I definitely think Paul Flynn, Mick McCauley and Bernard Brogan are looking over their shoulders now.
For me, Brogan usually plays better when Andrews is in the forward line with him. I'd be tempted to drop Flynn for Andrews and possibly start Kilkenny in the half back line with James McCarthy playing midfield instead of McCauley. I wouldn't drop Brogan simply because I don't think he makes the same impact coming off the bench should he play well. Teams still have to commit players to watch him.
For Mayo, I don't see Rochford making any changes. I think Aidan O'Se, although poor yesterday, will still get a start. However, I think Rochford should have subbed him, he can't afford to leave guys on the pitch if they're not performing. Perhaps Evan Regan has a shout to get a start but overall I think Rochford got his tactics, overall, spot on. The high ball into the full forward line didn't work in the first half but when they switched to their running game it exposed Dublin somewhat and they profited on it well

NavyNBlue (Dublin) - Posts: 1357 - 19/09/2016 10:50:05    1916103

What way do they work in now in the replay? Do they swap dressing rooms, order which they come out on to the pitch (or get to enter the tunnel to wait on the opposition) and end of the ground they go to warm up?

Also, is there anything in the constitution that makes reference to Senator ticket allocations for drawn All Ireland finals? Surely there is some sort of entitlement there?

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 19/09/2016 10:57:56    1916107

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 19/09/2016 11:07:10    1916115

Rock won't be dropped as the alternative for long range points is to bring up Cluxton - who's confidence won't be able to hack that extra pressure.

BlastCalyle (Mayo) - Posts: 206 - 19/09/2016 11:47:42    1916140

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 19/09/2016 12:02:56    1916151

First of all, Mayo didn't deserve to lose yesterday. Their ferocity and intensity was amazing and the way the applied themselves to the game was excellent. They took Dublin out of their comfort zone with the schmozzle in the tunnel as the teams came out. Its what you have to do. It would have been a travesty if Dublin had of won that game. That was a performance (By Dublin) of a team who where shocked by the intensity and physicality, work-rate and commitment that the opposition (Mayo) brought to the contest. We underestimated Mayo. We did, there is absolutely no doubt about it and despite winning by 5 at half time and 3 in the last 7 minutes, There was absolutely no way on this earth that we deserved to win and in many ways I'm glad we get another shot at it in two weeks time.

As for the question CroiGorm asked about celebrating, Would I have celebrated ? Absolutely I would have in the moment been delighted to come out of that game, with how we performed, retaining our title. Main words there being....in the moment. Upon reflection in the hours and morning after the game, Nah I don't think i'd have been too impressed with how we won the game if we had of held on. 9 points scored over 80 minutes of football is simply awful from a team who have set the bar so high in recent years by their own standards. It was such a weird game in that since the first goal, we weren't losing at all for the rest of the game, And still feel we deserved to lose + where blessed to get away with a draw. Jim Gavin knows as much and I'm glad that he was so honest in his assessment afterwards.

Moving forward, I can understand why Mayo fans might take issue with this, But I honestly believe they missed the boat yesterday. Jim Gavin and the lads will know they got away with it there yesterday, That performance was simply not good enough in any aspect. Only John Small, Brian Fenton and Cian O'Sullivan can come out of that game with any amount of credit in the bank, Cause it was awful. And we wont be that bad again, I'm not suggesting that we just turn up the next day and win, But I expect a better performance, I expect that under similar pressure from Mayo, We wont be so wasteful in our passing, get turned over as easily as we did yesterday, And produce so many basic unforced errors that broke down our attacks again.

We will have to change something. For me, Paddy Andrews has to start, Flynner drops out. I don't think Bernard has been good enough but I still believe that he is capable of shooting the lights out as we have seen his play badly and just produce something magic from nowhere. I think playing him still gives the Mayo defenders and management more sweats than a Paul Mannion would for example. Paul Flynn on the other hand isn't gonna rock up and score 3 or 4 points and if he isn't scoring, he is ineffectual. Although Brogan hasn't been playing well, Flynn hasn't looked fit all year. We've been carrying him. Time to drop him.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 19/09/2016 12:03:37    1916152

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 19/09/2016 12:07:40    1916157

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 19/09/2016 12:16:27    1916171

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 19/09/2016 12:30:52    1916190

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 19/09/2016 12:38:02    1916199

BlastCalyle (Mayo) - Posts: 206 - 19/09/2016 12:55:57    1916221

I fancy mayo, I think they went to croker yesterday with hope, in 2 wks time they will go with belief, yesterday was definitely a big confidence boost! Dublin have just made a very long road to winning back to backs that bit longer and imagine they will be some bit deflated after coming so close!

