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Replying To gotmilk: "But what about those who dont have sky? Out of curiosity how many of you who are advocating sky don't have sky?" Sky is not that expensive.
People are well able to spend many multiples of what it costs for sky for 3 months on things that are not essential products so why is it unfair to have to pay for sky when you have to pay for everything else in this world.The GAA charge people to attend the games and people seem to accept that.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 10/09/2016 18:54:27
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Because it cost a lot of money to run a club.
The money the GAA generates at central level can't cover all the costs of all the clubs in the association.
The Sky deal is another example of Irish people natural instict to just whinge over everything.It's the reason we have so many of these idiotic populist parish pump politicians in this country" Dont understand that post. "Whinge over everything"? Its not a whinge. Its a very legitimate complaint.
Im very sorry but when a global behemoth corporation comes along and uses its financial might to say to ordinary people "You see those game that you've been watching for free? Well we're gonna take them from you and we're not giving them back unless you pay us", then people have every right to "whinge".
I only wish that there were more of these "parish pump politicians" to take on these extremely extremely wealthy businesses.
joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 10/09/2016 19:15:06
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Replying To joncarter: "Dont understand that post. "Whinge over everything"? Its not a whinge. Its a very legitimate complaint.
Im very sorry but when a global behemoth corporation comes along and uses its financial might to say to ordinary people "You see those game that you've been watching for free? Well we're gonna take them from you and we're not giving them back unless you pay us", then people have every right to "whinge".
I only wish that there were more of these "parish pump politicians" to take on these extremely extremely wealthy businesses." Complete bull.
They charge an admission fee to go to games why is this any different.
You are anybody else has no entitlement to watch any form of entertainment for free.I have to pay for any film I watch or any book I read why should sport be any different,
Congress voted in favour of letting the rights be sold to whoever the GAA want to so the ordinary man has spoken and allowed the GAA to sell the rights to Sky if they want.
This is just more whinging from people who think they are entitled to everything and don't want to pay for anything.A lot of people complaining about this deal are the same people who complain about the GAA not distributing enough money and clubs being short of funds which is quite ironic because the more money the GAA can get from TV rights the more money it can distribute to clubs.
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Complete bull.
They charge an admission fee to go to games why is this any different.
You are anybody else has no entitlement to watch any form of entertainment for free.I have to pay for any film I watch or any book I read why should sport be any different,
Congress voted in favour of letting the rights be sold to whoever the GAA want to so the ordinary man has spoken and allowed the GAA to sell the rights to Sky if they want.
This is just more whinging from people who think they are entitled to everything and don't want to pay for anything.A lot of people complaining about this deal are the same people who complain about the GAA not distributing enough money and clubs being short of funds which is quite ironic because the more money the GAA can get from TV rights the more money it can distribute to clubs." Nonsense. I dont believe that people think that everything should be free, but if they did, id be quicker to take their side than take the side of a corporation that believes that everything should cost alot of money and that they are the ones who should be receiving that money.
I genuinely believe we are heading toward the day when even if you want to take your kids to the beach on a summers day you'll have to pay some government dept or some corporation, and if that happens I,m sure there'll be plenty of people who try and justify it by saying "sure you had to pay for the car to drive there in the first place, so whats the difference"?
joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 10/09/2016 19:58:03
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Sky is not that expensive.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts:967 - 10/09/2016 18:54:27
Nothing is that expense when you can afford it.
I've no massive problem with Sky getting the rights but I'd still rather that the games weren't behind a pay wall. Less people get to see the games which isn't great imo and an extra expense is added on for GAA people to watch a game.
Everything costs money as you've said but it is not whinging when people point out that it isn't ideal that Sky getting the rights means an extra expense on top of all the other expenses people have when following the Championships.
Imo Sky's offer wasn't good enough to justify putting the Championship games behind a paywall. Their offer was only marginally more than what TV3 had already been paying. I think that in order to ask GAA fans to shell out more money to follow the Championship the Association needed to be getting significantly more money from Sky to justify it.
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Replying To MesAmis: "Sky is not that expensive.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts:967 - 10/09/2016 18:54:27
Nothing is that expense when you can afford it.
