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Please enlighten me as to how often you have had to get by on benefits? You have a family with three kids? Do you have to walk into an office and have people judge you and criticise you for not working? It's easy to preach from the outside looking in.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 30/10/2016 16:53:46 1930201 Link 1 |
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Why should being unemployed be serious hardship? Look at Germany where you survive off a years wages for the first year after you get made redundant or find yourself unemployed. Being unemployed is not the dirty thing some posters here are trying to make it out to be.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 30/10/2016 16:54:54 1930202 Link 1 |
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I live in Dublin. Play football in your beautiful county actually. It was going to cost me in the region of 55-60 quid to renew. 25-30 or so was the sports. That is a lot of money to be spending a year. I'm fortunate I can afford it, but I thought it was just not good value. There really is so much shite on tv. It's not the case that you're paying only for GAA. You're paying for all the other crap that they put on. It's not worth it. The whole tv industry and their "exclusive content" pisses me right off. It pisses me off that my sport is in bed with those guys. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 30/10/2016 16:59:04 1930204 Link 1 |
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It has become a career for many processional social spongers, everything for free. And never pay tax will only do a nixer if its cash in hand, there is no one worse than those bleeding heart yellow liver lefties.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/10/2016 17:43:25 1930220 Link 0 |
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You do know that 2% of the population pays 85% of the taxes taken in? But sure make them pay more and drive the educated hard working people out of the country and lets see who pays for the welfare budget, which is only second to health in expenditure in this country. People can find themselves unemployed through no fail of their own and they must be protected, but its the career unemployed that get to me. Make all unemployed people over 12 months do community work to be eligible to continue getting benefits, the genuine ones would be delighted to get out of house, the fraudsters would run a mile from it, cutting the money which could be redirected to help those people in real need, not the spongers. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/10/2016 17:52:48 1930223 Link 0 |
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So tell me how much apple paid in tax to the state? You know those people who can afford to pay it and have their head offices based in Ireland to avail of lower tax. You know that company that had an income of over 50 billion last year, how much did they pay the state? I'm sure they are paying their fair share like all the other large corporations. How much is Bono paying in taxes? The rich tend to get out of paying taxes, look at the pannama papers for christs sake. Then tell me how much the average joe has to pay in taxes and other charges? We're all in it together!!! Look at the duke of westminsters son who didn't pay a penny in inheritance tax. You inherit 5000 quid and watch them take a chunk out of it. Where are these career unemployed? There are people who take advantage of the system but it is not a gravy train. If it was why is everyone not doing it? Why are people like yourself and myself working 40 hour weeks if benefits was this great system? gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 30/10/2016 20:16:23 1930272 Link 0 |
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Sorry RD but I can not respond to your posts. On numerous occassions on this thread I have tried to debate this topic with you but the admins seem to think that my rebuttals are against their rules, even though i haven't tarred numerous people with a brush like you have.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 30/10/2016 22:40:55 1930313 Link 0 |
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the argument has been made against those not seeking employment..nothing to do with people who are actively trying..there is countless evidence of this which you are ignoring on purpose
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 31/10/2016 02:20:21 1930332 Link 0 |
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What evidence? I have admitted that there are people out there who wont ever work a day in their life but they aren't living a life of luxury. I have also tried to point out flaws with the collection of taxes in both the UK and ROI when it comes to collecting taxes from the rich but the admins wouldn't allow me to post it. The problems in this country are not from those on benefits, it's those that don't pay their fair share.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 31/10/2016 11:08:26 1930364 Link 0 |
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of me talking about people not seeking employment...you are ignoring this and attacking me about everyone who is unemployed including those seeking employment..why are you doing that?....i have never said they were living a life of luxury..but they are not enduring serious hardship either...you keep trying to put words in my mouth......its a combination of the 2...gotmilk do you even live in this country?..so how do you think you are in a position to tell me about what i encounter in my own community?...there is a major issue in communities with people who do not want to work and are paid far more money than they deserve while hard working people are treated poorly...but sure ignore this to suit a left wing agenda
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 31/10/2016 16:42:19 1930438 Link 1 |
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why have you attacked me for things i havent said...all i have referred to is those unemployed who are not seeking employment on purpose..so stop changing the argument and putting words in my mouth
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 31/10/2016 16:49:49 1930439 Link 0 |
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if you are not seeking employment you deserve to be criticized
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 31/10/2016 16:51:04 1930440 Link 0 |
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100% wrong as I said 2% pay 80%+ of the taxes in this country, its a nonsense line put out by nonsensical populist politicians (from certain parties) that everything can be solved trough taxing the rich. I pay 45c on the euro for my wage, is that fair? I have mortgage, the aforementioned sky, and take one holiday every 2 years as my kids dont get grants for schools college, no medical card so its 60 to see a doctor and god forbid if you need something more. While those professional unemployed, have free medical care, rent allowance, dole, fuel allowance etc. I have no problem with those genuine people, however the vast majority of the longer time unemployed are just taking the mick out of people like me and Alano.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 31/10/2016 20:28:24 1930498 Link 0 |
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Here here.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 31/10/2016 20:30:12 1930501 Link 0 |
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Where have I attacked you? At what point did I say that those who are unemployed and are not seeking employment on purpose are ok? I think you will find that I did criticise them and admit that there is a problem there but I did say it is nothing in comparison to what is actually happening in this country? I think you will find it is you who is putting words in peoples mouths. Do you think that Northern Ireland is a different entity entirely to the republic and that we don't have the same problems you have in the Republic? If anything the free loader mentality should be worse in the North due to the NHS etc. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 31/10/2016 23:44:48 1930535 Link 0 |
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I tried to show you where the real issue lies when it comes to taxation but the admins did not let me post it. The rich are not paying their way. Take for example the duke of westminsters son. He should have paid billions in inheritance tax but due to a loophole he didn't have to pay a penny. Now what he did not pay in inheritance tax could have covered the budget for jobseekers allowance in the uk government. Do you really think he is the only one not paying this? Take a look at apple. They had an income of over 50 billion yet how much did they pay in taxes? gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 31/10/2016 23:56:35 1930538 Link 1 |
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I agree but you can not criticise someone because they are unemployed. Can i get your opinions on this one. Say a single mother of two kids, should she be made go out to work to hand over a considerable percentage of her wage to a child minder. Rush her kids out the door at 7 in the morning so she can make it to work for 9 and then pick them up at 6 that evening. Get home and make dinner for them from scratch and try to do homeworks with them just so she can put them up out of bed again at 6/6:30 after getting to spend 30 minutes with them. Would you begrudge that woman living of benefits if it meant her kids were brought up in a happy environment where they are in a loving house, where they aren't going to a strangers home after school for three hours after being rushed out the door on a cold winter morning when it's still dark? gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 01/11/2016 00:01:34 1930540 Link 1 |
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thats a very specific scenario gotmilk...those who are deliberately not seeking employment who are getting by on cash in hand jobs while also claiming every benefit under the sun do deserve to be criticized yes
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 01/11/2016 22:24:37 1930794 Link 0 |
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Yes those people do deserve to be criticised. I'm not going to argue with you on that one. The scenario I have mentioned isn't that unrealistic of a scenario in this day and age. Would you begrudge them benefits? When you just look at the figures you don't see the person behind hat figure. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 01/11/2016 22:57:08 1930805 Link 0 |
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