All the talk is about how dublin won't be as bad but I'm sure Aidan of Shea and diarmuid of connor will feel they can do a lot better!

Feel the momentum is with mayo so I reckon they will take home Sam Sunday wk

as_ky (Kerry) - Posts: 535 - 19/09/2016 12:56:58    1916223

I still believe Mayo will win it. Their focus was very admirable yesterday in spite of the concession of not one, but two own goals! They showed remarkable resolve to keep their heads and reel Dublin in twice. That adds character to a team and if I was them I'd be itching to play the replay today, never mind Saturday week.

Dublin will surely improve and Gavin has some big decisions to make regarding his starting 15. They are a whole lot better than they showed yesterday. I just think Mayo showed them once again yesterday that they won't be beaten in the physicality and fitness stakes, plus they won most of the individual battles.

If Aiden O'Shea can play more for the team and Mayo make better use of possession then I can see them winning the replay by 3-4 points.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9136 - 19/09/2016 13:56:29    1916280

I don't really buy into this notion that Dublin won't play that poorly again. They played poorly because Mayo got it spot on and nullfied their threats. There's no reason why they can't effectively do that again. That being said, the element of surprise is gone with Mayo now. They've shown their hand and Gavin will see what they're trying to do and make moves to counter it. There's definitely scope for improvement with some of Dublin's players, but let's not pretend that the likes of Brogan and Flynn haven't been poor all year. Neither should start the next day. Lee Keegan has had Diarmuid Connolly's number the last few times they've met too and there's no reason why he wouldn't have it again the next day.
On Mayo's side, there's definitely more they can get from Aidan O'Shea, but I think he could be marked out of it again. Seamus O'Shea is a borderline liability. The basic skills of the game seem to desert him at crucial moments. Not sure what's up with Diarmuid O'Connor but he's looked out of sorts since the qualifiers, carrying an injury perhaps?
I do think Dublin will be better the next day and if it's a fine day, that will suit their game. However, Mayo can and do get under their skin. They're probably the only team in the country who really do have the potential to beat Dublin. They don't seem to fear them at all and made Dublin look rather ordinary at points yesterday. I think they can do it again.

ZeitChrist (UK) - Posts: 154 - 19/09/2016 14:20:41    1916310

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/09/2016 15:32:03    1916366

I think the weather could have a major bearing on the replay outcome.

I feel Dublin have better, slicker forwards. Wet weather tends to disrupt intricate passing. It can turn a game into a dogfight which would suit Mayo more. Again just speculation.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 19/09/2016 15:36:45    1916376

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 19/09/2016 15:40:35    1916382

I'm Bullish enough today I have to admit and I hope our players are too. Just Home and the talk on the radio is along the lines here....Mayo missed the boat and Dublin will not play that bad again. We're we not three points down with mins left? I don't think either team played well. Mayo backs were very good and Dublin were also fairly good. It was a day for backs. Aidan O Se, Keith Higgins, Diarmuid O Connor, Seamus O Se all poor yesterday. Dublin didn't underestimate Mayo either....I fail to see how that could happen. IF Mayo play the same WA but Dublin are better fair enough but I can,t see us scoring two OG's either.....Christ half time was like a wake with whispers of the curse raining in the air. The most bizarre game I was ever at. Would only happen us. We must improve further to win the replay and I think we can and will.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 19/09/2016 15:48:27    1916394

I think one point that hasn't been mentioned much is it's difficult to put back to back football all-irelands. The talk is mostly of Dublin never playing as poorly again and having more scope to improve. However have Dublin the same ultra desire to win as they had in 11, 13 and 15? In attempting to put back to backs is there more pressure on a team than we realise..does it make that team a little more nervy? is there a mental fatigue factor? I presume there's a reason only Kerry 2006 and 2007 are the only team to do it in 26 years.

Personally i don't know and all will be revealed on October 1st!

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 19/09/2016 15:48:31    1916395

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 19/09/2016 15:52:41    1916401