I've no massive problem with Sky getting the rights but I'd still rather that the games weren't behind a pay wall. Less people get to see the games which isn't great imo and an extra expense is added on for GAA people to watch a game.
Everything costs money as you've said but it is not whinging when people point out that it isn't ideal that Sky getting the rights means an extra expense on top of all the other expenses people have when following the Championships.
Imo Sky's offer wasn't good enough to justify putting the Championship games behind a paywall. Their offer was only marginally more than what TV3 had already been paying. I think that in order to ask GAA fans to shell out more money to follow the Championship the Association needed to be getting significantly more money from Sky to justify it." you make some solid points but a lot of the criticism sky is getting is a lot of whinging and usual people being negative and finding a negative...overall if sky are offering more money than its more money for clubs although i agree with you that gaa should probably be charging them a little extra but neither of us are experts on how these talks went down so
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there is a lot of people out there who think they are entitled to everything...pity the poor man utd fan in manchester who has his team only shown behind 2 seperate subscription channels
id like to see sky bid for the league especially as it needs a decent broadcaster
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Sky is not that expensive.
People are well able to spend many multiples of what it costs for sky for 3 months on things that are not essential products so why is it unfair to have to pay for sky when you have to pay for everything else in this world.The GAA charge people to attend the games and people seem to accept that." Bullsh*t. Sky isn't expensive for those who can afford it. This is what is wrong with Ireland at the minute. It's the i'm alright Jack mentality. Look at the amount of people living under the poverty line in Ireland. I'm sure Sky isn't to expensive for them. Whats the price of a full sky packet in the RoI anyway?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 10/09/2016 22:01:27
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Replying To alano12: " Replying To MesAmis: "Sky is not that expensive.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts:967 - 10/09/2016 18:54:27
Nothing is that expense when you can afford it.
I've no massive problem with Sky getting the rights but I'd still rather that the games weren't behind a pay wall. Less people get to see the games which isn't great imo and an extra expense is added on for GAA people to watch a game.
Everything costs money as you've said but it is not whinging when people point out that it isn't ideal that Sky getting the rights means an extra expense on top of all the other expenses people have when following the Championships.
Imo Sky's offer wasn't good enough to justify putting the Championship games behind a paywall. Their offer was only marginally more than what TV3 had already been paying. I think that in order to ask GAA fans to shell out more money to follow the Championship the Association needed to be getting significantly more money from Sky to justify it." you make some solid points but a lot of the criticism sky is getting is a lot of whinging and usual people being negative and finding a negative...overall if sky are offering more money than its more money for clubs although i agree with you that gaa should probably be charging them a little extra but neither of us are experts on how these talks went down so"
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 10/09/2016 22:36:08
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Replying To alano12: "there is a lot of people out there who think they are entitled to everything...pity the poor man utd fan in manchester who has his team only shown behind 2 seperate subscription channels
id like to see sky bid for the league especially as it needs a decent broadcaster" Completely agree
rebelfan (Cork) - Posts: 70 - 10/09/2016 23:23:58
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Replying To witnof: "So no debate. You are right and that's it. You can disagree with everything I say and I must accept it?? Any time people object to negative opinions about the GAA the likes of yourself shout out 'the big bullying GAA is always trying to silence critics'.
Some points:
1. 'No one has the right to see all the games' was the statement. Today you cannot see all the games so what is different?? When did RTE ever show all the GAA matches? When?
2. The GAA made no more money from SKY than they did with TV3. People like yourself forget this. I wonder if the objection to SKY is not also based on the fact they are a British company. Why no objection to Setanta/Eir getting the league?? Why did RTE never show the League??
Aside from that why did they go to SKY for the same money as TV3??
I believe it was, and rightly so, to pressurise RTE. You want to give RTE a monopoly and let them know they can keep that monopoly. Why? Monopolies have always been proven to be negative to the customers, no matter what sector.
3. You then bring up the GPA.The GPA when 'integrated' into the GAA started to get money. This is not a new. So you object to the GAA giving money to the GPA, then others will turn around and complain the GAA do not do enough for the inter-county players. Which is it??
