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Replying To royaldunne: "But they were getting more money, Common economic and business sense dictates you sell to highest bidder , is it not? As I said if tv3 pay more they should get it, Lets say you go to a auction (just as a example) and are bidding on something, you have the highest bid, but the auctioneer sells to the lower bidder, it doesn't happen. The GAA are entitled to sell the media deal to whoever pays the most, . If they sell for example to tv3 for 200k even if sky is offering lets say 350k , what sort of precedent does that set, ?? Both tv3 and RTÉ are well aware that the uproar from certain elements, they can say , hey lets give pittance as we know they cant go to sky, Does that make any sense? How would that help any of the volunteers? Clubs? Cb? The game as a whole? It would be a race to the bottom if you take the option of sky off the table. Its common sense" Not necessarily maximising profits isn't necessarily the only objective. Money should play a part in the decisions but there are other factors that can make another lower bid be better overall. It happens all the time. Simple example dragons den- someone refuses the best bid as they know another person has more experience. I gave the example of a homeowner letting to a family over a group of students paying more. Look the GAA has decided to prioritise profit over its members. Huge swathes of the GAA membership is getting repeatedly shafted by recent policy decisions. The South West which tends to be poorer and less able to be in a position to afford Sky, who are more in need of it as the overall cost of attending games is higher for them get disproportionately shafted. They are getting neglected also with the development funding, which is due to be expanded beyond Dublin into the rest of the East. Whilst these policies on their own are completely irrational, combined they cumulatively are shafting a huge section of the association, I am dubious as to how good that is long term. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 14/09/2016 22:03:18 1914397 Link
Replying To arock: "What? TG4 is an Irish language public service broadcaster - serving the public, if you don't like the language turn off the sound, there is nothing "exclusive" about TG4 just push the button doesn't cost that much." eh have u been lying under a rock?..most people in ireland dont speak irish and they have had exclusive rights to league and club matches for years..so how are they not exclusive?...you do understand what exclusive means? alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/09/2016 22:03:54 1914399 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "But they weren't getting much more money from sky over tv3. Well the fact that the only people who seem to be in favour of the sky deal are people who have it which backs up my point of the people of Ireland being selfish and only worrying about themselves. Just for the record I have access to sky in my house and watched all the games this years championship that weren't on rte on it. I still don't think they should have it because there are a lot of people who can not afford it. You keep on ignoring the fact that the GAA is amateur and voluntary throughout. The other sports you speak of are all professional where everyone is making money." yes and lets completely ignore a lot of those without sky hate the sky deal but whatever suits your agenda..surely the gaa should be getting the best value...if tv3 want the rights why dont they pay instead of spending it on rugby and other sports?...most of these people seem to have 0 issue with setanta having most of the good league games....and i thought this was all about the volunteers?..because league is as important as anything then alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/09/2016 22:07:27 1914403 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "Everyone other than the players is getting paid in college sports and a lot of those players are getting paid on the side. The players actually receive money for their likeness in games too.." not everyone is being paid..some are being paid..and players are banned and stripped of achievements etc if they are found being paid..and there is a hell of a lot more money involved there than in gaa...and u ignore a lot of people are being paid in gaa especially managers and backroom teams as well as club secretaries..those involved in croke park etc......how many people are dublin paying at the minute?..this volunteer stuff doesnt hold weight with reality..refs are also paid alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/09/2016 22:09:46 1914407 Link
Replying To alano12: "not everyone is being paid..some are being paid..and players are banned and stripped of achievements etc if they are found being paid..and there is a hell of a lot more money involved there than in gaa...and u ignore a lot of people are being paid in gaa especially managers and backroom teams as well as club secretaries..those involved in croke park etc......how many people are dublin paying at the minute?..this volunteer stuff doesnt hold weight with reality..refs are also paid" county secretaries i mean alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/09/2016 22:17:39 1914414 Link
A lot of people on here using the excuse that other sports charge why not us. I don't think that argument washes really. We're a unique sport with our own set of circumstances, it's our responsibility to do what's right for us. As for the likes of soccer, rugby, cricket, American football are these sports really good examples of how to run a sport. Soccer- huge corruption issues right at the top of the game. Top clubs pricing their fans out of games, leading to protests from a number of those fans groups. World Cups being awarded to developing nations who havent the resources to afford the tournaments, being left with huge stadia that there's no need for. UEFA being bullied by a small number of powerful elite clubs looking for more control over the club football landscape- all for the sake of profit. Rugby- European Champions Cup debacle where English and French clubs held the ERC to ransom looking for more power over the club rugby scene. Struggling to negotiate a new playing calendar because all parties want to maximise profits for the aspect of the game they're in control over. Player welfare at an all time low. Included in this is the Lions tour coming directly off the back of a gruelling European club season. What is the overarching thread running through these problems. Money being prioritised over the well being of individuals. