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That Macauley Tackle

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Replying To Joe_Bloggs:  "Nah, it was a straight red.

Was deliberate and dangerous.

In rugby it'd be a spear tackle and that incurs a serious suspension.

The GAA has to wise up to some of this ridiculous dangerous play before someone gets properly injured.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:952 - 19/09/2016 12:14:13

A spear tackle?? Will ya stop."
I can't find a replay of it here.

My recollection of it was that he lifted him and dropped him. (Although I was a few pints in at that stage). Others on here have described it as a choke slam which would back that up.

Anyway dangerous stuff needs stamped out.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 19/09/2016 13:07:26    1916234

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The Macauley tackle was extremely dangerous and he should have walked. I'm not sure the ref saw it properly though.

ZeitChrist (UK) - Posts: 154 - 19/09/2016 13:32:59    1916256

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pat mcenaney was interviewed after the match with Marty Morrisey, and defended Lane's performance, which was so inconsistent. Stating that he may have aired on the side of caution and for the spirit of the game, not to brandish anymore black cards. Wonder did anyone have a word in his ear at half time, after sending mccarthy to the line, not to be making a spectacle of himself in the second half.

Japs_Eye (Fermanagh) - Posts: 14 - 19/09/2016 14:16:16    1916302

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Replying To Japs_Eye:  "pat mcenaney was interviewed after the match with Marty Morrisey, and defended Lane's performance, which was so inconsistent. Stating that he may have aired on the side of caution and for the spirit of the game, not to brandish anymore black cards. Wonder did anyone have a word in his ear at half time, after sending mccarthy to the line, not to be making a spectacle of himself in the second half."
Interesting username.

Yeah it was pretty noticeable in the second half he intended to let things go a bit. It didn't really happen yesterday but players can often cop out to it and the game can descend into seriously rough stuff. I think that's worse refereeing than simply making a few mistakes.

The McCarthy one I felt was the right call. He made it look somewhat innocuous but I think there was a deliberate intention to clear out O'Connor.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 19/09/2016 14:28:50    1916321

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Replying To Joxer:  "Well it's just logical isn't it. The forward just wants to get away from the back and score. Look at that incident again and who instigates it? Whelan on the general point of officials not nipping these things in the bud, is correct. There are enough officials to see and act on these incidents. The whole SG panel agreed on it."
That view is fairly simplistic. I was at a Connacht championship match last year and, in the first couple of minutes, a forward grabbed a defender around the neck off the ball. The usual skirmish on the ground ensued and both got booked. Who do you think benefited most? You can't assume, like Whelan did, that the defender is always the instigator.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 19/09/2016 15:22:48    1916356

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On reading this thread and totting up the incidents I reckon Dublin should have about four players on at the final whistle, Will you cop yourselves on FFS!! If the letter of the law was applied yeterday it would have been Cluxton and Clarke arm wrestling for Sam.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 19/09/2016 19:21:11    1916546

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I think the GAA should have a "Citing Official" at all championship games just like the rugby do and a serious offence can be re-assessed with video technology whether the referee has taken action or not.
McAuley's elbow crooking neck swing of and off O'Connor yesterday was full on dangerous. He should have walked and should be looking as at least two months on the sideline. If he knew that a citing officer could review this tackle irrespective of what the referee did he might have have thought differently about being so reckless.
Most other stuff in the game was handbags in comparison.
McCarthy should not have been black carded either for what was a minor transgression in comparison to MDMC's

dingle2 (Kerry) - Posts: 278 - 19/09/2016 20:18:52    1916585

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On the Keegan/ Connolly thing, I think Keegan is the instigator and the ref should be wise to this, book him the first time he's fouls Connolly and that will put a stop to it, if they tangle again book both and send keegan off with the second yellow, that will put manners on him.

TirChonaillabu2 (Donegal) - Posts: 344 - 19/09/2016 20:58:03    1916610

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "That view is fairly simplistic. I was at a Connacht championship match last year and, in the first couple of minutes, a forward grabbed a defender around the neck off the ball. The usual skirmish on the ground ensued and both got booked. Who do you think benefited most? You can't assume, like Whelan did, that the defender is always the instigator."
I'm not assuming anything. Like everyone else I saw the video. Keegan went out of his was to run over to Connolly and grab him. Did you not see this? If this isn't instigating then what is? Keegan, just like his encounters with Sean Cavanagh this year and Connolly last year, instigated it and hoped the forward picks up a card that ultimately will lead to him getting the line. It worked against Connolly last year and Cavanagh this year and he was clearly hoping that he had provoked Connolly enough yesyetday for Connolly to lash out and get a red. Whelan's point is valid, stamp it out by yellowing the instigator first. This applies to all counties.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 19/09/2016 21:23:18    1916637

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Replying To TirChonaillabu2:  "On the Keegan/ Connolly thing, I think Keegan is the instigator and the ref should be wise to this, book him the first time he's fouls Connolly and that will put a stop to it, if they tangle again book both and send keegan off with the second yellow, that will put manners on him."
You think Keegan was the instigator...................Based on what exactly ??

ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 650 - 19/09/2016 21:28:29    1916642

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Replying To arock:  "On reading this thread and totting up the incidents I reckon Dublin should have about four players on at the final whistle, Will you cop yourselves on FFS!! If the letter of the law was applied yeterday it would have been Cluxton and Clarke arm wrestling for Sam."
So we just ignore the rules then? That seems to be what happens at this stage of the championship.. If that was a game between Waterford and Carlow, then the game would have been an arm wrestle between the goalies..

