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The last day was our worst championship performance since Donegal 2014.

A lot of Dubs on here trying to convince themselves it was a one off.

How do you know? We have NEVER beaten Mayo comfortably. Do you think thats going to change now??

Neither side can defend a lead. I'd settle for a tied game going into injury time even if we looked the more tired at the end the last day.

SirStrawHat (Dublin) - Posts: 58 - 28/09/2016 14:15:07    1920165

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Replying To SirStrawHat:  "The last day was our worst championship performance since Donegal 2014.

A lot of Dubs on here trying to convince themselves it was a one off.

How do you know? We have NEVER beaten Mayo comfortably. Do you think thats going to change now??

Neither side can defend a lead. I'd settle for a tied game going into injury time even if we looked the more tired at the end the last day."
Not trying to convince myself but applying a bit of logic.

Watching game again from a Dub point of view, there was a lot of poor finishing. Dean Rock hardly missed a dead ball all year but misses 4 or 5 in the final. Dean also misses an easy point from play. Kevin Mc ,very good all year, drops one short. BB misses an easy one (by his standards). Kilkenny, Byrne snatch at very scorable points. Combine that with players fumbling the ball when running through and you see a lot of scope for improvement.

Don't think it is too much of a rosey view to expect the above not to happen to the same extent on Saturday.

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 28/09/2016 14:36:24    1920172

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Met Eireann Forecast: SATURDAY: A lot of dry weather with good sunny spells - just light northwest breezes. However eastern areas will be at threat of showers, as low pressure pulls away from the Irish Sea.

So 3 days out the weather is still a bit uncertain. If that low pressure pulls away in time we're pretty much guranteed a dry day in Dublin. Interesting couple of days weather watching.

I feel, like a lot of commentators, that a dry day will suit Dublin a little more. But weather and all aside Dublin have to match Mayo's hunger. Replayed all-irelands are great for a neutral. Shortens the winter :)

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 28/09/2016 15:03:22    1920178

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Replying To jimbodub:  "we might aswell just hand over Sam now so!

Exactly why break from tradition"
Why indeed. Another case of Dublin only needing to show up, fair play

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 495 - 28/09/2016 15:06:50    1920180

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Just a thought or 2 Mayo played Kerry in 2014 replay on a Saturday and lost after extra time, in 2015 Mayo lost to Dublin in a replay on a Saturday and this year we play in another replay on a Saturday, will it be 3rd time lucky? Unless I'm mistaken Mayo haven't beaten Dublin since 2012 in both League and Championship

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 28/09/2016 22:44:35    1920315

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Mayo @ -5 looking good at 10/1.

peile (Mayo) - Posts: 180 - 28/09/2016 23:41:46    1920326

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With so many distracted by the Lee Keegan vs Diarmaid Connolly yap, I thought with 2 days to go to a highly anticipated match we might have talk about the actual game. There is going to be some atmosphere at this especially under lights not to mention the buzz that will be in the city on a Saturday night anyway.
Forgetting Keegan / Connolly there's so much more to this game:
1. What has either team learned from the other
2. Will Mayo do anything different on the Cluxton kickout
3. Will either team make changes to their starting line up
3. Will Mayo be able to bring the same ruthlessness to their defending
4. Will Dublin be as bad up front again
5. Which players will have a great match and who's going to have a stinker
6. Are we going to have our first 2 in a row in 10 years or will the 65 year curse be lifted

Come on lads, there's enough negativity and sniping about the disciplinary side of the game, lets talk football

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 29/09/2016 10:00:44    1920379

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Replying To riverboys:  "Just a thought or 2 Mayo played Kerry in 2014 replay on a Saturday and lost after extra time, in 2015 Mayo lost to Dublin in a replay on a Saturday and this year we play in another replay on a Saturday, will it be 3rd time lucky? Unless I'm mistaken Mayo haven't beaten Dublin since 2012 in both League and Championship"
Correct, Saturday will the the 10th game, with Mayo having no wins from the last 9 in League and Champo.

Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 29/09/2016 10:46:46    1920409

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Replying To Jaden:  "Correct, Saturday will the the 10th game, with Mayo having no wins from the last 9 in League and Champo."
Not that it makes a blind bit of difference but did Mayo not win a league game in Castlebar by about ten points. Maybe that was pre. 2012 though.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 29/09/2016 11:42:22    1920439

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Replying To keithlemon:  "With so many distracted by the Lee Keegan vs Diarmaid Connolly yap, I thought with 2 days to go to a highly anticipated match we might have talk about the actual game. There is going to be some atmosphere at this especially under lights not to mention the buzz that will be in the city on a Saturday night anyway.
Forgetting Keegan / Connolly there's so much more to this game:
1. What has either team learned from the other
2. Will Mayo do anything different on the Cluxton kickout
3. Will either team make changes to their starting line up
3. Will Mayo be able to bring the same ruthlessness to their defending
4. Will Dublin be as bad up front again
5. Which players will have a great match and who's going to have a stinker
6. Are we going to have our first 2 in a row in 10 years or will the 65 year curse be lifted

Come on lads, there's enough negativity and sniping about the disciplinary side of the game, lets talk football"
Ah here, Keith, what are you doing discussing actual football topics on a Gaelic Football and Hurling forum???