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 14/09/2016 22:26:56 1914417 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "Not necessarily maximising profits isn't necessarily the only objective. Money should play a part in the decisions but there are other factors that can make another lower bid be better overall. It happens all the time. Simple example dragons den- someone refuses the best bid as they know another person has more experience. I gave the example of a homeowner letting to a family over a group of students paying more. Look the GAA has decided to prioritise profit over its members. Huge swathes of the GAA membership is getting repeatedly shafted by recent policy decisions. The South West which tends to be poorer and less able to be in a position to afford Sky, who are more in need of it as the overall cost of attending games is higher for them get disproportionately shafted. They are getting neglected also with the development funding, which is due to be expanded beyond Dublin into the rest of the East. Whilst these policies on their own are completely irrational, combined they cumulatively are shafting a huge section of the association, I am dubious as to how good that is long term." the idea thats down to a small tv deal is quite laughable though which is being used as the scapegoat..the issue is the gaa not allocating funds all around the country and prioritising the 'pale' as one would describe it alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/09/2016 22:32:30 1914421 Link
The only people officially getting paid in the gaa are those in the professional wing, ie, Croke Park Officials. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 14/09/2016 22:36:26 1914426 Link
Replying To alano12: "yes and lets completely ignore a lot of those without sky hate the sky deal but whatever suits your agenda..surely the gaa should be getting the best value...if tv3 want the rights why dont they pay instead of spending it on rugby and other sports?...most of these people seem to have 0 issue with setanta having most of the good league games....and i thought this was all about the volunteers?..because league is as important as anything then" I have stated I am not in favour of setanta having the league. Setanta however picked it up when no one else wanted it. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 14/09/2016 22:42:28 1914430 Link
Replying To alano12: "not everyone is being paid..some are being paid..and players are banned and stripped of achievements etc if they are found being paid..and there is a hell of a lot more money involved there than in gaa...and u ignore a lot of people are being paid in gaa especially managers and backroom teams as well as club secretaries..those involved in croke park etc......how many people are dublin paying at the minute?..this volunteer stuff doesnt hold weight with reality..refs are also paid" Refs are getting pittance. If the gaa want people to pay to watch sport then they need to become a professional organisation and start paying their players, refs, managers etc. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 14/09/2016 22:45:07 1914432 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "A lot of people on here using the excuse that other sports charge why not us. I don't think that argument washes really. We're a unique sport with our own set of circumstances, it's our responsibility to do what's right for us. As for the likes of soccer, rugby, cricket, American football are these sports really good examples of how to run a sport. Soccer- huge corruption issues right at the top of the game. Top clubs pricing their fans out of games, leading to protests from a number of those fans groups. World Cups being awarded to developing nations who havent the resources to afford the tournaments, being left with huge stadia that there's no need for. UEFA being bullied by a small number of powerful elite clubs looking for more control over the club football landscape- all for the sake of profit. Rugby- European Champions Cup debacle where English and French clubs held the ERC to ransom looking for more power over the club rugby scene. Struggling to negotiate a new playing calendar because all parties want to maximise profits for the aspect of the game they're in control over. Player welfare at an all time low. Included in this is the Lions tour coming directly off the back of a gruelling European club season. What is the overarching thread running through these problems. Money being prioritised over the well being of individuals." yes and giving a certain region way more funding than the rest put together is hardly right for us now is it?..as thats largely the main issue which hurts the sport..not a tv deal with a few qualifier games alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/09/2016 22:52:13 1914434 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "Refs are getting pittance. If the gaa want people to pay to watch sport then they need to become a professional organisation and start paying their players, refs, managers etc." they are being paid...people in certain other sports are being paid pittance..stop treating the gaa as something different..its not..managers at club level are paid lots of money in numerous counties...and you have your head in the sand if you dont think certain players are being paid especially in dublin similar to how an ncaa athlete is being paid or given gifts..the gaa have been making people pay to watch the sport for years through the league on setanta a deal which they recently renewed i believe?...to put all of this hyperbole down to a small tv deal with only a few exclusive games ignores the actual major issues in the organisation such as championship structure..big and small counties..level of funding..are some counties actually professional etc... alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/09/2016 22:55:42 1914436 Link
Replying To supersub15: "The only people officially getting paid in the gaa are those in the professional wing, ie, Croke Park Officials." 'officially' but anybody with a clue knows whats going on alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/09/2016 22:56:34 1914438 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "I have stated I am not in favour of setanta having the league. Setanta however picked it up when no one else wanted it." yes but where are you and others going in hard on them over hurting volunteers etc....there hasnt been a word said about setanta until it was brought up...i wonder is it because a lot of people have a package that has setanta?..such selfish people in this country..if your on sky i believe you have to pay extra for setanta which is every bit as bad alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/09/2016 22:58:18 1914440 Link