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 19/09/2016 21:55:44    1916664

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Hope the ref is stronger and more consistent the next day A o Shea, C O Connir in addition to MDM should have seen black or red.

Jimmy Mac must have been wondering what the hell was going on watching that on the sideline.

I think Dublin will learn like the second game of the replay last year, not to get mixed up in the Mayo dark arts. Let's hope football wins and a team doesn't win an all Ireland through the dark arts.

Would be a hollow title.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 19/09/2016 22:21:49    1916677

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "That view is fairly simplistic. I was at a Connacht championship match last year and, in the first couple of minutes, a forward grabbed a defender around the neck off the ball. The usual skirmish on the ground ensued and both got booked. Who do you think benefited most? You can't assume, like Whelan did, that the defender is always the instigator."
I agree llaw it is more of a benifit to the forward get the defender booked .
and I wouldn't take any notice of the video clips as rte is a Dublin based TV station . they aren't going to anger their overlords by going against a dub.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 19/09/2016 22:24:02    1916680

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Replying To ponga:  "You think Keegan was the instigator...................Based on what exactly ??"
Based on the video evidence. Watch the Sunday Game. It clearly shows it.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 19/09/2016 22:24:17    1916681

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Replying To pdempsey:  "A lot of these incidents are being blown out of proportion from what I can see. There wasn't one proper punch thrown so we should all relax. McCarthy should not have got a black card - O'Connor made the most of the minimal contact. McAuley should've got yellow for his tackle on Cillian (which I think he did). The rest of the tackles were fairly innocuous and didn't deserve any action.
Keegan and Connolly were no better or worse than each other. Neither wanted to back down in the "I can hold onto your jersey for longer than you can hold onto mine" stakes."
I've been lurking on this site for 18 months and this is without doubt the most sensible thing I've seen posted. I'm convinced half the people on here never played football or hurling in their lives.

Beepee (Dublin) - Posts: 17 - 20/09/2016 00:00:01    1916701

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Straight red all day long. It amazes me how continues to get away with constant fouling and barging, he should have had a blatent black in the first half for a hand trip.
Hopefully there will be retrospective action taken against him but I won't hold my breath."
Are you looking for retrospective Red for Lee Keegan pulling DC to the ground as highlighted by SG. Keegan gets away constantly year after year and game after game.

murphy32 (USA) - Posts: 15 - 20/09/2016 01:27:18    1916718

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Replying To TirChonaillabu2:  "On the Keegan/ Connolly thing, I think Keegan is the instigator and the ref should be wise to this, book him the first time he's fouls Connolly and that will put a stop to it, if they tangle again book both and send keegan off with the second yellow, that will put manners on him."
What if Keegan gets the first ball and Connolly fouls him. I suppose Connolly gets away with it cos hes a forward??

Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 20/09/2016 09:32:45    1916751

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From what I saw on the TV I thought both Keegan and Connolly were as bad as each other. Although Connolly was sailing very close to the wind by raising his hand to Keegan's face. The best bet would be for the ref to book both of them early on.

Michael Darragh should have got a red card for that clothes line tackle, it was a really dangerous and high tackle. You just can't have those kind of tackles being allowed, could lead to a serious neck or head injury.

James McCarthy was very unlucky, pretty harmless stuff, not even a yellow card in my opinion.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 20/09/2016 09:41:48    1916757

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Replying To Joxer:  "I'm not assuming anything. Like everyone else I saw the video. Keegan went out of his was to run over to Connolly and grab him. Did you not see this? If this isn't instigating then what is? Keegan, just like his encounters with Sean Cavanagh this year and Connolly last year, instigated it and hoped the forward picks up a card that ultimately will lead to him getting the line. It worked against Connolly last year and Cavanagh this year and he was clearly hoping that he had provoked Connolly enough yesyetday for Connolly to lash out and get a red. Whelan's point is valid, stamp it out by yellowing the instigator first. This applies to all counties."
I saw a video over the weekend of Connollys sending off incident from last year. It was a video on Pundit Arena or some of them and videoed by somebody in the crowd. Keegan is running towards his own goal keeping an eye on Connolly and Connolly throws the first punch and they end of wrestling on the ground.

I suppose it was Keegan who instigated the row between Connolly and Philly McMahon in that club game a few years ago too?

Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 20/09/2016 09:46:05    1916765

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Replying To Joe_Bloggs:  "I saw a video over the weekend of Connollys sending off incident from last year. It was a video on Pundit Arena or some of them and videoed by somebody in the crowd. Keegan is running towards his own goal keeping an eye on Connolly and Connolly throws the first punch and they end of wrestling on the ground.

I suppose it was Keegan who instigated the row between Connolly and Philly McMahon in that club game a few years ago too?"
Eh are you talking about these 2 hand-offs here from Connolly as Keegan tries to block his run. That's a black card, blocking somebody's run. And who drags who to the ground around the neck and holds him in a headlock?

Must try harder bud!

http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/diarmuid-connolly-made-a-serious-allegation-against-lee-keegan-after-their-tangle-in-croke-park/40833

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 20/09/2016 10:31:53    1916791

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