I'll bite anyway :-)

1. What has either team learned from the other

Dublin learned that Mayo can match them for athleticism and intensity and that they have several very willing runners so are dangerous on the break. They are also far more accomplished than previous performances this year would suggest. You'd think Dublin would know this already, though.

Mayo learned that they are susceptible to turnovers and the long ball to their full back line can hurt them. Dublin didn't seem to do this as often as previous due to the conditions. They've also learned their own long ball doesn't pay that much dividends due to Dublin being used to it at this stage.

2. Will Mayo do anything different on the Cluxton kickout

Mayo closed down the Dublin kickout very well the first day and I'd say they'll be targeting more of the same. Dublin may have won a high percentage of their own kickouts but were very deep and the press denied Dublin the chance to break quickly and allowed Mayo to get their formation into place. I'd say Dublin will try and have a plan B from their own kickouts and Mayo well be practising to close down this potential option.

3. Will either team make changes to their starting line up

For Dublin, there's talk of Byrne, MDMA, McManamon, Flynn and Brogan being under pressure to keep their place. I do think Dublin could do with a freshening up of the lineup. Dublin didn't have near enough direct runners the first day. The likes of Mannion broke the line reasonably regularly the first day but lacked support. Could he be a viable option to start? Similarly, could EOG, despite not featuring heavily this year, be an option at full forward to give the long ball option?

For Mayo, SOS seems to be the only one whose place is in danger. Doherty did a lot of spade work but didn't contribute hugely going forward. Moran is a like-for-like replacement for SOS but does he have the pace for the Dublin midfield? For Doherty, will Regan be allowed to play under concussion regulations (if, indeed, he was concussed)?

4. Will Mayo be able to bring the same ruthlessness to their defending

I see no reason why not. Mayo have a lot of strength, pace and endurance in their defence. The likes of Harrison has fit in seamlessly. I think they will be just as difficult to break down on Saturday. Its up to Gavin and Dublin to come up with alternatives to keep the Mayo defence guessing.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 29/09/2016 11:57:53    1920447

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5. Will Dublin be as bad up front again

I sure hope not but a lot of that was down to the Mayo defensive structure and the quality of players they have. Its easy to say Dublin won't be as bad up front again but actually executing this performance is a different matter. Dublin need to target areas that are difficult to defend (the diagonal ball to willing runners in the corner, breaking the lines with support runners etc.) and commit to this or Mayo will eat them up again.

6. Which players will have a great match and who's going to have a stinker

There are too many variables to guess. Brogan has got bad press but the quality of service he's received all year has been poor as Dublin have tended to meet packed defences and have elected to pick them off from distance rather than feed the inside line. If Dublin can get the right balance between the running game and the long ball, I'd predict BB to shine. For Mayo, DOC has all the attributes of a smashing footballer. He looked off the pace the first day but has had his injury problems. The extra 2 weeks may well get him back towards his "old" self so he could well be due a stormer.

7. Are we going to have our first 2 in a row in 10 years or will the 65 year curse be lifted

First two in a row (touch wood, fingers crossed, please God, four leaf clovers all round).

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 29/09/2016 11:58:40    1920449

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "Not that it makes a blind bit of difference but did Mayo not win a league game in Castlebar by about ten points. Maybe that was pre. 2012 though."
Yeah, they won by 12 points in 2012. I think the first game was interrupted by fog and Mayo romped the refixture.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 29/09/2016 12:15:10    1920454

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "Ah here, Keith, what are you doing discussing actual football topics on a Gaelic Football and Hurling forum???

I'll bite anyway :-)

1. What has either team learned from the other

Dublin learned that Mayo can match them for athleticism and intensity and that they have several very willing runners so are dangerous on the break. They are also far more accomplished than previous performances this year would suggest. You'd think Dublin would know this already, though.

Mayo learned that they are susceptible to turnovers and the long ball to their full back line can hurt them. Dublin didn't seem to do this as often as previous due to the conditions. They've also learned their own long ball doesn't pay that much dividends due to Dublin being used to it at this stage.

2. Will Mayo do anything different on the Cluxton kickout

Mayo closed down the Dublin kickout very well the first day and I'd say they'll be targeting more of the same. Dublin may have won a high percentage of their own kickouts but were very deep and the press denied Dublin the chance to break quickly and allowed Mayo to get their formation into place. I'd say Dublin will try and have a plan B from their own kickouts and Mayo well be practising to close down this potential option.

3. Will either team make changes to their starting line up

For Dublin, there's talk of Byrne, MDMA, McManamon, Flynn and Brogan being under pressure to keep their place. I do think Dublin could do with a freshening up of the lineup. Dublin didn't have near enough direct runners the first day. The likes of Mannion broke the line reasonably regularly the first day but lacked support. Could he be a viable option to start? Similarly, could EOG, despite not featuring heavily this year, be an option at full forward to give the long ball option?

