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Total Rubbish! Cillian O'Connor clearly stepped into James McCarthys path, absolutely no relevance on open play. Scandalous decision among many others in what was a shocking performance by the refereee. MDM commited two clear black card offences,McLoughlin one for Mayo. Referee got so much wrong he totally lost it. salvador (Roscommon) - Posts: 439 - 19/09/2016 08:45:33 1916007 Link 1 |
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How do people think the last 7-8 minutes would have played out without the black card. BlastCalyle (Mayo) - Posts: 206 - 19/09/2016 09:12:56 1916018 Link 1 |
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I thought when the ref gave McCarthy it was the correct decision. The ref was laying down a marker that he wasn't going to take any crap, All Ireland Final or not and considering what happened before the the game started that was the correct message to send. But then the ref bottled it, he could easily have issued 3 / 4 black card after that but he didn't and that's what is wrong. Refs are over thinking the consequences of their actions instead of applying the rules. If the ref had issued the next clear black card which I think was MDM then Dublin fans would have been totally enraged but it would have been the correct thing to do. It would have sent a clear signal to all the players and management that he wasn't for taking crap. Instead when the ref bottled it he sent out the message that "I have given out 1 black card, I don't want to mess up the game so I wouldn't give out anymore." It was then free for all and the ref gave yellow card to look like he was doing something. The black card it a good idea, if used right but in any game I have witnessed at either club or county the refs have bottled out of giving them once they have issued the first one. anto_meath (Meath) - Posts: 108 - 19/09/2016 10:06:07 1916057 Link 1 |
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The inconsistency is there due gaa committees. Refs aren't being backed with their decisions. Eoghan o gara v donegal and his ban overturned being a perfect case in point. I guarantee had the ref issued six black cards, the same people who are decrying inconsistency would be saying "he was too harsh", and "he's not that type of player" etc, and of course, the GAA committees would listen to public opinion, most of the same public who have no clue of the rules and overturn decisions where the ref applied the rules correctly. That's when you hear those joyous sayings of "common sense refereeing" and "letting the game flow". When this happens, you get refs who are afraid to make big decisions because they want the big games later on. Action equals reaction, when the rules are applied inconsistently in the boardroom, you'll get the same on the pitch. galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 19/09/2016 10:06:12 1916058 Link 1 |
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I don't want to be moaning about referees after a game but I can't help it today. I don't think he cost Dublin or Mayo the game or anything, but his inconsistency really made a mess of the game. Whatever about the black cards, he didn't punish persistent fouling well enough. He tried to let the game flow and then would blow up for some really silly things, slowing the game down at times. NavyNBlue (Dublin) - Posts: 1357 - 19/09/2016 10:13:50 1916067 Link 0 |
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McCarthy deliberately ran straight into O'Connor, it shouldn't be up to O'Connor to move out of his way. It was a third man tackle and a clear black card. It was harsh considering some of the other stuff that was let go but it was a textbook black nonetheless. It was the linesman that called that one if I remember correctly anyway, not the ref. Ref wasn't that bad, let a lot of things go but I don't think he was biased towards either team and tried to ref it fairly, a little out of his depth perhaps. There was off the ball stuff everywhere and the players slipping and sliding all over due to the conditions so it wasn't easy for him. I wouldn't be a ref for love nor money. It's a thankless task where your every decision is picked over with the benefit of slow motion replays from several angles and everybody is an expert. Going back to the black card it's laughable at this stage, GAA need to decide whether to implement it or get rid. This lucky dip scenario where one player per game gets the line and everybody else is left off is not fair to the players. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 19/09/2016 10:16:10 1916070 Link 0 |
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McCarthy ran straight into him from distance. He could easily have avoided him. O'Connor's movement was to brace himself for the collision. Stone wall black card. Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 19/09/2016 10:37:55 1916089 Link 0 |
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Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 19/09/2016 11:12:45 1916119 Link 0 |
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Anto He didn't give McCauley any card for that trip coz if he did then he'd have had to give him a red for the neck breaker on coc. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 19/09/2016 11:40:12 1916131 Link 0 |