The only argument you can make about the money going to the GPA is that is too little or too much. But you have produced no figures, just again the GAA are wrong because you disagree. And remember the monies going to the GPA are indexed linked per se (% of revenue etc) so it is not a financial burden that will grow out of all proportion.
To conclude:
The GAA are right to manage our TV rights and the finances with it. People forget it is actually a competition for money with other sports. Or should they allow all the money to go to other sports?? I for one, and there are others, believe the GAA has a fairly good balance, vast majority of games to RTE and some to SKY to keep RTE honest.
I will state it again. The GAA is a superbly run organisation. Not without its faults, but then again since it is 90% volunteer driven this is more than normal.
The revenues generated are ploughed back in a level beyond comparison to any other sport, and it handles it finances very very well.
In my opinion, which I am allowed to have even if you disgaree, is that no other sports structure in Ireland can hold a light to it. Not the IRFU, not the FAI, not the OCI....none of them." Where did I say no debate ? To point out a number of things, 1/ RTE did show league highlights from around the country on Sunday nights. 2/ In relation to the GPA you ask me which is it with the GPA, I am anti GPA & believe they get two much funding whilst only representing 2% of registered Gaa players. . You asked for figures, The latest agreement sees them getting €6.2 million for 2017/2019 an increase of €4.2 million from 2015 when it was €2million. They get €2.5 million or 15% of net central commercial revenue or whichever is greater per annum. 3/ Sky deal only brought in €0.5 million per year above what TV3 were paying. the main selling point for the Sky deal was the Diaspora in Britain having access to the games & according to Paraic Duffy at the time 11 million homes in Britain would have access to games. However only 4 million homes have Sky Sports in Britain ? Also previously the diaspora could get over 100 games from Setanta/ Premier sports for €10 a month & Sky are €30 a month ? The viewing figures for Sky versus TV3 & RTE are way down. Average viewing for TV3 was 288,900, ten times higher than Sky ! To get a brillant insight into this argument you need to look up a brillant report by Dr Paul Rouse of the school of History & Archives in UCD. His report Sports Rights Commercialization Revisited: Sky & Gaa. This is a brillant report that exposes a lot of facts on this matter.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 10/09/2016 23:50:22
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Replying To gotmilk: "Bullsh*t. Sky isn't expensive for those who can afford it. This is what is wrong with Ireland at the minute. It's the i'm alright Jack mentality. Look at the amount of people living under the poverty line in Ireland. I'm sure Sky isn't to expensive for them. Whats the price of a full sky packet in the RoI anyway?" As we all know people spend lots of money on things that are non essentials and even those people who claim Sky is too expensive spend lots of money on non essential items.
It is not that expensive for most people and is certainly no more worse value for money than paying money to attend a match, yet nobody has an issue paying an admission fee.
RTE costs €160 per annum and nobody has a problem with paying this fee in order to see matches on RTE.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 11/09/2016 01:32:10
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http://historyhub.ie/sports-rights-commercialization-revisited-sky-and-the-gaa
This article references the Dr Paul Rouse report. Raise some very interesting points.
I found the quotes from past GAA presidents was very interesting. The Pauric Duffy quote was actually quite staggering really given the u-turn that was then pulled.
Is it any wonder that the membership has little trust in the hierarchy.
Compare O'Fearghaill's comments this week to those of Jack Boothman and I can understand why they're being met with such anger.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 11/09/2016 08:25:00
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "As we all know people spend lots of money on things that are non essentials and even those people who claim Sky is too expensive spend lots of money on non essential items.
It is not that expensive for most people and is certainly no more worse value for money than paying money to attend a match, yet nobody has an issue paying an admission fee.
RTE costs €160 per annum and nobody has a problem with paying this fee in order to see matches on RTE." What do you pay a month for sky?
There are lots of people who cant afford to spend money on non essential items and you know that. Look outside your own bubble.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 11/09/2016 09:39:25
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Replying To gotmilk: "What do you pay a month for sky?
There are lots of people who cant afford to spend money on non essential items and you know that. Look outside your own bubble." Most people can afford non essential items and the GAA is not an organisation that is obliged to provide free entertainment for the country.
You can get sky with sky sports for €40 a month, about €1.33 per day.