For Mayo, SOS seems to be the only one whose place is in danger. Doherty did a lot of spade work but didn't contribute hugely going forward. Moran is a like-for-like replacement for SOS but does he have the pace for the Dublin midfield? For Doherty, will Regan be allowed to play under concussion regulations (if, indeed, he was concussed)?

4. Will Mayo be able to bring the same ruthlessness to their defending

I see no reason why not. Mayo have a lot of strength, pace and endurance in their defence. The likes of Harrison has fit in seamlessly. I think they will be just as difficult to break down on Saturday. Its up to Gavin and Dublin to come up with alternatives to keep the Mayo defence guessing."
Did Dublin do that much damage with long balls in?
Obviously the ball from Connolly into Rock which resulted in the Boyle OG.
That was an excellent ball in from Connolly it what was a practised set piece - I would say Mayo will be more aware of Dublin set pieces the next day. In the event of confusion, get your sweeper to the penalty spot asap.

Mayo certainly have to do something regarding Fenton - he can't be allowed to ghost forward into dangerous positions unmarked.

Will Dublin go man marking on any Mayo forward?

BlastCalyle (Mayo) - Posts: 206 - 29/09/2016 12:52:08    1920469

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "Not that it makes a blind bit of difference but did Mayo not win a league game in Castlebar by about ten points. Maybe that was pre. 2012 though."
From the last 5 League Appearances, 5 Wins for Dublin
2013 x 2 (A League Semi too)
2014 x 1
2015 x 1
2016 x 1

From the last 4 Championship Appearances, 2 Wins for Dublin, and 2 Draws.
2013 - AIF Win.
2015 - AISF, Draw and Win
Last Week, Draw.

2002 to 2012 was very different.
2 x Championship matches - Mayo won both (2006 and 2012).
8 x League was Dublin 4 Wins, Mayo 3 Wins, 1 Draw (2009).

Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 29/09/2016 12:56:53    1920472

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "Yeah, they won by 12 points in 2012. I think the first game was interrupted by fog and Mayo romped the refixture."
That's the one. I think Dublin were hammering us in the first game until the fog came. The second game was a freak result.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 29/09/2016 13:38:15    1920493

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Replying To Jaden:  "From the last 5 League Appearances, 5 Wins for Dublin
2013 x 2 (A League Semi too)
2014 x 1
2015 x 1
2016 x 1

From the last 4 Championship Appearances, 2 Wins for Dublin, and 2 Draws.
2013 - AIF Win.
2015 - AISF, Draw and Win
Last Week, Draw.

2002 to 2012 was very different.
2 x Championship matches - Mayo won both (2006 and 2012).
8 x League was Dublin 4 Wins, Mayo 3 Wins, 1 Draw (2009)."
Not looking too good for us in the replay, is it?

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 29/09/2016 13:39:56    1920494

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "5. Will Dublin be as bad up front again

I sure hope not but a lot of that was down to the Mayo defensive structure and the quality of players they have. Its easy to say Dublin won't be as bad up front again but actually executing this performance is a different matter. Dublin need to target areas that are difficult to defend (the diagonal ball to willing runners in the corner, breaking the lines with support runners etc.) and commit to this or Mayo will eat them up again.

6. Which players will have a great match and who's going to have a stinker

There are too many variables to guess. Brogan has got bad press but the quality of service he's received all year has been poor as Dublin have tended to meet packed defences and have elected to pick them off from distance rather than feed the inside line. If Dublin can get the right balance between the running game and the long ball, I'd predict BB to shine. For Mayo, DOC has all the attributes of a smashing footballer. He looked off the pace the first day but has had his injury problems. The extra 2 weeks may well get him back towards his "old" self so he could well be due a stormer.

7. Are we going to have our first 2 in a row in 10 years or will the 65 year curse be lifted

First two in a row (touch wood, fingers crossed, please God, four leaf clovers all round)."
Excellent post. As fair and balanced as a Finnish tightrope walker. I don't think Mayo will make any changes and Dublin possibly one. I would love if Jim left Bernard off but there isn't a hope in hell. I think Andrews might start. I don't think we'll get a full game out of Diarmuid as I'd say his training has been curtailed due to injury. I think he should have been replaced earlier the last day. Our ball into the forwards the last day was poor. I thought it was due to lack of movement inside but, on watching it back, it was just poor passing and taking the wrong option. I think Rock will have a big influence the next day as he has improved an awful lot from last year. If both play to their potential Dublin will win but that could be a big if. The nerves are at me now.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 29/09/2016 14:03:52    1920510

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "Not looking too good for us in the replay, is it?"
"Past performance is not an indicator of future results."

We Dubs supporters prefer to leave the find patterns/read tea leaves/remember curses to others. :)

Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 29/09/2016 14:09:03    1920511

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Replying To Jaden:  ""Past performance is not an indicator of future results."

We Dubs supporters prefer to leave the find patterns/read tea leaves/remember curses to others. :)"
Ouch.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 29/09/2016 15:57:58    1920573

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