it's a disadvantage when we're looking for tickets. Thank god we have the problem of finding tickets for an All Ireland final, long may that particular problem last.

Mickmick (Dublin) - Posts: 104 - 23/09/2016 10:26:42    1918260

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "you got all that info on every dublin supporter from one dub living in monaghan haha
i know loads of people who buy tickets all year through supervalu
whats the point anymore doing it is what they will now say
they want us all year to buy through them but come the final they close the place we have been getting them off
supervalu is a sponsor of the football championship afterall.
i have been involved in 5 different clubs in 4 counties
and I can say honestly the exact same clique runs through all of them
season ticket schemes are the only fair system that exists at the moment when comes to ticketing.
but unfortunatly the gaa being the gaa get a great system and limit it to only a handfull
when if they had brains they could increase the national league revenue by allowing more people join these systems
and national league crowds would rise as a result."
I have posted this before about how my own club allocates tickets. Its run on a points system where the more you do in the club the more points you get. Players, coaches, committee members, stewards, tea makers, sandwich maker, dressing room cleaners, people that open up, ticket sellers etc etc etc all get points. The more points you have the higher up the league table you go. The highest person has first choice of all tickets and so on.

This means the people that actually do work in the club get the tickets. if anyone complains they are shown the league table and told if they want to move up the table they have to get more involved.

donegaldouble (Donegal) - Posts: 310 - 23/09/2016 10:31:35    1918262

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Where were the tens of thousand of Dublin supporters for the away league games?
Where were they for the Laois game in Kilkenny which didn't sell out?
Expecting more tickets because you can bring a crowd for the big day in your own back yard smacks of entitlement.
Mayo always bring big numbers with them and are probably able to source these extra ticket through years of unwavering support heading to Croke park. Many travel without tickets in hope of getting one. If they don't, they've spent a lot of money to sit in a pub in Dublin and stay in a hotel overnight while the likes of yourself can toddle on home an it only costing you the price of a bus fare.

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 23/09/2016 10:39:30    1918265

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Seriously you got to listen to the points in making. Of course every county has a bandwagon element, I'm not talking about that at all, the fact is most on here are high and mighty about club people getting the tickets but the Dublin clubs are being shafted when it comes to that. I keep telling people in here that a club is the worst place in dublin to get a ticket. Its all well and good in the country where you have nearly as many tickets per club as member's and then you have the other counties who hand them over to mayo, why do they keep getting tickets id they don't use them in these counties surely the Dublin club membership should count when comes to ticket demands. There was 57thousand tickets for Dublin for semi final and only 15thousand for final that's a massive drop. The gaa allocate funding based on the club demand in terms of size and membership it needs to cater for, surely the ticketing allocations should work similiar. If Dublin played leitrim in an all Ireland final do you really think it fair that leitrim could all but have a ticket for every man women and child that's a resident of the county despite having no interest possibly in the gaa until a final while Dublin would still get the same number only.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11110 - 22/09/2016 21:21:02 You use the word bandwagon like its a real dirty thing? Your paranoia is hilarious. You don't have a clue about clubs in rural areas when you say things like you have nearly as many tickets as members. All counties and areas of the GAA get tickets for the associations main events. Its a great sign of the associations roots that this happens.

Hill 16. I don't really know what the argument is here. each county got the same allocated tickets. both got alot less than what they should but did get the same. All the "club" tickets that where snapped up by mayo supporters due to lengthy efforts from them. I know my own club tickets went to two genuine mayo supporters as one of them was lucky enough to win the draw. The ironic part of it was, and this is a fact, that a dubliner was asked did he want to take part in the draw and he refused as he didnt want to pay the 20e to be a member of the club(at the start of the year) or the 2e to enter the draw. he never got to the match and has done nothing but complain about it since. From what i have seen and heard it seems the mayo supporters done there best to get tickets while dublin supporters wanted one handed to them. anyway any true dublin or mayo supporter should have the season ticket which will automatically entitle you to a AI ticket.
monaghangael (Monaghan) - Posts:6 - 23/09/2016 08:34:48What then should a counties allocation be then? What exactly is a genuine supporter?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/09/2016 11:07:59    1918278

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "I wouldn't call a packed middle of the hill bare my friend.
that's fine fair play to you but why do you and the others choose not to go to the hill then for all ireland quarter finals, semi finals or league semi finals or league finals or qualifiers when te are playing in croker??"
A packed middle is still only around a sixth of a full hill so where do the extra supporters come from for championship games? As I said before I work and live in Dublin and when Donegal were playing Dublin in the league back in March on a saturday night I asked a few of my work colleagues on the friday before the game if they were heading to croker for the game. I assumed these lads were big Dublin GAA followers because the previous September they were trying to source tickets for the All Ireland final and complaining about the ticket allocation Dublin fans got and how hard it was to source them(they were successful in their search and got hill tickets) but they asked who was playing? When I told them it was Donegal and Dublin they asked was it a friendly and that stage I lost interest in the conversation. The same lads came to me wondering if I had contacts for tickets for this years final. The thing is, if they were genuine Dublin fans I would of made some enquries but that would of been unfair to genuine supportes like you Hill so I told them no. These lads go to most Dublin championship games but I get the impression if you asked them who won the Dublin county championship last year they would struggle to give an answer. I think these type of fans are a bigger problem to genuine Dublin supporters rather that club memebers from the country.