A lot of the people who complain about this would spend just as much money on other non essentials, drink,dinners out junk food etc yet for some reason paying for GAA for these people apparently isn't worth it.
again I point out, the GAA are not obliged to provide anyone with free entertainment yet some people think they should.It's a very strange world where people have no problem accepting they have to pay for a DVD's,internet,books, cinema and numerous other forms of entertainment yet sport is something they shouldn't have to pay for.It's bizarre frankly.
I have sympathy for anyone who genuinely can't afford it but lots of people complaining can well afford to pay for sky they just think they shouldn't have to which is a ridiculous level of entitlement.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 11/09/2016 10:37:24
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As we all know people spend lots of money on things that are non essentials and even those people who claim Sky is too expensive spend lots of money on non essential items.
It is not that expensive for most people and is certainly no more worse value for money than paying money to attend a match, yet nobody has an issue paying an admission fee.
RTE costs €160 per annum and nobody has a problem with paying this fee in order to see matches on RTE.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts:968 - 11/09/2016 01:32:10
You have to pay the €160 TV Licence to own a television. If you don't you may be prosecuted. Sky Sports is an extra cost added onto that already mandatory fee. The €160 isn't solely to watch RTÉ. You must pay it if you want to then subscribe to Sky. To compare the two is disingenuous.
Again comparing Sky to admission fees is disingenuous. People who don't like the idea of having the Championships behind a paywall already go to matches and incur the expense that that entails. Giving the rights to Sky Sports means that the GAA have added an extra expense to these people if they decide not to or cannot travel.
As I said earlier some people can well afford the extra expense while others, genuinely, cannot really justify it. You are right when you say that people spend money on non essentials. The GAA are now making watching some of their Championship games on TV be part of people's non essential discretionary spending. Before when the rights were between RTÉ and TV3 watching the Championship fell under most people's essential spending, as most people would see their TV Licence and basic TV package as an essential bill. Putting some games behind a paywall freezes a lot of people out of watching the games and ultimately means that less people will watch those games. For me the GAA needed to get a much better deal than they did to justify locking people out of watching the games.
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Replying To MesAmis: "As we all know people spend lots of money on things that are non essentials and even those people who claim Sky is too expensive spend lots of money on non essential items.
It is not that expensive for most people and is certainly no more worse value for money than paying money to attend a match, yet nobody has an issue paying an admission fee.
RTE costs €160 per annum and nobody has a problem with paying this fee in order to see matches on RTE.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts:968 - 11/09/2016 01:32:10
You have to pay the €160 TV Licence to own a television. If you don't you may be prosecuted. Sky Sports is an extra cost added onto that already mandatory fee. The €160 isn't solely to watch RTÉ. You must pay it if you want to then subscribe to Sky. To compare the two is disingenuous.
Again comparing Sky to admission fees is disingenuous. People who don't like the idea of having the Championships behind a paywall already go to matches and incur the expense that that entails. Giving the rights to Sky Sports means that the GAA have added an extra expense to these people if they decide not to or cannot travel.
As I said earlier some people can well afford the extra expense while others, genuinely, cannot really justify it. You are right when you say that people spend money on non essentials. The GAA are now making watching some of their Championship games on TV be part of people's non essential discretionary spending. Before when the rights were between RTÉ and TV3 watching the Championship fell under most people's essential spending, as most people would see their TV Licence and basic TV package as an essential bill. Putting some games behind a paywall freezes a lot of people out of watching the games and ultimately means that less people will watch those games. For me the GAA needed to get a much better deal than they did to justify locking people out of watching the games." RTE freezes a lot of people out of viewing their county playing in the championship because they don't cover all of the games. Try being from Louth. Sky's coverage of our games is first class . I cannot say the same for RTE's coverage in my own view.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 11/09/2016 11:46:06
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Replying To MesAmis: "As we all know people spend lots of money on things that are non essentials and even those people who claim Sky is too expensive spend lots of money on non essential items.
It is not that expensive for most people and is certainly no more worse value for money than paying money to attend a match, yet nobody has an issue paying an admission fee.