Replying To alano12: "not everyone is being paid..some are being paid..and players are banned and stripped of achievements etc if they are found being paid..and there is a hell of a lot more money involved there than in gaa...and u ignore a lot of people are being paid in gaa especially managers and backroom teams as well as club secretaries..those involved in croke park etc......how many people are dublin paying at the minute?..this volunteer stuff doesnt hold weight with reality..refs are also paid" " Players are banned & stripped of achievements" , can you give a specific example of who & where this happened, I would be very interested in knowing. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 14/09/2016 23:01:06 1914441 Link
Replying To alano12: "the idea thats down to a small tv deal is quite laughable though which is being used as the scapegoat..the issue is the gaa not allocating funds all around the country and prioritising the 'pale' as one would describe it" I don't understand this small TV deal talk. http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-facing-15-million-loss-if-sky-sports-are-forced-out-34484110.html So despite the GAA spin of this is for the emigrants, this is to get more people to matches that is not what this is about. It's about money and I'd trust them more if they came out and f8cking admitted it. You know what money is important, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking it's the only thing that's important. Look as I have said already I am not wholly against a sky deal. It needs to be the best for the association, 85% of congress decided that it was. I hope that these guys are trustworthy. A genuine question though, what proportion of the people voting at congress are paid by the GAA? I'd suspect their jobs would become under pressure if the GAA didn't maintain its revenue streams. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 14/09/2016 23:41:29 1914464 Link
Replying To moc.dna: "" Players are banned & stripped of achievements" , can you give a specific example of who & where this happened, I would be very interested in knowing." look up the fab five...reggie bush etc...has happened on countless occasions..there are ncaa violations every year..enes kanter a current nba player couldnt play college basketball over it i believe alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 15/09/2016 01:39:52 1914489 Link
Replying To alano12: "'officially' but anybody with a clue knows whats going on" GAA director-general Paraic Duffy has already expressed opposition to introducing a free-to-air rule, stating that it would "seriously reduce our negotiating power." Irish Independent For more than 20 years the GAA had repeatedly said it would never do a deal with Sky. It made these assurances in speeches and in interviews and in letters to government. The reasons for refusal to deal with Sky were set out brilliantly by the Association's General Secretary Páraic Duffy when interviewed by Michael Moynihan for his GAAconomics book, published in late 2013. Mr. Duffy said the GAA would not sell TV rights to Sky because it could not do so even if only 10% of the population didn't have Sky. He continued: 'There's a sense the GAA belongs to everybody in Ireland, that it's in every parish and village, and that there'd be enormous resistance if we were to take the games off free-to-air, even though the majority (sic) of the population probably has access to Sky.' Six months later, Mr. Duffy announced that a deal had been done with Sky. The collapse in viewership that occurs is apparent across every sport. In the case of the GAA, "the average viewership on TV3 for GAA matches in 2013 was 288,900 - that is more than 10 times higher than the Sky average for 2014 and 2015". For an organisation which makes such play about its community base and its commitment to sport-for-all, it is difficult to see how this change make sense or fits with its proclaimed ethos. And, in the context of the financial pressures people across the country have been facing since the crash, was it really fair to do this? The mind boggles, don't you think.?? - - politics, politics, and all that. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 15/09/2016 12:47:44 1914592 Link
Replying To alano12: "look up the fab five...reggie bush etc...has happened on countless occasions..there are ncaa violations every year..enes kanter a current nba player couldnt play college basketball over it i believe" We are not discussing NBA, we are discussing Gaa & that's why I posed the question to you as your insinuation in your point was that so many in the Gaa were being paid. You gave the example of county secretaries. Then you came out with some players being banned & fined, when you were then asked for examples you start quoting about NBA players ? You change tack to suit your arguement all the time, you will now tell us this is what you meant, lol. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 15/09/2016 13:22:15 1914604 Link
A lot of people on here using the excuse that other sports charge why not us. I don't think that argument washes really. We're a unique sport with our own set of circumstances, it's our responsibility to do what's right for us. As for the likes of soccer, rugby, cricket, American football are these sports really good examples of how to run a sport. Soccer- huge corruption issues right at the top of the game. Top clubs pricing their fans out of games, leading to protests from a number of those fans groups. World Cups being awarded to developing nations who havent the resources to afford the tournaments, being left with huge stadia that there's no need for. UEFA being bullied by a small number of powerful elite clubs looking for more control over the club football landscape- all for the sake of profit. Rugby- European Champions Cup debacle where English and French clubs held the ERC to ransom looking for more power over the club rugby scene. Struggling to negotiate a new playing calendar because all parties want to maximise profits for the aspect of the game they're in control over. Player welfare at an all time low. Included in this is the Lions tour coming directly off the back of a gruelling European club season. What is the overarching thread running through these problems. Money being prioritised over the well being of individuals. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:935 - 14/09/2016 22:26:56The argument about other sports doing it is very valid. Just look at America and college sports which are strictly amateur and the penalties around that for paying players yet the fees for tv etc are huge. What sports would you look at as a good example then? ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 15/09/2016 14:59:32 1914650 Link