Not that it matters, but I've been to the hill for plenty of games in the past. Cork semi final in 2012, Dublin semi in 2014 and I tried getting tickets for the QF this year but I had to settled for a HS ticket but I was just glad to get one.

Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 23/09/2016 11:59:52    1918315

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "you got all that info on every dublin supporter from one dub living in monaghan haha
i know loads of people who buy tickets all year through supervalu
whats the point anymore doing it is what they will now say
they want us all year to buy through them but come the final they close the place we have been getting them off
supervalu is a sponsor of the football championship afterall.
i have been involved in 5 different clubs in 4 counties
and I can say honestly the exact same clique runs through all of them
season ticket schemes are the only fair system that exists at the moment when comes to ticketing.
but unfortunatly the gaa being the gaa get a great system and limit it to only a handfull
when if they had brains they could increase the national league revenue by allowing more people join these systems
and national league crowds would rise as a result."
Why not join your club and get tickets through them. Contribute to your local club by supporting them?

Murph (Kerry) - Posts: 45 - 23/09/2016 12:35:26    1918340

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Replying To Mickmick:  "I've gotten tickets from clubs in Fermanagh and Lietrim in the past. Got one through my own club this year and I know two Mayo people in our club that got tickets in the draw too. I'm sure there's a few Mayo lads in every club in Dublin who may have picked up tickets and I'm sure there's hardly any dubs in Mayo clubs.
There's no conspiracy here lads. Mayo co. board had a week head start on us in the hunt for tickets from neutral counties as their semi-final was first and Mayo people are spread right through every county and were hoovering up tickets in their local clubs. We're a big county with a huge population, it's an advantage when we're looking for players and sponsorship and it's a disadvantage when we're looking for tickets. Thank god we have the problem of finding tickets for an All Ireland final, long may that particular problem last."
Well said.

Murph (Kerry) - Posts: 45 - 23/09/2016 12:36:25    1918344

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Replying To donegaldouble:  "I have posted this before about how my own club allocates tickets. Its run on a points system where the more you do in the club the more points you get. Players, coaches, committee members, stewards, tea makers, sandwich maker, dressing room cleaners, people that open up, ticket sellers etc etc etc all get points. The more points you have the higher up the league table you go. The highest person has first choice of all tickets and so on.

This means the people that actually do work in the club get the tickets. if anyone complains they are shown the league table and told if they want to move up the table they have to get more involved."
Hahahaha that sounds like something out of father Ted.
how do the points work as in what is valued more a manager or player?
A sandwich maker or Jersey washer?
il tell you one thing at least it's a system a lot better than most clubs your right there.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/09/2016 13:11:27    1918366

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Replying To Superglue:  "Where were the tens of thousand of Dublin supporters for the away league games?
Where were they for the Laois game in Kilkenny which didn't sell out?
Expecting more tickets because you can bring a crowd for the big day in your own back yard smacks of entitlement.
Mayo always bring big numbers with them and are probably able to source these extra ticket through years of unwavering support heading to Croke park. Many travel without tickets in hope of getting one. If they don't, they've spent a lot of money to sit in a pub in Dublin and stay in a hotel overnight while the likes of yourself can toddle on home an it only costing you the price of a bus fare."
Haha there was only Dublin supporters in Kilkenny and it was a bank holiday Saturday night, it was like a game of where's wally for a laois supporter in the crowd.
away league games last year in killarney and pair ui rinn there was more dubs than Kerry or cork in the grounds.
some boyo for accusations you make a great politician in Kerry that's for sure.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/09/2016 13:14:45    1918367

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Replying To Mobot:  "A packed middle is still only around a sixth of a full hill so where do the extra supporters come from for championship games? As I said before I work and live in Dublin and when Donegal were playing Dublin in the league back in March on a saturday night I asked a few of my work colleagues on the friday before the game if they were heading to croker for the game. I assumed these lads were big Dublin GAA followers because the previous September they were trying to source tickets for the All Ireland final and complaining about the ticket allocation Dublin fans got and how hard it was to source them(they were successful in their search and got hill tickets) but they asked who was playing? When I told them it was Donegal and Dublin they asked was it a friendly and that stage I lost interest in the conversation. The same lads came to me wondering if I had contacts for tickets for this years final. The thing is, if they were genuine Dublin fans I would of made some enquries but that would of been unfair to genuine supportes like you Hill so I told them no. These lads go to most Dublin championship games but I get the impression if you asked them who won the Dublin county championship last year they would struggle to give an answer. I think these type of fans are a bigger problem to genuine Dublin supporters rather that club memebers from the country.