RTE costs €160 per annum and nobody has a problem with paying this fee in order to see matches on RTE.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts:968 - 11/09/2016 01:32:10
You have to pay the €160 TV Licence to own a television. If you don't you may be prosecuted. Sky Sports is an extra cost added onto that already mandatory fee. The €160 isn't solely to watch RTÉ. You must pay it if you want to then subscribe to Sky. To compare the two is disingenuous.
Again comparing Sky to admission fees is disingenuous. People who don't like the idea of having the Championships behind a paywall already go to matches and incur the expense that that entails. Giving the rights to Sky Sports means that the GAA have added an extra expense to these people if they decide not to or cannot travel.
As I said earlier some people can well afford the extra expense while others, genuinely, cannot really justify it. You are right when you say that people spend money on non essentials. The GAA are now making watching some of their Championship games on TV be part of people's non essential discretionary spending. Before when the rights were between RTÉ and TV3 watching the Championship fell under most people's essential spending, as most people would see their TV Licence and basic TV package as an essential bill. Putting some games behind a paywall freezes a lot of people out of watching the games and ultimately means that less people will watch those games. For me the GAA needed to get a much better deal than they did to justify locking people out of watching the games." They have only stopped some people watching a very small percentage of games, not the entire championship.
You can't get a great deal straight away you have to take the long view and if it proves successful you can charge Sky or Setanta and anyone who wants to buy the rights more money for them.
League matches were on Setanta for years and no one whinged the truth is that because Sky is seen as a British company people have much more of a problem with it.
It is not good for any sport to restrict itself when it comes to selling broadcast rights they should be able to use the threat of competition to jack up the price they get from any firm that wants to buy the broadcast rights and that's what being able to sell the rights to Sky does.
RTE in my opinion dont do a good job broadcasting the games so why should the GAA have to accept substandard performance from their broadcaster and not have the option to cutting them out if they don't up there game.
Everything in life costs money these days and watching GAA is no different and shouldn't be the exception to the rule.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 11/09/2016 13:03:48
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "They have only stopped some people watching a very small percentage of games, not the entire championship.
You can't get a great deal straight away you have to take the long view and if it proves successful you can charge Sky or Setanta and anyone who wants to buy the rights more money for them.
League matches were on Setanta for years and no one whinged the truth is that because Sky is seen as a British company people have much more of a problem with it.
It is not good for any sport to restrict itself when it comes to selling broadcast rights they should be able to use the threat of competition to jack up the price they get from any firm that wants to buy the broadcast rights and that's what being able to sell the rights to Sky does.
RTE in my opinion dont do a good job broadcasting the games so why should the GAA have to accept substandard performance from their broadcaster and not have the option to cutting them out if they don't up there game.
Everything in life costs money these days and watching GAA is no different and shouldn't be the exception to the rule." If everything in life costs money why does the gaa take everything for granted from its volunteers?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 11/09/2016 13:28:20
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Complete bull.
They charge an admission fee to go to games why is this any different.
You are anybody else has no entitlement to watch any form of entertainment for free.I have to pay for any film I watch or any book I read why should sport be any different,
Congress voted in favour of letting the rights be sold to whoever the GAA want to so the ordinary man has spoken and allowed the GAA to sell the rights to Sky if they want.
This is just more whinging from people who think they are entitled to everything and don't want to pay for anything.A lot of people complaining about this deal are the same people who complain about the GAA not distributing enough money and clubs being short of funds which is quite ironic because the more money the GAA can get from TV rights the more money it can distribute to clubs." Well said. Its a entitlement culture that has crept into Ireland and those of certain age, the I want it cause I'm entitled, no your bloody well not, I grew up in 70s and 80s where if you wanted something you worked you arse off to get it, for very little money, Jesus when I was 14 I was pitching square bales for £5 , and guess what I wanted to see the Munster final then too but we listened on radio and watched sg that night with enda colleran .
I wasn't looking for it for free cause I'm entitled to it in my selfish opinion. If i wanted it live id drive to thurles or wherever. I pay for sky and while it could be improved, the positivity it invokes is a lot better than the , its all about me brigade on rte. I pay for it and if others want it then pay for it too, if you cant afford it? Well sometimes in life things aren't fair. No onehas a god given right to be entitled to anything.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 11/09/2016 14:34:46
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