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O'Shea getting a yellow card was actually the right call because the ball wasn't in play and therefore couldn't be a black card. I do agree with you though about getting rid of the black card. It's impossible to implement correctly. I actually felt sorry for the ref yesterday because there was so much stuff happening on and off the ball. He actually missed the McCarthy incident because he would of awarded a free to Mayo had he seen it. McCarthy would of got away with it too only for it happened right in front of the linesman. I went on a bit of a rant earlier in the year about the stupidy of the rule of a black card for an offensive foul after a Donegal player got a black card for a similar challenge to McCarthy's against Monaghan in the Ulster championship so I understand why people find it ridiculous but as it was pointed out to me then the offence does warrant a black card as per the rules. I thought MDM and Cillian O'Connor were luckiest to escape black cards yesterday but at least COC got a yellow for his. MDM got no card for his trip in the first half and would of been sent off for the yellow card he picked up in the 2nd half if he had been booked. I thought Lee Keegan was also fortunate to escape a possible black for dragging down Connolly off the ball in the lead up to Dublin's first goal or at least a booking. Connolly could also have been booked for a round the neck challenge later in the game so both lads were lucky to remain on the field for the whole game considering they both picked up yellows for a different tussle. As I said earlier it's hard for the ref to see everything and he only has a spilt second to make up his mind. Who'd be a ref??
Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 19/09/2016 11:55:47 1916145 Link 0 |
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Most neutrals and even most of the Dubs agree that players from both teams should have been black carded. You on the other hand can only see offences being committed by Mayo players. On second thoughts my bad, maybe you are being consistent.
Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 19/09/2016 12:09:17 1916161 Link 0 |
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I completely disagree with you. You have to apply some common sense to things. The rules can't cover every scenario, so the ref has to use his judgment. They should be smart people we should be able to trust their common sense. If they get something wrong it should be addressed at a later date. It's not fair on a player to have further punishment if it's not deserved. Likewise retrospective action should be applied to those deserving of it. Eoghan O'Gara's should not have been a red. It realistically was not a strike, there needs to be a decent level of force for something to be considered a strike. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 19/09/2016 12:23:51 1916182 Link 0 |
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I know he didn't give him a card. I said he should have given him a card but if he did then the Dublin fans would have went mental so the ref bottled it. However if the ref had to have given this card the remaining players on the pitch would been provided with a clear message that the ref wasn't in the humor of taking any messing. As i seen someone refer to the the "black card" as the "lucky dip" some times the ref gives them and some time he doesn't. It depends on the humor of the ref and not on the actual rules strangely enough.
anto_meath (Meath) - Posts: 108 - 19/09/2016 16:35:57 1916448 Link 0 |
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Too many people on this forum listen to the boys on RTE about the black card. The lads went nuts about it but only Pat tried to kind of justify why it wasn't one, the others just said it wasn't without saying why it wasn't. Did the Dublin player collide with a Mayo player who was part defending against the player with the ball? "Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play." While there were clearly others also in the game I do not think that MDM was one in the first half, did he "Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot"? the key here is deliberately, and to me he didn't running behind him he had no reason to do it, if you look at his motions it was to me one of those feet getting caught up. Then again we never saw another angle of it. The ref was consistent in that he didn't give black cards - as the linesman gave him no option for the first. So yes he didn't have a great game but not just because of the cards. Time and time again defenders played the players body not the ball and that is what resulted in all the turnovers under greasy conditions. You don't have to be good at defending if all you have to do is wallop the players arms and the ball pops out. Perhaps on a dry day it would have been better and found it hard to judge what was a genuine foul or just a dropped ball. The playing rules of the GAA are available online for anyone who wants to read them and learn about them. zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 19/09/2016 17:09:42 1916483 Link 0 |
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It takes far more b**ls to be a referee than get on here and complain about them.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 19/09/2016 17:13:03 1916489 Link 0 |
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Checked the rules and regulations there. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 19/09/2016 17:58:45 1916520 Link 0 |