Not that it matters, but I've been to the hill for plenty of games in the past. Cork semi final in 2012, Dublin semi in 2014 and I tried getting tickets for the QF this year but I had to settled for a HS ticket but I was just glad to get one."
The middle section holds 6 thousand.
the whole capacity of hill and nally is 13 thousand so come on that's just under half not a sixth.
again your experience is based on a handfull of Dublin guys from work or whatever. I meet country people all the time that think Dublin has no beaches because they only ever see the city when they visit that dont mean I tar all people from that area as clueless as that individual.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/09/2016 13:23:15    1918374

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Replying To Murph:  "Why not join your club and get tickets through them. Contribute to your local club by supporting them?"
Seriously you need to read before you post. Here in bold letters I AM A CLUB MEMBER and the point I made was it's like a lottery in a Dublin club looking for a ticket, I'm lucky eniugh to be in the Parnell pass scheme and attend every Dublin game the people I speak about aren't so lucky as the schemes are only open for renewals

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/09/2016 13:26:36    1918377

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Looking forward to the replay. Think our club getting 10 tickets again. Think that should cover the lads and lassies from Mayo in the club ie manager, coach, player, Jersey washer, sandwich maker, Tea/coffee maker, sponsor, steward, shop assistant and Lotto seller.

Mid Don (Donegal) - Posts: 70 - 23/09/2016 13:31:56    1918382

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714 names for 70 tickets again in one Northside club for replay ..basically unless your the chairman of a club or one of the lucky season ticket holders (for which there are 9000 on a waiting list) you have a 1 in 10 chance of getting a ticket in Dublin.

hurler32 (Limerick) - Posts: 867 - 23/09/2016 13:50:59    1918395

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Haha there was only Dublin supporters in Kilkenny and it was a bank holiday Saturday night, it was like a game of where's wally for a laois supporter in the crowd.
away league games last year in killarney and pair ui rinn there was more dubs than Kerry or cork in the grounds.
some boyo for accusations you make a great politician in Kerry that's for sure."
I would agree that Dublin do travel in big numbers to away games but so do we. We also outnumbered Cork down in Pairc Ui Rinn this year and out numbered the Kerry support in Killarney the year before. It's actually rare we don't outnumber the home support when away. If we were to allocate tickets on a pro rata basis based on how many club members there are in Dublin and Mayo, as you suggest, it would be fundamentally unfair. Dublin has far more club members and would have the vast majority of the stadium. The vast majority of people, including quite a number of Dublin posters, disagree fundamentally with you on this but it appears to me that you fail to see beyond your own self interest. Competing counties officially receive the same amount of tickets and that is as it should be. Outside of that it is up to people to source tickets from elsewhere and Mayo simply did a better job, aided by having a week extra to search. Now there is an argument that the way tickets are allocated is unfair on BOTH competing counties but that is a different argument.

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 495 - 23/09/2016 14:06:36    1918399

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Replying To hurler32:  "714 names for 70 tickets again in one Northside club for replay ..basically unless your the chairman of a club or one of the lucky season ticket holders (for which there are 9000 on a waiting list) you have a 1 in 10 chance of getting a ticket in Dublin."
Im involved in a club in Dublin and there would be a lot more people looking for tickets than there are tickets available. However I haven't heard of anyone who is properly involved in the club and who regularly gets tickets for Dublin games through the club, who didn't get sorted.

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 495 - 23/09/2016 14:11:50    1918402

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "you got all that info on every dublin supporter from one dub living in monaghan haha
i know loads of people who buy tickets all year through supervalu
whats the point anymore doing it is what they will now say
they want us all year to buy through them but come the final they close the place we have been getting them off
supervalu is a sponsor of the football championship afterall.
i have been involved in 5 different clubs in 4 counties
and I can say honestly the exact same clique runs through all of them
season ticket schemes are the only fair system that exists at the moment when comes to ticketing.
but unfortunatly the gaa being the gaa get a great system and limit it to only a handfull
when if they had brains they could increase the national league revenue by allowing more people join these systems
and national league crowds would rise as a result."
Hill 16 - Am a monaghan man living in meath. Im not really arguing with you here! I think! your 100% correct about the season tickets. I never realised that there was a limited number of them and there was a waiting list! Whats the reason behind that?

The point im trying to get across is that all the tickets given to mayo supporters were given to them because they asked to be given them. Its not as if clubs had free tickets and choose to post them to mayo for whoever wanted them instead of handing them back to be redistributed as a way of getting one over on the dubs.

From what ive seen and heard is that mayo supporters were asking everyone and everywere, doing everthing they could to get a ticket. I've heard of practically no dubs doing the same(outside of dublin). Thats why they got the tickets. Not because the country in general decided to give any spare tickets to mayo supporters only.

Last question to you! Are you suggesting that the hill should be reserved for dublin supporters only?

monaghangael (Monaghan) - Posts: 7 - 23/09/2016 14:27:55    1918413

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